Womanhood and injustices against women #2

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The horrifying part of the case for me is the fact that this was a normal community, not some strange sect. If it happened there it could happen anywhere. Yes, some cultural attitudes and religions seem to give men a higher standing in society but this kind of crime is outside all rules so anything goes as far as those men were concerned regardless of how they behave in normal life. When news reports say things like 'the men came from all walks of like such as a journalist, a baker and a banker' but that's the whole point - it is many men.
 
Phil Anne Throw Pee said:
I don't care whether they're black, white, Muslim or atheist, they are disgusting pieces of tit and unfortunately, they are not a minority. A LOT of men would do the same if they thought they'd get away with it. & one of them had the gall to say that it wasn't rape because he only penetrated her with his fingers. Absolutely bleeping disgusting.
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Exactly. The racist bile on this thread can get to duck. This is about men, not race.
 
WeTalkAboutBruno said:
Exactly. The racist bile on this thread can get to duck. This is about men, not race.
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Pointing out that the representation of Muslim men in this case is disproportionately high is NOT racist. It's crucial to examine all aspects. In the Rotherham grooming scandal, both the public and authorities hesitated to act on the abuse because they feared being labelled as racist. The scandal involved the sexual exploitation and abuse of over 1,400 children, primarily by men of Pakistani origin. This reluctance to address the issue due to concerns over racial perceptions played a significant role in the failure to protect vulnerable children. When patterns are identified, it is important to address them.
 
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franmargio said:
Pointing out that the representation of Muslim men in this case is disproportionately high is NOT racist. It's crucial to examine all aspects. In the Rotherham grooming scandal, both the public and authorities hesitated to act on the abuse because they feared being labelled as racist. The scandal involved the sexual exploitation and abuse of over 1,400 children, primarily by men of Pakistani origin. This reluctance to address the issue due to concerns over racial perceptions played a significant role in the failure to protect vulnerable children. When patterns are identified, it is important to address them without fear of racial bias.
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I don't think your racist fwiw but the common denominator with rape is men. Society still has a major issue with male entitlement especially around women and while it may be more overt with certain cultures, it's not unique to them.
 
Eureka said:
I don't think your racist fwiw but the common denominator with rape is men. Society still has a major issue with male entitlement especially around women and while it may be more overt with certain cultures, it's not unique to them.
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Well, that’s good to know — phew! I’m genuinely curious, though — what exactly are you referring to as the "racist bile on this thread"?
 
franmargio said:
Pointing out that the representation of Muslim men in this case is disproportionately high is NOT racist. It's crucial to examine all aspects. In the Rotherham grooming scandal, both the public and authorities hesitated to act on the abuse because they feared being labelled as racist. The scandal involved the sexual exploitation and abuse of over 1,400 children, primarily by men of Pakistani origin. This reluctance to address the issue due to concerns over racial perceptions played a significant role in the failure to protect vulnerable children. When patterns are identified, it is important to address them.
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I don't think anyone is afraid of pointing out any patterns but I sincerely don't see how singling out Arabs or Muslim men in this situation is helpful. When crimes happen, there's a compulsion to get to the root of why to avoid it happening again. That's understandable. But the reality is, a non Muslim, non Arab man is the one who gave all these other men access to his wife.

He had to disrespect and degrade her first for this to ever happen.

No matter how many or little rights we women have, we all share more or less the same fear of being harmed by men.
 
franmargio said:
Pointing out that the representation of Muslim men in this case is disproportionately high is NOT racist. It's crucial to examine all aspects. In the Rotherham grooming scandal, both the public and authorities hesitated to act on the abuse because they feared being labelled as racist. The scandal involved the sexual exploitation and abuse of over 1,400 children, primarily by men of Pakistani origin. This reluctance to address the issue due to concerns over racial perceptions played a significant role in the failure to protect vulnerable children. When patterns are identified, it is important to address them.
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There is literally no need to point out race in this case. People like you are just trying to push your own bigotry and it takes away from the main issue that the main perpetrators of these crimes is nearly always men. I repeat, this case has nothing to do with race.
 
WeTalkAboutBruno said:
There is literally no need to point out race in this case. People like you are just trying to push your own bigotry and it takes away from the main issue that the main perpetrators of these crimes is nearly always men. I repeat, this case has nothing to do with race.
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I thought it was fairly obvious that the vast majority of perpetrators of rape and sexual assault are men. While I don’t have the exact statistics, it’s likely well over 90%. I realise I may have used the wrong term by calling it a 'pattern,' but when 35% of the perpetrators in this case have Muslim names, it’s worth acknowledging. Highlighting a factual statistic is not the same as pushing an agenda. Labelling people as 'racist' or 'bigot' for pointing out these facts doesn’t help. I’ve already made it clear that I’m not driven by an agenda — I’m just addressing the numbers.
 
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Blueblue123 said:
And Dominique was able to do this because he only got fined €100 for upskirting without Gisele knowing and wasn't given a stronger punishment.

If we really want to protect women we need to properly deal with the "less serious" offences which almost always escalate into worse behaviour.
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’upskirting’ is now a specific offence under the Sexual offences act now thankfully as it didn’t really fit the points to prove of existing offences before.
 
franmargio said:
Pointing out that the representation of Muslim men in this case is disproportionately high is NOT racist. It's crucial to examine all aspects. In the Rotherham grooming scandal, both the public and authorities hesitated to act on the abuse because they feared being labelled as racist. The scandal involved the sexual exploitation and abuse of over 1,400 children, primarily by men of Pakistani origin. This reluctance to address the issue due to concerns over racial perceptions played a significant role in the failure to protect vulnerable children. When patterns are identified, it is important to address them.
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Are you this concerned about the hundreds / thousands of white men who are abusers and rapists?

65% of the men in the pelicot case are white - Dominique Pelicot was an old, married white man and he orchestrated the whole thing. it’s literally nothing to do with the Rotherham groomers!

Just admit that that the number of Muslim sounding names on the list gave you an excuse to be racist.
 
Erling Haaland said:
Are you this concerned about the hundreds / thousands of white men who are abusers and rapists?

65% of the men in the pelicot case are white - Dominique Pelicot was an old, married white man and he orchestrated the whole thing. it’s literally nothing to do with the Rotherham groomers!

Just admit that that the number of Muslim sounding names on the list gave you an excuse to be racist.
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This is really quite simple. There were 51 men convicted, and I copied and pasted their names into ChatGPT to check how many of them were Muslim or Arab names. The result came back with 18 names. After that, I looked up the percentage of Muslim males in the population of France just to get a rough idea of proportionality. From there, I pointed out that 18 out of 51 is a relatively high percentage. If you exclude the husband from the count, it’s still 18 out of 50.

I mentioned Rotherham to illustrate that when you bring up these patterns, especially when there is a disproportionate representation from a particular group, people quickly throw around terms like “racist,” which doesn't help the conversation. Just because someone points out that a certain group is overrepresented, whether it’s Muslims, Christians, or any other group, doesn’t automatically mean it’s a racist comment.

The simple fact is that 35% of the perpetrators in this case had Muslim-sounding names. These are the numbers, and numbers themselves aren’t racist – they’re just numbers. It’s about understanding what those numbers represent and having a constructive conversation around them. OH AND I AM CONCERNED ABOUT ALL RAPISTS EVEN IF THEY ARE WHITE, BLACK OR BLOODY BLUE !
 
Veronicaaa said:
But what’s the constructive conversation to be had? That Muslim men are inherently more rapey than non-Muslim men?
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No, the focus should be on understanding the broader societal factors at play in sexual assault and rape, and how certain male individuals or groups might be more vulnerable to engaging in harmful behaviours towards women. It could be that men who grew up in cultures where women are less respected in society may be more likely to engage in such actions. These behaviours may stem from societal factors rather than religion or race.

There is no denying that women are marginalised in many Muslim-majority countries, such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Afghanistan, where their human rights are severely restricted purely because they are women.
 
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