Strictly Come Dancing 2024 #10

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girlinbrum said:
Why is Gio referred to FR here?

The other pros and celebs need to zip their defence of Graz now.
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FR stands for fanny rat
he seemed to favour routines where his head at some point is between a woman's thighs .

Other pro's rushing to Graz defense in part because many others display traits,
how many times in VT or interviews have we heard 'No lunch, you're not allowed food untill you do the step correctly so you go again' or ' if I catch you trying to rest once more then we stay for 12 hours'
or 'stop complaining of pain, such a baby ok your in pain but get up come on' ...... It's a culture .
 
Bullies know which victims to pick on. James J was partnered with Vanessa Feltz. He would not bully her. She would take him down immediately. If he got someone unknown or young, you can bet he tried to impose his strong personality on them. Same with the others. Brendan got short shrift from Claire King and Lulu (I can’t stand the latter) but they the type of personalities and long careers that could tell him to shut the duck up. Graz could manipulate Zara - she seemed diffident around him. This was her first foray into a mainstream high profile role not a seasoned pro. He knew he could get away with it. Richie was also very eager to please Gio, embarrassingly so. I am not keen on him but I feel sad that his SCD experience was ruined.
 
MeghanSnarkle said:
FR stands for fanny rat
he seemed to favour routines where his head at some point is between a woman's thighs .

Other pro's rushing to Graz defense in part because many others display traits,
how many times in VT or interviews have we heard 'No lunch, you're not allowed food untill you do the step correctly so you go again' or ' if I catch you trying to rest once more then we stay for 12 hours'
or 'stop complaining of pain, such a baby ok your in pain but get up come on' ...... It's a culture .
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Yes, and last year if I remember correctly, Shirley, in particular was approving of those who mentioned long hours, like Layton and Nikita for example. I think Nigel and Katya committed the terrible sin of mentioning that Nigel went home at reasonable hours. Not that they could get anything right as far as Shirley was concerned anyway.

But it all feeds into a particular narrative. The celebrities are not going to turn into professional dancers over the course of the programme. And as has been said here previously, just because you can dance, doesn't necessarily mean you can teach dancing. If you're getting to a point where you're having anger management issues, it's past time to get out.
 
soccergirl said:
The Times also has a story that has 'a source close to Graziano Di Prima' who said that the Italian dancer accepted that he may have crossed a line with his celebrity partner Zara McDermott.

'His “training methods might have been too passionate” the source said, adding: “But these are professionals who are driven to win. So training can be tough.”

Pretty much word for word what Gio said: 'I am passionate and competitive. No-one is more ambitious for my dance partners than me. I have always striven to help them be the very best dancers they can be. This has always come from a place of love and wanting to win - for me and my dance partners.'

I hate this 'passionate' bollocks - such a bleeping cliché.
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I completely agree using the word passionate to deflect from your crappy behaviour is just really offensive. And I hope more comes put about Gio's behaviour, I've always thought he was a head.

Also with Graziano playing the MH card now, I can't wait for the be kind brigade to pop up
 
Mark81 said:
See, I'm less sure on that. James is a love him or hate him type of guy. But, he speaks his mind and you know what you're getting. There's no hiding. A key thing here (and is often the case) is the abusers hide behind a carefully curated nice guy image. All the time.

James is a grumpy and arrogant man, and I'm sure he could be rude. But that's different to abuse. Same with Brendon.

Maybe stuff will come out about him, but I think it's the permanent nice guys you need to watch more.
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I tend to agree with this on James and Brendan - there is no doubt that they were absolute dicks at times, but they were incapable of hiding what rude arseholes they were. If it was in their head it came out of their mouths, and generally in front of anyone within earshot.

The Graziano thing is genuinely frightening to me: that someone could cultivate such a convincing ‘puppy dog’ public persona in front of millions of people, yet be so abusive behind closed doors that others find the footage distressing to watch, followed by repeated insistences that none of this is his responsibility and other people are culpable for not stopping him from being abusive. It’s chilling, and it’s men like him that make me terrified for my daughters’ future experiences in the world.
 
Auga said:
Which pros have defended him? I read that Katya had liked Graz's post but haven't heard of any others.
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Yeah there's been total silence from them all bar Katya's like. I'm sure they're all reviewing their training methods now. What I can't understand is if he was given a warning, even if things hadn't escalated then, why he didn't step back, or the show step in. This would have been while the Amanda/Gio stuff was flaring up too.

I just don't think we can draw any conclusions about any of the pros now. Graz was the last person I'd expect this of (except maybe Johannes or Jowita).
 
soccergirl said:
Yeah there's been total silence from them all bar Katya's like. I'm sure they're all reviewing their training methods now.

I just don't think we can draw any conclusions about any of the pros now. Graz was the last person I'd expect this of (except maybe Johannes or Jowita).
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Yes, agree. It sort of hits you that, actually, we don't know these people at all. What we view on strictly, and Instagram too, is curated. We can love watching Vito or Nikita or whoever...but we have no idea what they're truly like.

The hero worship of Graz and vilifying of Zara even after he bleeping admitted wrongdoing has been sickening to see.
 
ChastityDingle said:
Yes, and last year if I remember correctly, Shirley, in particular was approving of those who mentioned long hours, like Layton and Nikita for example. I think Nigel and Katya committed the terrible sin of mentioning that Nigel went home at reasonable hours. Not that they could get anything right as far as Shirley was concerned anyway.

But it all feeds into a particular narrative. The celebrities are not going to turn into professional dancers over the course of the programme. And as has been said here previously, just because you can dance, doesn't necessarily mean you can teach dancing. If you're getting to a point where you're having anger management issues, it's past time to get out.
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It makes you think that behind the glitz of getting the biggest show in Saturday night entertainment onto our screens is going to be the messy reality .....

A group of competetive, highly temperamental, strong willed, driven at all cost professional dancers who each come with their own egos and unchecked teaching methods many themselves taught as kids in strict Russian, Spanish, Italian etc dance schools by dance mistresses like Shirley Ballas who drive them hard and then they continue the cycle

I don't know but to me from snippets you see you could tell it's a ticking time bomb but the show must go on and all that so a blind eye gets turned .

The show is king so do whatever it takes kind of culture .
 
soccergirl said:
Yeah there's been total silence from them all bar Katya's like. I'm sure they're all reviewing their training methods now. What I can't understand is if he was given a warning, even if things hadn't escalated then, why he didn't step back, or the show step in. This would have been while the Amanda/Gio stuff was flaring up too.

I just don't think we can draw any conclusions about any of the pros now. Graz was the last person I'd expect this of (except maybe Johannes or Jowita).
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Katya actually unliked the post on Sunday
 
MeghanSnarkle said:
It makes you think that behind the glitz of getting the biggest show in Saturday night entertainment onto our screens is going to be the messy reality .....

A group of competetive, highly temperamental, strong willed, driven at all cost professional dancers who each come with their own egos and unchecked teaching methods many themselves taught as kids in strict Russian, Spanish, Italian etc dance schools by dance mistresses like Shirley Ballas who drive them hard and then they continue the cycle

I don't know but to me from snippets you see you could tell it's a ticking time bomb but the show must go on and all that so a blind eye gets turned .

The show is king so do whatever it takes kind of culture .
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Plus, they all come from different countries with different cultural norms. I can see the machismo culture of the Italian guys would be different from say Kai’s background, or Kevin’s or someone from East Europe. They all have dance in common but vastly different backgrounds. The BBC urgently needs to introduce an induction for its employee on this show. Their dance world is different to a world where people are used to professionalism, respect and codes of conduct.

As an aside, I have always found the way James talks about Ola very disrespectful. He was punching with her but seemed to like keeping her in her place.
 
jackolantern said:
I agree that James is what you see is what you get - BUT I also think what you saw was abusive. Speaking to people the way he did and saying he doesn't care if they train till their feet bleed etc, you wouldn't class that as abusive?
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Not necessarily, that is how dancers and athletes train. It's the reality of the world they are in. To be the best at a sport you need to put your body through a lot. Its probably why sports people were less fazed by it.

Should he adapted his approach, probably (depending on the partner). But I would say the producers and BBC have a responsibility to set out what to expect to contestants and dancers (who are also new to teaching). Being a pro at something, doesn't mean you can teach it
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Adding to the 'watch the nice guy', look at Anton and his racist comments. He is another with a nice guy curated image.

Kevin Clifton always seemed very fake to me too, for that reason. Too focused on being nice rather than real
 
House of Tea said:
Plus, they all come from different countries with different cultural norms. I can see the machismo culture of the Italian guys would be different from say Kai’s background, or Kevin’s or someone from East Europe. They all have dance in common but vastly different backgrounds. The BBC urgently needs to introduce an induction for its employee on this show. Their dance world is different to a world where people are used to professionalism, respect and codes of conduct.

As an aside, I have always found the way James talks about Ola very disrespectful. He was punching with her but seemed to like keeping her in her place.
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So 2 removed from SCD, and 3 from DWTS in Ireland, and all hail from Italy....just saying.
 
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