Strictly Come Dancing 2024 #10

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Mark81 said:
Not necessarily, that is how dancers and athletes train. It's the reality of the world they are in. To be the best at a sport you need to put your body through a lot. Its probably why sports people were less fazed by it.

Should he adapted his approach, probably (depending on the partner). But I would say the producers and BBC have a responsibility to set out what to expect to contestants and dancers (who are also new to teaching). Being a pro at something, doesn't mean you can teach it
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Adding to the 'watch the nice guy', look at Anton and his racist comments. He is another with a nice guy curated image.

Kevin Clifton always seemed very fake to me too, for that reason. Too focused on being nice rather than real
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Maybe it depends on who you are and what you are willing to take then because I would have told him to go and duck himself and would have quit after a day :ROFLMAO:
 
Shirley has been very vocal that she has been bullied by the industry but very in support of Gio. Gio would not be rude to her, it would not be in his best interests. She has clout in the dance world. Her experience of Gio is not the one other people will get. It is akin to a CEO not getting the same vibes from a known bully in their organisation. Bullies absolutely know who they can target.

Graz does not have anger management issues - he is a bully who picked on someone he sees as weaker than him. Kyle Marsh would eat him for breakfast, no way he would take her on.
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Flowergirl14 said:
So 2 removed from SCD, and 3 from DWTS in Ireland, and all hail from Italy....just saying.
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Yep, there is a cultural issue here. Machismo at play. Is Vito Italian? I bet his training is being looked at closely. Except he is new and may have not got his feet under the table properly to have acted overbearingly, but might have ramped up the ego for the coming season because he won it.
 
jackolantern said:
Maybe it depends on who you are and what you are willing to take then because I would have told him to go and duck himself and would have quit after a day :ROFLMAO:
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True. But again that falls into producers setting limits, james maybe not being a good teacher and unable adjust his approach, celebrities not fully committing, etc

When I've learned sports, I've had to be really into it to put up with all the awfulness of training and learning. Otherwise I'm like 'duck that' 🤣
 
One thing that came up in that Sun article: Graziano was not the only dancer who was spoken to about his behaviour. Do we think ‘others’ is solely the Gio situation, that all pros have been given a general/cautionary talking to (to a greater or less specific degree: e.g. telling Karen to stop hissing), or that there is more to come out (either related to Gio/Graz, or new stuff about someone else)?
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Flowergirl14 said:
So 2 removed from SCD, and 3 from DWTS in Ireland, and all hail from Italy....just saying.
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What’s happened on DWTS Ireland?! I’ve missed all of that! 😱
 
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ButtonDownTheHutches said:
The Graziano thing is genuinely frightening to me: that someone could cultivate such a convincing ‘puppy dog’ public persona in front of millions of people, yet be so abusive behind closed doors that others find the footage distressing to watch, followed by repeated insistences that none of this is his responsibility and other people are culpable for not stopping him from being abusive. It’s chilling
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I agree and I think thats why I find it so shocking.

I fully accept that we only 'know' them insofar as whatever they present as, onscreen.
But I was very much taken in by him. Genuinely thought he was a nice gentle guy. Thought him the ideal replacement for JoJo as Annabel's partner for the tour, for example. Thought she couldn't be in better hands, in the absence of JoJo.

I imagine he didn't show his dark side to Annabel. It's totally chilling that he could apparently switch that act on and off at will. I remember Zara crying one night, I think it was after surviving the dance off. I'm almost wondering now was she crying with happiness, which she said she was. Or not. I'm probably overthinking that though.
 
House of Tea said:
Yep, there is a cultural issue here. Machismo at play. Is Vito Italian? I bet his training is being looked at closely. Except he is new and may have not got his feet under the table properly to have acted overbearingly, but might have ramped up the ego for the coming season because he won it.
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I'm a bit uncomfortable about the cultural stereotypes: Nikita is culturally Italian too, and Luba having trained there, btw. Machismo is also heavily part of Spanish/Latin culture too, so that involves Gorka.

James and Brendan were massive twats without being Italian. Lovely Brit Kai pushed AJ incredibly hard. Russian training is supposed to be the most militaristic, yet Pasha was (apparently) a massive softie.
 
ChastityDingle said:
I agree and I think thats why I find it so shocking.

I fully accept that we only 'know' them insofar as whatever they present as, onscreen.
But I was very much taken in by him. Genuinely thought he was a nice gentle guy. Thought him the ideal replacement for JoJo as Annabel's partner for the tour, for example. Thought she couldn't be in better hands, in the absence of JoJo.

I imagine he didn't show his dark side to Annabel. It's totally chilling that he could apparently switch that act on and off at will. I remember Zara crying one night, I think it was after surviving the dance off. I'm almost wondering now was she crying with happiness, which she said she was. Or not. I'm probably overthinking that though.
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Yep, I third this. I'm still mostly shook about it being Graz above anything else. I even remember thinking it's a pity he wasn't paired with Amanda as she'd have likely had a much nicer experience!!!

And I hate it, but it honestly does make me side-eye one or two others now, which like I say, I do hate but can't really help.
 
soccergirl said:
She is a 7-year-old with a serious illness. Her mum runs an insta account for her called grazslittleprincess. She’s met Graz and Giada loads of times and the other pros too, goes to lots of the shows.
I feel sorry for the child who now has to hear that her fave did something bad, but it did seem a bit much. These celebrity fans are a bit weird. I remember her mum allowing her to go to a show with one of the other fans (a 19-year/old-boy). I’m sure it was all above board but it showed that maybe once you get involved in that kind of fan circle things get a bit skewed.
It can also put pressure on the pros, having these invested super fans, as we’ve said before.
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This is beyond wierd. The account is most certainly attention for the mum.
 
Woolmercardington said:
Yep, I third this. I'm still mostly shook about it being Graz above anything else. I even remember thinking it's a pity he wasn't paired with Amanda as she'd have likely had a much nicer experience!!!

And I hate it, but it honestly does make me side-eye one or two others now, which like I say, I do hate but can't really help.
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Yep. Let’s be honest, no one was remotely surprised when it was discovered that Amanda had a crappy time with Gio, because most people didn’t think he was genuinely ‘a lovely guy’ - the veneer was very thin where he was concerned.

But Graziano? And it apparently being so much nastier than what has been alleged so far with Amanda & Giovanni? I’m genuinely disturbed by it.
 
Have to admit this has tainted Strictly for me, I will still watch it but I’m not sure about the tours. I did work in the dance world (not as a dancer), many years ago, so I know how tough it is but I thought times would change and what is experienced by the dancers shouldn’t be put on celebs of a Saturday night light entertainment show. The culture of the show needs a big shakeup.
 
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soccergirl said:
I'm a bit uncomfortable about the cultural stereotypes: Nikita is culturally Italian too, and Luba having trained there, btw. Machismo is also heavily part of Spanish/Latin culture too, so that involves Gorka.

James and Brendan were massive twats without being Italian. Lovely Brit Kai pushed AJ incredibly hard. Russian training is supposed to be the most militaristic, yet Pasha was (apparently) a massive softie.
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It’s ok to be uncomfortable but it seems the same type of people are having the issues. Which seems either hugely coincidental or cultural.
 
Zara is getting hammered from all sides - for daring to speak out, to not speaking up soon enough.
If Amanda had felt able to continue with the show, non of this would have come to light. The majority of reasonable viewers are glad that it has, but unfortunately many fans are only concerned by the impact this might have on their favourite show and it’s “beautiful professional dancers” hence this vile culture of victim blaming. I hope they are both getting lots of support.

GDP had a lot of people fooled, on the face of it he was a different character to Giovanni - with a beautiful wife and popular with all of the other pros and celebs. Up until this news, you would have been convinced that he was really living the best year of his life - 2 tours with SCD, his own tour followed by a fabulous free holiday to Jamaica and to top it all, a bromance with Vito that could have been used to generate more SM content (& money).

The reality is clearly very different and I do think it would be better if they taped all studio work going forward. Let the pros know what is and isn’t acceptable and give the celebs a welfare officer who has the power to review all footage.

If they are bringing in a new Pro, I would love to see Pasquale in for a least one season (not sure if they want another Italian though).
In the meantime I am hoping to see Ellie’s holiday snaps of her in a farmhouse with Nonna and Nonno Coppola.
 
Pasquale left DTWS but that was his own choice? Another pro, Maurizio left, but I didn't think he was sacked. He announced he was leaving due to personal issues.
And Michelle's bf Simone Arena got to the final this year. He complained about Ballando con le stelle a couple of years ago when he was eliminated, but he wasn't sacked.
 
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