Strictly Come Dancing 2024 #10

[Boogs]

Sadly this happens in so many workplaces. A junior production member is unlikely to risk their career on the basis that they witnessed some behaviour they deemed to be abusive, with no knowledge of any video evidence. If the producers hadn’t opened up this wider investigation and given people a space to speak freely this likely would’ve never come out. It’s extremely brave of them and Zara to come forward and just shows that so many shows probably need investigations like this.

It takes a lot to speak out in a workplace when others don’t seem to see the problem. When I was 18 in my first full time job something horrible happened that nobody else seemed at all phased by at the time. One of the staff members reported it to the manager and they called everyone in who had been present when it was talked about. As I was just a kid and had only been there 5 minutes they didn’t think I’d have much to say but I was honest about what I’d heard. It then became formal statements with 2 staff suspended, being questioned by their union rep in hearings and ultimately them being fired. I was so ashamed that I’d not spoken out until I was asked that I’ve been particularly outspoken since when I see things I don’t think are right. When you’re junior and surrounded by older experienced people who treat things like the norm you doubt yourself and think you’re over reacting.

 

[MidCenturyMadOne]

I keep thinking of that little girl who worships Graz, Katy, and hoping she’s okay. I wouldn’t like to be her mum trying to explain any of this.

 

[Boogs]

They need the publicity of Strictly to lengthen their careers. Look at all the spin off tours, media opportunities, freebies, book deals most of them get now. In some cases the pros are just as well known as the celebs, it has become a golden goose for them.

Graz was preparing for his solo tour at the time. I guess staying in longer meant more publicity and tour sales.

 

[posy]

I am so very glad I don’t work in the entertainment world. Lucky that where I work, encouraged to speak out about bad behaviour.

 

[gdw1910]

Carlos

 

[House of Tea]

True but Anton’s had lots of duffers and now he’s one of the judges!

Anton has a personality (an annoying one) and he knew his role on the show. Comedy capers etc. plus he was very friendly with Brucie. And Len. By the time he said that racial slur to Lalla Rouass he was firmly embedded as a cornerstone of the show. The BBC were not going to drop him. Anton knows how to play the game. As much as people like Brendan were arrogant tosspots, I can’t see him kicking or demeaning his partner. Being demanding yes, nasty no. Maybe it is a machismo thing with some of the Mediterranean dancers - they are little Prince dancers and they see women as lesser than them.

 

[Hatefake]

I am honestly in shock over this, I literally fell for the Labrador act with Graz! Does make me wonder with the whole FR situation that there can’t be much to go on in the footage/actions open to interpretation for them not to publicly sack him like they have done Graz? I know FR isn’t popular, but at least he’s not put on an act, he doesn't try and act like a Labrador, he is his arrogant self and doesn’t try to be something else. The whole Graz thing has shook me

 

[Ablemabel]

I feel really sorry for Zara. Things really haven't changed much since Me Too. Women are still copping the blame for the appalling actions of (mainly) men. As others have said there are many complex reasons why people don't speak out when something terrible happens and the 'l'm so sorry, I didn't mean it, I adore you' excuse has worked since the dawn of time.
Most Strictly contestants go on the show to raise their profile/boost their career and whilst Amanda was able to come out and complain about Gio, not everyone would feel able/want to do that if something happened to them.

It appalls me that Graz uses the 'intense passion made me do it' excuse. What a monstrous tit.

 

[House of Tea]

The gloss came off this show a long time ago. This has well and truly de glittered it.

 

[AllSeeingEye123]

Do we take these media stories as completely true? I’m not usually one for remotely believing The Sun or DM. Obviously, he’s been sacked so he’s done something the BBC felt was misconduct. But how true is the spitting, hitting & kicking I wonder .. I guess the allegations haven’t come out of nowhere.. but it’s still the scum of the earth newspapers..

The scum isn't the papers telling us what he did. The scum is him for being a woman beater. If he doesn't like what's being said he can come out and deny it which he hasn't even though it would be first thing i would do if I was accused of something so serious I hadn't done.

 

[northernangel]

It’s just all so strange, there has to be more context released, if he has kicked punched and spat at her then it should become a police investigation, however if he has punched a wall, kicked a bin and spat in her vicinity that needs to be said. Katya has liked his post which leads me to believe there’s more to it than we’ve been told so far as I can’t see she would pubically support a man who has assaulted a woman.

 

[louseylou]

I wonder if the situation was more like this if Zara did not see or realise his behavior was off.....

If he was getting frustrated with how practice was going maybe he kicked a chair, punched a wall or was shouting and swearing, spat at the floor. All nasty behavior that Zara or anyone should not be subjected to, but not directly aimed at her. If this was the case it's still classed as abusive behavior but maybe would not register to some one to report. It's only now footage is revised that it's come out?

From one of the articles that came out last night it sounds as though other people knew. I would assume Zara is the one who told the other celebs since they're not going to be in the training room with them. If other people know and aren't doing anything I can see why she wouldn't.

Also, the articles say that he kicked, hit and spat at her. They'd have to be very careful about saying those kind of things because if he didn't do it then he could sue them..

 

[ilovedogss]

Never understand why grown men get called labradors/golden retrievers. I've never heard a woman get called that before. They just get called annoying, or attention seeking.

 

[AllSeeingEye123]

It’s just all so strange, there has to be more context released, if he has kicked punched and spat at her then it should become a police investigation, however if he has punched a wall, kicked a bin and spat in her vicinity that needs to be said. Katya has liked his post which leads me to believe there’s more to it than we’ve been told so far as I can’t see she would pubically support a man who has assaulted a woman.

Multiple media outlets have reported him being physical towards her so we know the context.

 

[posy]

We don’t know it isn’t a police investigation. Maybe that’s why the BBC acted so swiftly this time.
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Although would Zara have to report it to the police in order for them to investigate?

 

[MrsDimSum]

We don’t know it isn’t a police investigation. Maybe that’s why the BBC acted so swiftly this time.
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Although would Zara have to report it to the police in order for them to investigate?

I would think there would have to be if he has assaulted and spat on her. Surely they can’t put all this out in the media and then not follow it up through the correct channels?

have SCD actually released a statement? The media have said he was sacked, Graz has said he’s left, albeit he was probably invited to leave

 

[daisybrown]

I keep thinking of that little girl who worships Graz, Katy, and hoping she’s okay. I wouldn’t like to be her mum trying to explain any of this.

I think Mum is very much in the Graz can do no wrong camp - well she was when this first broke. So the explanation to K will reflect this. Still feel sorry for K though.

 

[northernangel]

Multiple media outlets have reported him being physical towards her so we know the context.

Well not really, ‘being physical’ could cover throwing something in their vicinity to having them up by the throat, it’s a huge spectrum.

 

[Gym&Tonic]

I think a lot of those women on FB are the kind that pick on younger female work colleagues. We’ve all met them. They have been conditioned to believe that it’s all about the men and being attractive to men and they take out their bitterness at no longer being young and attractive to men on younger women.

 

[Ridandroo]

I saw a tik tok once with him and his wife. It was supposed to be funny but i remember thinking at the time he looked angry with her and pushed her quite hard. I will see if i can find it.