Liam Payne #5

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Glasgowgal1 said:
Liam has spoken himself about how he struggled to deal day to day when he didn't have people organising his days for him, as a result of only knowing this his full life. He was still a child when he joined 1D so went from his parents organising everything to staff for the band.

This would have made it easy for Roger to take the control he appeared to have over Liam.
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Never thought about this, it's fascinating
 
I think what makes Liam's death seem even more emotive was just how available he really was to the general public. Yes Kurt Cobain, Michael Hutchence etc did interviews, paparazzi shots etc but they weren't uploading to social media frequently and giving the general public an insight into their daily lives. Yes it provides engagement, but it also leaves you open to criticism, which for someone with already existing mental health and addiction issues is really not a good combination 😕
 
MammaTubbs said:
I just get the vibe that there's something unsettling somewhere about it all, but that could just be as it's a tragic death involving someone young, addiction issues etc. I do feel that Kate definitely knew of his overall addiction issues, whether she knew how much was ongoing during the last few days who knows!? I did find this video strange from Niall's concert though, someone had commented on it saying it almost seemed like Roger is managing Kate to manage Liam? Rich/famous or not that'd get right on my nerves if one of my partners friends seemingly acted like that with me
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I'm not sure how anyone gets "managing" from this, to be honest. It's got a "you seeing this tit?" vibe to me.

I am 100% certain that she knew about the drugs, and as I've said before I think that's the reason she went home.
 
sam0206 said:
I mean to be honest I can understand why he was annoyed and said that because gigi's mum set up paparazzi shots with his daughter after him and gigi banned them. She was also controlling with her daughter so I think it came more from a place of frustration and I doubt he knew it was going to become public
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Well he also pushed her, called her a “Dutch slut” and pled no contest to the charges against him, so he had to complete a one year anger management and domestic violence course. That’s unacceptable no matter how detestable we might find a woman. It’s basically saying it’s alright he was abusive because she’s a witch. Would people be excusing Zayn’s abusive behaviour if he wasn’t an attractive man who was in 1D?
 
duskwithoutdawn said:
Well he also pushed her, called her a “Dutch slut” and pled no contest to the charges against him, so he had to complete a one year anger management and domestic violence course. That’s unacceptable no matter how detestable we might find a woman. It’s basically saying it’s alright he was abusive because she’s a witch. Would people be excusing Zayn’s abusive behaviour if he wasn’t an attractive man who was in 1D?
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No of course its not alright but she wasn't innocent either. It's not like he just turned up at her house, randomly said that about his daughter and then shoved his almost mother in law. Infact did it not happen at his home, where she came in uninvited? There's always two sides to a story. I think it's important to remember as well though that the way he was controlled so much in 1d to the point that he developed an eating disorder there's a lot of reasons why he would have reacted the way that he did especially if in his mind he was protecting his daughter from the same controlling behaviours.
I've just looked it up to remind myself, he didn't say he was guilty either he pleaded no contest so that things didn't drag out to protect Khai from having to see it all online when she was older. No contest means you're not accepting guilt but accepting a punishment.
It's probably all on here somewhere too 😊
 
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sam0206 said:
No of course its not alright but she wasn't innocent either. It's not like he just turned up at her house, randomly said that about his daughter and then shoved his almost mother in law. Infact did it not happen at his home, where she came in uninvited? There's always two sides to a story. I think it's important to remember as well though that the way he was controlled so much in 1d to the point that he developed an eating disorder there's a lot of reasons why he would have reacted the way that he did especially if in his mind he was protecting his daughter from the same controlling behaviours.
I've just looked it up to remind myself, he didn't say he was guilty either he pleaded no contest so that things didn't drag out to protect Khai from having to see it all online when she was older. No contest means you're not accepting guilt but accepting a punishment.
It's probably all on here somewhere too 😊
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'It's okay for him to verbally abuse a woman and push her because he had an eating disorder' are you genuinely tapped?
 
I think based on Liam (and Zayn) in this case, it's evident that too much fame too young, combined with some of their formative years being so overly managed etc just left them without the usual coping mechanisms we all acquire when we first start becoming independent adults. Unfortunately as a result of this, they've turned to more destructive methods such as substance abuse, eating disorders etc as coping mechanisms, which has sadly then had a knock on effect to those around them, with reports of violence, manipulation etc. Zayn luckily still has time to learn and grow, whereas Liam has paid the ultimate price and can never atone to himself or others 💔
 
MammaTubbs said:
I think based on Liam (and Zayn) in this case, it's evident that too much fame too young, combined with some of their formative years being so overly managed etc just left them without the usual coping mechanisms we all acquire when we first start becoming independent adults. Unfortunately as a result of this, they've turned to more destructive methods such as substance abuse, eating disorders etc as coping mechanisms, which has sadly then had a knock on effect to those around them, with reports of violence, manipulation etc. Zayn luckily still has time to learn and grow, whereas Liam has paid the ultimate price and can never atone to himself or others 💔
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I couldn't agree more. You've just very succinctly said what I've been trying to for the entire thread.
 
LadyWeatherwax said:
I couldn't agree more. You've just very succinctly said what I've been trying to for the entire thread.
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I personally think both Zayn and Louis’ have gone through a lot of growth and healing to be able to get to where they are today and still be alive. Louis’ especially. The amount of loss that poor lad has had to deal with at such a young age is shocking and is enough for anyone to go down the wrong path.
They could both have quite easily been Liam.
 
MooBug said:
I personally think both Zayn and Louis’ have gone through a lot of growth and healing to be able to get to where they are today and still be alive. Louis’ especially. The amount of loss that poor lad has had to deal with at such a young age is shocking and is enough for anyone to go down the wrong path.
They could both have quite easily been Liam.
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The sad reality is, they've both picked up bad habits along the way that could catch up with them one day. Eg Zayn has been smoking since he was 15. I know not everything is black and white, and everyone's situations are different but it makes me think of Bryan Curtis who start smoking at age 13 and this was him around zayns age:

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And then there's Louis who drinks like it's a personality trait, and both have a history of drug use
 
Never really a one direction fan. Anyone else finding themselves in an odd swirl of Liam paynes death? Am spending an unbelievably unhealthy amount of time consumed by it all. Not to the point of crying myself to sleep or not getting on with my real world, so not morbid fan girl, but transfixed by these threads and all the socials
 
F1Grid said:
'It's okay for him to verbally abuse a woman and push her because he had an eating disorder' are you genuinely tapped?
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A lot of people on this thread seem so happy to excuse Liam and now clearly Zayn of bad behaviour because they're attractive young men that spent time in a boyband and we watched them grow up. Numerous people they've crossed paths with are painted in a negative light, whereas they're angels that had a horrible time in 1D and we could never understand.

I won't deny that their time in 1D wasn't all great but I'm sure it wasn't all completely terrible and they've all earned enough money to disappear and live a quiet life if that was what they really wanted, instead they return to the spotlight.
 
Chezza said:
A lot of people on this thread seem so happy to excuse Liam and now clearly Zayn of bad behaviour because they're attractive young men that spent time in a boyband and we watched them grow up. Numerous people they've crossed paths with are painted in a negative light, whereas they're angels that had a horrible time in 1D and we could never understand.

I won't deny that their time in 1D wasn't all great but I'm sure it wasn't all completely terrible and they've all earned enough money to disappear and live a quiet life if that was what they really wanted, instead they return to the spotlight.
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I can totally see where you’re coming from. But id guess with some people that maybe have an addictive personality, fame may be addictive, touring, doing what they are good at. There must be good points that outweigh the bad. Even people that have struggled with fame want to do that one thing they are good at.
 
Chezza said:
A lot of people on this thread seem so happy to excuse Liam and now clearly Zayn of bad behaviour because they're attractive young men that spent time in a boyband and we watched them grow up. Numerous people they've crossed paths with are painted in a negative light, whereas they're angels that had a horrible time in 1D and we could never understand.

I won't deny that their time in 1D wasn't all great but I'm sure it wasn't all completely terrible and they've all earned enough money to disappear and live a quiet life if that was what they really wanted, instead they return to the spotlight.
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No one on this thread is happy with anything that's gone on. It's literally a discussion on things that have happened, why they may have happened, what events could have led to things happening etc.
It's a joke that no one on this thread can discuss this without being accused of defending people for being abusive on the basis that "they're attractive". Not once have I seen a post from someone on here saying "yeah they abused people but that's OK because they were in a boyband and looked good".
 
Tbh it's insulting to suggest it's because they are attractive and we are all so weak at the knees that we can't see clearly. I personally didn't fancy any of them other than Zayn, and I still think he's been a little tit bag. In the same way I am envious of their wealth, but also feel sad for the lifestyles it's led to. It's all nuanced and not as simple as "handsome man = sympathy, ugly man = none". I feel sad for addicts regardless of where they've come from, or what they look like.
 
MammaTubbs said:
Very sad for Liam and Zayns children that there's so much out there on social media regarding their parents. Especially the addiction and aggression parts, makes you wonder how much their young intense fame affected them and the resulting coping mechanisms they learned 😞
So many of their solo lyrics reference the pressure they were and in some cases are still under, Liam's Strip That Down, Harrys As It Was, just the first two I can think of.
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It’s sad but… actions have consequences. They all could’ve walked away, retired and become great involved fathers but they’re too busy chasing fame and the feeling of being worshipped.

Liam launched his solo career when Bear was like two months old and never was really that present because he was focusing on his career, he, also like Zayn and Louis became a young father so probably not really ready.
 
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