Liam Payne #5

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MammaTubbs said:
I'm sat here right now and honestly trying to wrack my brain to think of a pop band where at least one member hasn't had issues with their mental health and/or substance abuse.
More needs to be done, even taking it back to the basics of what kids are taught in schools.
Just like Liam and many of you here I guess, I went to a state funded secondary school at roughly the same time.
Our minimal teaching on substances was just a blanket don't take this or that or you could die.
Absolutely zero explanation at all of how much your life and the lives of those around you could be affected by you doing this whilst alive 😞
IT WILL RUIN YOU
If Liam was a tick box exercise for success he'd meet every box, bags of talent, a firm friend, a loving son and brother, healthy baby boy, nation sweetheart girlfriend, millions in the bank and a massively charitable donor.
All that and it wasn't enough for him to save himself 😔
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I couldn't agree with you more. I'm sure a lot of people on here think I'm being an absolute witch for saying that only the dealer should be prosecuted for what happened to Liam, but I'm not.

Trained professionals apparently couldn't help Liam. It's not on anyone - family, friends, business associates or random hotel workers - to be able to fix him, or guess that this particular binge was going to be the one that ended it all.

If any good at all comes from this total mess, I'd love it to be a charity/campaign to raise awareness of mental health and addiction issues - not just a crappy poster campaign, I mean a real, boots on the ground campaign which goes into schools and youth groups to talk about the realities of addiction and poor mental health. Something that gives young people real strategies to deal with it, both in their own lives and their friends. It's clear that the NHS has been eviscerated and is completely overwhelmed since Covid - there needs to be something to properly signpost charitable resources to people, so they aren't just guessing at the right thing to do, or suffering in silence. And yeah, something to normalise it. We need to be talking about mental health and addiction in the same tone we talk about tonsillitis or a water infection; it's something that can happen, but it can be fixed if you don't ignore it.
 
LadyWeatherwax said:
I couldn't agree with you more. I'm sure a lot of people on here think I'm being an absolute witch for saying that only the dealer should be prosecuted for what happened to Liam, but I'm not.

Trained professionals apparently couldn't help Liam. It's not on anyone - family, friends, business associates or random hotel workers - to be able to fix him, or guess that this particular binge was going to be the one that ended it all.

If any good at all comes from this total mess, I'd love it to be a charity/campaign to raise awareness of mental health and addiction issues - not just a crappy poster campaign, I mean a real, boots on the ground campaign which goes into schools and youth groups to talk about the realities of addiction and poor mental health. Something that gives young people real strategies to deal with it, both in their own lives and their friends. It's clear that the NHS has been eviscerated and is completely overwhelmed since Covid - there needs to be something to properly signpost charitable resources to people, so they aren't just guessing at the right thing to do, or suffering in silence. And yeah, something to normalise it. We need to be talking about mental health and addiction in the same tone we talk about tonsillitis or a water infection; it's something that can happen, but it can be fixed if you don't ignore it.
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I agree. There’s still such a huge stigma around addiction - you only have to look at how people label others as ‘just a junkie’ etc.
it’s really not talked about or normalised enough.
And it needs to be. I think people need to realise just how easy it is to become addicted. I guess you just think it’ll never happen to you?

Ironically I read an autobiography about cocaine addiction as a teen and it painted such a bleak existence that I’ve never ever touched the stuff, or any other drug for that matter. But then became totally dependent on alcohol! So I would 100% love to see more education about addiction and how easily it is to go down that road.
 
MammaTubbs said:
I'm sat here right now and honestly trying to wrack my brain to think of a pop band where at least one member hasn't had issues with their mental health and/or substance abuse.
More needs to be done, even taking it back to the basics of what kids are taught in schools.
Just like Liam and many of you here I guess, I went to a state funded secondary school at roughly the same time.
Our minimal teaching on substances was just a blanket don't take this or that or you could die.
Absolutely zero explanation at all of how much your life and the lives of those around you could be affected by you doing this whilst alive 😞
IT WILL RUIN YOU
If Liam was a tick box exercise for success he'd meet every box, bags of talent, a firm friend, a loving son and brother, healthy baby boy, nation sweetheart girlfriend, millions in the bank and a massively charitable donor.
All that and it wasn't enough for him to save himself 😔
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I agree, I also think that school shouldn't just be academic subjects being taught, I think there should be some time devoted to teaching wellbeing and reslilience techniques, maybe if taught in childhood it can help someone later in life during their adulthood. It won't help or save everyone, but it could help or save someone/a few so it would be worth it.
 
FentonLeigha84 said:
I agree, I also think that school shouldn't just be academic subjects being taught, I think there should be some time devoted to teaching wellbeing and reslilience techniques, maybe if taught in childhood it can help someone later in life during their adulthood. It won't help or save everyone, but it could help or save someone/a few so it would be worth it.
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I just think you shouldn’t be allowed to be in the entertainment industry until you’re 21. Anything under you need your actual parent with you at all times, not a guardian your mother or father and you can’t be on TV live past a certain time and 80% of the money goes into an account that can’t be accessed until you’re of a certain age.

I was taught the dangers of drugs in school, we even met Leah Betts parents but that didn’t stop people drinking and doing drugs! If people are going to do them, they will knowing the dangers what can stop (with celebs) it is the people that they’re surround themselves with.
 
I think also more celebrities and influencers should be more vocal about drugs and the dangers they have. I know in movies tv shows etc they are always glamourised. Even when people in those things die from their drug and alcohol use its always young good looking people who then get idolised. The kate moss look in the early 2000s for example, topshop practically done a whole range based on her style. Cocaine especially was made to be "sexy". I think the likes of celebrities being more vocal against drink and drugs would say a lot to younger generations.
 
KINGAA said:
I just think you shouldn’t be allowed to be in the entertainment industry until you’re 21. Anything under you need your actual parent with you at all times, not a guardian your mother or father and you can’t be on TV live past a certain time and 80% of the money goes into an account that can’t be accessed until you’re of a certain age.
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That'll only work if the parents are looking out for their child's best interests, rather than their own. Look at Michael Jackson. His dad used to beat him and his siblings when they got tired during rehearsals. And Aaron and Nick Carter's parents, who used take Aaron's money whilst telling him he'd never be as good as Nick. I believe their dad also used to do drugs with them, too.
Some parents are also incredibly naive. I think it was Drew Barrymore who said her mum would accompany her to industry parties at a really young age (around 9/10 IIRC). Her mum would go in one direction, whilst was Drew off in the other direction doing god knows what with god knows who; they wouldn't see each other again until the end of the night.
The prospect of fame seems to make people completely oblivious to what "normal" adults would consider dodgy AF.
 
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