Liam Payne #5

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Webster1357 said:
Sorry, are we not allowed a balanced discussion here??
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It is a balanced discussion but there has been posters that will hear no wrong about the women liam has dated and are adamant everything happened because liam was a abusive drug addict. There can be truths in both but to laugh at posters and ridicule them for trying to have said balanced discussion isn't very fair 😂
 
Count me in for a balanced discussion! No one here as a poster or being discussed is an all round saint, addictions, toilet attendant assaults, pap walks, tell all books etc and that's just this thread! 🙈
Would love it if there's someone lurking here with knowledge of the Argentinian justice system though 👀
 
I'm all for a balanced discussion. There just seems to be a lot of bashing of the women without any consideration from some that to whatever extent Liam was when at his worst a very toxic person to be around. You can still be a fan of his and his music but need to perhaps consider he wasn't the young man you grew up watching in xfactor or idolising during his One Direction days. He was clearly struggling with mental health and addictions and as a result a very troubled individual.

Hating on those he chose to share his life and placing blame for what happened especially towards the women just comes across as bitter and jealous. As I keep saying we will never fully understand the relationships he had with anyone but especially Kate and Maya. But I have seen people flat out accuse Maya of being a liar because Liam could never treat a women that way and blame Kate for his death because she chose to look after her own mental health and go home when she did.

Liam's last few months at the very least he was getting hatred online, I just think we should be more careful and considerate of what we're saying as you never know who is reading and the impact it has on their mental health. Do I agree with everything those close to him have done, absolutely not. But treating them the same way Liam was makes you as bad as those hating on him 🤷‍♀️

A balanced discussion is absolutely what should be taking place here but unfortunately it is not what happens, it seems a lot of 1D fans have made their way into the thread and can't accept that unfortunately Liam was an addict with potentially violent and manipulation behaviours.
 
xLJ03x said:
Where are all these pictures that you are talking about?
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The photo that TMZ showed part of was posted online. A lot of 1D fans tried to hide them by posting pics of him smiling and with loved ones using the hashtag #body so they would be the one's shown instead. The thing is, there were a lot of people who posted/shared them, so they are still easy to find.
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princess0121do1 said:
It’s nothing bad I still have it in a fb chat somewhere
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Yeah, I was expecting worse after hearing he fell from a height. It's obviously horrible because it's a picture of him not alive but it could have been a lot more triggering.
 
I saw a story with those pap photos that said she had been in London since not long after liam died. I wonder what happened with their dog then as that's a long time to leave her. It would be a shame if she's went back to kennels as she was a rescue dog originally too. Hopefully Kate left her with family or friends. I think her next few months will be interesting and will show her true intentions
 
Watching that video does make me wonder where 🐻 fitted into the last few years of his father's life. For how much travelling they did, there's no way he was doing the school run a few times a week like he said he was doing at one point. I hope whatever relationship they had, it was a positive and healthy one.
As much as I liked Liam, if roles were reversed Cheryl would be crucified by press and public alike 😞
 
I don’t think Liam was a very present father. I’m not sure he meant to, but in many interviews, his responses to being a father alluded him to not being a very active presence in his son’s life.

Cheryl also likely limited Liam’s access to their son when Liam was struggling with his sobriety and addictions.
 
Thinking back to that quote from Matthew Perry’s stepfather (I think on a previous thread) about if the people around him had called, then the cavalry would have come running - I wonder if Liam’s parents are upset at Kate for not calling them and letting them know if Liam was in a bad place.

I’m not in any way blaming her, we don’t know what those last few days were like and as I’ve previously said on here, I’m 5 years sober and I was a complete hole when drunk.
But also speaking as a mum, I wonder if that’s something they’re wondering and wishing had happened differently.
 
wellingtonboots said:
Thinking back to that quote from Matthew Perry’s stepfather (I think on a previous thread) about if the people around him had called, then the cavalry would have come running - I wonder if Liam’s parents are upset at Kate for not calling them and letting them know if Liam was in a bad place.

I’m not in any way blaming her, we don’t know what those last few days were like and as I’ve previously said on here, I’m 5 years sober and I was a complete hole when drunk.
But also speaking as a mum, I wonder if that’s something they’re wondering and wishing had happened differently.
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I could definitely see that happening. How many of us have been around friends etc that have probably taken things too far with drugs/alcohol but not told people who could help them for fear of upsetting them or ruining a friendship. Obviously we all know drugs and alcohol can kill but no one thinks it'll happen until it sadly does
 
wellingtonboots said:
Thinking back to that quote from Matthew Perry’s stepfather (I think on a previous thread) about if the people around him had called, then the cavalry would have come running - I wonder if Liam’s parents are upset at Kate for not calling them and letting them know if Liam was in a bad place.

I’m not in any way blaming her, we don’t know what those last few days were like and as I’ve previously said on here, I’m 5 years sober and I was a complete hole when drunk.
But also speaking as a mum, I wonder if that’s something they’re wondering and wishing had happened differently.
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Matthew Perry's personal assistant supplied him with the ketamine that killed him. He obviously had no intention of letting his family know he'd relapsed.

I wonder if Kate was unaware of how bad Liam's addiction was? He went on his 3 day bender after she left Argentina as far as I can see. Maybe he was fine and in good spirits before she went home. I don't think we'll ever know. :(
 
Serene Serena said:
Matthew Perry's personal assistant supplied him with the ketamine that killed him. He obviously had no intention of letting his family know he'd relapsed.

I wonder if Kate was unaware of how bad Liam's addiction was? He went on his 3 day bender after she left Argentina as far as I can see. Maybe he was fine and in good spirits before she went home. I don't think we'll ever know. :(
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Yes I feel sick when I think of how they took advantage of Matthew Perry. Scumbags.

I thought it was such a meaningful thing that his stepfather said, that they’d have been so many people who loved him, and would help IF only they had known. I’m sure it would have been the same for Liam. That’s what got me wondering about his parents.

It does seem like he was on something while she was still there with him, but she could’ve not realised how bad he was going to get. Like you said, sadly we’ll never know and I’m sure his family will always wonder :(
 
I just get the vibe that there's something unsettling somewhere about it all, but that could just be as it's a tragic death involving someone young, addiction issues etc. I do feel that Kate definitely knew of his overall addiction issues, whether she knew how much was ongoing during the last few days who knows!? I did find this video strange from Niall's concert though, someone had commented on it saying it almost seemed like Roger is managing Kate to manage Liam? Rich/famous or not that'd get right on my nerves if one of my partners friends seemingly acted like that with me
 
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