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I’ve seen Romesh bigging Sean Walsh up for supporting him when he was starting out. Just because you’re a good friend to one person doesn’t mean you’re not an abusive hole to another. I’ve not read the book yet (it’s on my kindle I just haven’t got round to it) but I fully believe her. That kiss was on her birthday. He’d told her he was training late and she was being stupid for being upset he was missing her birthday.
 
So Pandora is launching a new podcast called 'Book Chat' on Monday, co-hosted with Bobby Palmer. The caveat for this podcast is that all of the books discussed have to be more than two years old.

GUARANTEE the first two books discussed will be Rachel's Holiday by Marian Keyes and Standard Deviation by Katherine Heiny, as these are the equivalent of holy texts for London literary gals.
 
I've just found this thread and skim read 24 pages. 😝

I'm not familiar with all of the LL's but I had to unfollow Bella Mackie last year. Couldn't tolerate her moaning about the STRESS of being a writer and working to a deadline. Imagine having a real demanding and high stress job. Nurse, GP, teacher.. pretty much anything that isn't sitting in your London home with your dog, drinking expensive coffee and tap tapping on a keyboard. At a time when key workers were putting their health on the line to go to work everyday Bella was safe and secure in her beautiful house. I found it very tone deaf.

I thought her running book was tit too. 🤭 Haven't attempted HTKYF.
 
I've just found this thread and skim read 24 pages. 😝

I'm not familiar with all of the LL's but I had to unfollow Bella Mackie last year. Couldn't tolerate her moaning about the STRESS of being a writer and working to a deadline. Imagine having a real demanding and high stress job. Nurse, GP, teacher.. pretty much anything that isn't sitting in your London home with your dog, drinking expensive coffee and tap tapping on a keyboard. At a time when key workers were putting their health on the line to go to work everyday Bella was safe and secure in her beautiful house. I found it very tone deaf.

I thought her running book was tit too. 🤭 Haven't attempted HTKYF.

I was so looking forward to reading this and bought it on the day of publication because I thought the premise sounded fantastic.

Sadly, it felt a little underdone and I gave up about halfway through. I will try and read it again, though, to give it a fair crack of the whip. All of the comparisons to Killing Eve were total bollocks, though.
 
I thought Rebecca Humphries massively milked that whole sorry saga. Obviously we will never know what went on behind closed doors but on the face of it, yeah, he snogged his Strictly partner. It’s tit but I for some reason don’t believe that he was some evil bastard who was manipulating her for years. 🤷‍♀️

I think he was really fucked over by that. He got fully cancelled for a long time (not saying that cheating on your partner isn’t bad) but — it ain’t that deep. He got drunk and snogged his dance partner.
 
I thought Rebecca Humphries massively milked that whole sorry saga. Obviously we will never know what went on behind closed doors but on the face of it, yeah, he snogged his Strictly partner. It’s tit but I for some reason don’t believe that he was some evil bastard who was manipulating her for years. 🤷‍♀️

I think he was really fucked over by that. He got fully cancelled for a long time (not saying that cheating on your partner isn’t bad) but — it ain’t that deep. He got drunk and snogged his dance partner.

I 100% agree with this.

The interview on It Takes Two with Zoe Ball sat there with a face like a slapped arse while demanding 'haven't you got anything to SAY?' was proper cringe, squirm, watch through your fingers viewing.
 
I thought Rebecca Humphries massively milked that whole sorry saga. Obviously we will never know what went on behind closed doors but on the face of it, yeah, he snogged his Strictly partner. It’s tit but I for some reason don’t believe that he was some evil bastard who was manipulating her for years. 🤷‍♀️

I think he was really fucked over by that. He got fully cancelled for a long time (not saying that cheating on your partner isn’t bad) but — it ain’t that deep. He got drunk and snogged his dance partner.

Completely agree. He seems a bit messed up nowadays. Not surprising considering the media pile on he experienced.

Whilst I would never condone cheating I have seen enough drunken kisses at office xmas parties etc to know it happens and everyone is human at the end of the day.
 
How do people feel about including Emily Dean in the LLs? Has she already been mentioned? She reminds me of a more confident Elizabeth Day.

have heard she's very fiery. She used to date Richard Osman. I actually like her walking the dog podcast but i hate the way she sucks up to everyone she interviews and becomes sycophantic immediately, it makes her appear inauthentic and I think she's probably really not

Bit confused could have sworn Elizabeth Day was 43 but saw she put something about turning 40 recently on IG?
 
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have heard she's very fiery. She used to date Richard Osman. I actually like her walking the dog podcast but i hate the way she sucks up to everyone she interviews and becomes sycophantic immediately, it makes her appear inauthentic and I think she's probably really not

Bit confused could have sworn Elizabeth Day was 43 but saw she put something about turning 40 recently on IG?

her bday post was pun people missed ‘forty phwoar’ .. 44
 
Completely agree. He seems a bit messed up nowadays. Not surprising considering the media pile on he experienced.

Whilst I would never condone cheating I have seen enough drunken kisses at office xmas parties etc to know it happens and everyone is human at the end of the day.

I was never a big fan of Sean Walsh but I got bad vibes off Rebecca humphries too.

he was a rising star at the time, an increasingly popular comedian and then had a stint on strictly.

they’d met in 2013 while both working on TV show Big Bad World. His career took off and hers never really did - which is a bit of a death knell for showbiz relationships.
It felt like more of a PR move than genuine reaction when she did that spiel on Twitter, whilst claiming he gaslit her but maintaining she wasn’t a victim. It just felt so fake, like she was desperate to be seen to be the one who ditched shin because he was an abusive POS, rather than he fact he got it on with a more attractive, successful woman while his own career took off.

I’ve no doubt he was egotistical and could very well have been as abusive as Rebecca claimed.

but it’s always felt.. off to me. I was in an abusive relationship and it took me years after it had ended, to come to terms with it. My abuser kissing someone else and dumping me, wouldn’t have flipped a light switch in my head and suddenly I’d have been able to recognise all the things I hadn’t before. I wouldn’t have been able to identify that I’d been gaslit, that took a long time to realise. Partially because no one wants to admit that a long term relationship with someone they loved, was abusive. Then there’s the fact that actual gaslighting makes you doubt yourself over everything. Had it been me, I’d have been reeling and wouldn’t have been able to form a coherent Twitter thread articulating my abuse.

but hey everyone’s experience is different.

IMO she knew his career was taking off, she knew she was “punching” and that the end was near for the relationship. She must’ve had an idea because she wasn’t too shocked and was a little too quick with that Twitter response.
 
I was never a big fan of Sean Walsh but I got bad vibes off Rebecca humphries too.

he was a rising star at the time, an increasingly popular comedian and then had a stint on strictly.

they’d met in 2013 while both working on TV show Big Bad World. His career took off and hers never really did - which is a bit of a death knell for showbiz relationships.
It felt like more of a PR move than genuine reaction when she did that spiel on Twitter, whilst claiming he gaslit her but maintaining she wasn’t a victim. It just felt so fake, like she was desperate to be seen to be the one who ditched shin because he was an abusive POS, rather than he fact he got it on with a more attractive, successful woman while his own career took off.

I’ve no doubt he was egotistical and could very well have been as abusive as Rebecca claimed.

but it’s always felt.. off to me. I was in an abusive relationship and it took me years after it had ended, to come to terms with it. My abuser kissing someone else and dumping me, wouldn’t have flipped a light switch in my head and suddenly I’d have been able to recognise all the things I hadn’t before. I wouldn’t have been able to identify that I’d been gaslit, that took a long time to realise. Partially because no one wants to admit that a long term relationship with someone they loved, was abusive. Then there’s the fact that actual gaslighting makes you doubt yourself over everything. Had it been me, I’d have been reeling and wouldn’t have been able to form a coherent Twitter thread articulating my abuse.

but hey everyone’s experience is different.

IMO she knew his career was taking off, she knew she was “punching” and that the end was near for the relationship. She must’ve had an idea because she wasn’t too shocked and was a little too quick with that Twitter response.

I feel like you’ve articulated what I feel about it. Something is just off. I don’t doubt that he behaved badly and I don’t think she lied but I do think she turned the volume right up on several incidences of bad behaviour which served to strongly suggest that he was an abusive partner and man. I feel like it has done harm in some ways because it gives ammunition to those who claim it’s all gone too far etc.

The Twitter post felt very staged and melodramatic. The ‘I am not a victim’ start seemed a deliberate way to call attention to the fact that she DID feel she was a victim of abuse but would rise from the ashes (with the cat). She also liked a load of bitchy tweets about seann.

I think she understandably found the whole thing hugely humiliating and needed to re-write the narrative to salvage her career. She said in an interview ( think with guardian) that her agent/ manager warned her not to tweet as it would harm her career but she did it anyway and has never been doing better.
 
I feel like you’ve articulated what I feel about it. Something is just off. I don’t doubt that he behaved badly and I don’t think she lied but I do think she turned the volume right up on several incidences of bad behaviour which served to strongly suggest that he was an abusive partner and man. I feel like it has done harm in some ways because it gives ammunition to those who claim it’s all gone too far etc.

The Twitter post felt very staged and melodramatic. The ‘I am not a victim’ start seemed a deliberate way to call attention to the fact that she DID feel she was a victim of abuse but would rise from the ashes (with the cat). She also liked a load of bitchy tweets about seann.

I think she understandably found the whole thing hugely humiliating and needed to re-write the narrative to salvage her career. She said in an interview ( think with guardian) that her agent/ manager warned her not to tweet as it would harm her career but she did it anyway and has never been doing better.

yep she comes across as a bit of a dick lol

this interview with the guardian made my eyes roll. And of course she quoted Nora Ephron. These chicks might as well start a Nora cult, admit they don’t have a shred of creativity among them and be done with it.


i remember thinking at the time the kiss happened, he comes across as a bell end. He went out on her birthday for drinks with someone else. Comedians are notoriously egocentric and vain and self involved. He was probably a nightmare to be in a relationship in.

but she comes across just as melodramatic and egocentric as he does. Her pride was hurt and she wanted to save face. He kissed someone else ffs. She mentioned in the guardian interview that her worst fear was him kissing someone else and it being all over the news. Her worst fear wasn’t that he’d be hurt during a routine, or that she’d lose the relationship. It was fear of being publicly embarrassed. I’d be distraught if my fiancée cheated on me - but over the loss of the relationship, not the public embarrassment.

she’s never directly accused him of anything other than gaslighting, but she has (in her words), become an “accidental figurehead”.

she’s written columns about abusive relationships, spoken in parliament about abusive relationships etc.

She’s never directly accused him of anything beyond being “controlling” but the subtext is clear. She’s states that she disappeared into a shell of herself during the 5 year relationship. She has painted him as a controlling abusive partner without ever directly saying so. So she’s never asked to stand by that accusation and equally, he’s never able to confront or address any accusations because, she hasn’t directly made any.

now she’s cashed in and written a book which, let’s face is, is all about that strictly debacle. It’s not about helping victims of abuse, it’s all about her.

but it’s 4 years since the kiss/tweet happened. Sean is rebuilding his career and is having a baby with a new partner. Rebecca is still dwelling on being cheated on and is still mud slinging.

neither of them seem like nice people. My sympathy in scenarios like this tends to be to automatically believe the woman. I have a natural empathy for women who claim to have been the victim of abuse and manipulation because I’ve been there myself and I know what it’s like to not be believed. But with Rebecca I just can’t bring myself too.

this reeks of the fury of a woman publicly scorned, rather than a woman coming to terms with abuse and wanting to help others.
 
Oh yes, the worst fear part clanged when I read it too.

The figurehead thing irks me. I keep thinking of past relationships and bad behaviour (on both sides) and how it would look if one or two things were blown up and focussed on. It would be awful. The. To have to carry that around for the rest of your life. It seems like the punishment did not fit the crime.
 
Oh yes, the worst fear part clanged when I read it too.

The figurehead thing irks me. I keep thinking of past relationships and bad behaviour (on both sides) and how it would look if one or two things were blown up and focussed on. It would be awful. The. To have to carry that around for the rest of your life. It seems like the punishment did not fit the crime.

my hypothesis is that it was a pretty toxic, codependent relationship that was dead in the water.

him kissing Katya in public, in a busy place, on rebecca’s birthday, strikes me as someone trying to end a relationship, albeit in an tactless and insensitive way. And when you look at rebeccas reaction you could maybe see why she’d be difficult to end things with.

his crime seems to have been to end the relationship, rather than the crime of actually cheating.
 
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