Two sets of twins killed in fire- mum arrested for neglect

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“I can’t believe this has happened. He (Dalton) would have been over in a shot if she (Deveca) needed someone to look after the boys.

“He really loved them as he does the children he has with his new partner.” - https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/17072807/sutton-fire-shopping-sainsburys-house/

I think the mum is despicable for leaving her kids alone, but reading this it seems the dad has new kids already with his new partner?? So he's brought in 4 kids within two years and then having a new family already. I'm sorry but there's been so many recent stories of child neglect, I'm fed up of reading about these people so easily able to pop a kid out and then not being interested in being present in their children's lives.

Yes he seems a loving father supposedly from what he's been quoted in the papers, but let's face it this was an avoidable tragedy and that comes down to both sets of parents ensuring their kids are in a safe environment.
 
laughing said:
Regardless if it was Christmas light or just a plain accident, She went out and left them for over an hour ( from what we know)
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Obviously but I would like to think she gets a decent charge, that will stick because to me what she has done is THE worst. She may as well of killed them herself. The moment she left those innocent babies she was allowing something bad to happen. IMO
 
savedlatin21 said:
“I can’t believe this has happened. He (Dalton) would have been over in a shot if she (Deveca) needed someone to look after the boys.

“He really loved them as he does the children he has with his new partner.” - https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/17072807/sutton-fire-shopping-sainsburys-house/

I think the mum is despicable for leaving her kids alone, but reading this it seems the dad has new kids already with his new partner?? So he's brought in 4 kids within two years and then having a new family already. I'm sorry but there's been so many recent stories of child neglect, I'm fed up of reading about these people so easily able to pop a kid out and then not being interested in being present in their children's lives.

Yes he seems a loving father supposedly from what he's been quoted in the papers, but let's face it this was an avoidable tragedy and that comes down to both sets of parents ensuring their kids are in a safe environment.
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Maybe this guy needs to stop reproducing and look after the kids he already has. Did he know they had no heating? Did he check up on them?

I don’t want to shift blame but did the mother feel like there was a reason she couldn’t ask her children’s dad to watch them?
 
Nah, whatever the Dads situation is, the mother was responsible for the kids as their sole carer. In the immediate case, she is entirely to blame.

I'm sure she had a mate. Or some family. Someone who could have watched the kids. You dont go out for that long and leave such young kids alone. Bullshit. She failed them kids. Literally no excuse good enough for leaving them alone. For 10 seconds or an hour.
 
Begborrowsteal said:
Nah, whatever the Dads situation is, the mother was responsible for the kids as their sole carer. In the immediate case, she is entirely to blame.

I'm sure she had a mate. Or some family. Someone who could have watched the kids. You dont go out for that long and leave such young kids alone. Bullshit. She failed them kids. Literally no excuse good enough for leaving them alone. For 10 seconds or an hour.
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I agree she’s their sole carer but he is still their father and has an equal responsibility. Maybe not legally, but ethically those are his children.

Either way, these children were failed. In every sense of the word :(
 
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Scorpihoe said:
I agree she’s their sole carer but he is still there father and has an equal responsibility. Maybe not legally, but ethically those are his children.

Either way, these children were failed. In every sense of the word :(
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Who knows what the relationship was like between the Dad and the mum, how involved they were, how much he knew etc. Thats why, as their sole carer, the responsibility lies with her. They lived with her and she chose to walk out of that house leaving them alone. She can live with that guilt, absolute bleep.
 
Is it definitely the mother who has been arrested. I was reading a newspaper where they named the mother but then went on to say a 27 year old woman has been arrested? I hope there is a ‘reasonable’ explanation as to why they were left alone.
RIP to those poor little boys, they must’ve been terrified in their last moments
 
BigBrenda said:
It’s not a bad area, where she lives you’ve got a big tower block zero problems from it. The block is filled with families all 2 bedroom flats. It’s a very safe area and the schools are outstanding. Sutton is a great place to live in and every one looks out for one another. For example the man in the shop will let you take what you need and you pay later it’s like that. I’ve cut through that part most nights for 7 years and never had an issue. If she needed someone to watch the kids any one would of done it. We all mind each other’s kids and lend each other things. Just will be one of those things I don’t think anyone will ever be able to come to terms with, because it was completely avoidable 😭


Sorry meant to say behind her house you’ve got a block of flats and across the road there’s another block of flats again very safe just very old now.
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No, Its just me. I just don’t like going out in the dark by myself down the alleyways anywhere 🙈

I don’t think the dad has done anything wrong, whether he’s gone on to have more kids or whether he wasn’t there
When I was a single parent, the last person I would ask to look after my daughter would be her dad (probably would’ve said no, didn’t mean he was a bad dad) we had our set days when he had her and I done what I needed to around that.
The kids ‘mother’ decided something else was more important than looking after the children
 
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Scorpihoe said:
Maybe this guy needs to stop reproducing and look after the kids he already has. Did he know they had no heating? Did he check up on them?
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That's exactly it. Maybe she was the primary carer and I'm making no excuses for her, but even if he's not with them all the time, his primary concern should be that his four boys under the age of 4 in a safe & loving household. That's not the case if they were found wearing coats due to no heating. And if she left them for that long unattended it wouldn't have been the first time. Where was his involvement?
 
savedlatin21 said:
That's exactly it. Maybe she was the primary carer and I'm making no excuses for her, but even if he's not with them all the time, his primary concern should be that his four boys under the age of 4 in a safe & loving household. That's not the case if they were found wearing coats due to no heating. And if she left them for that long unattended it wouldn't have been the first time. Where was his involvement?
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Why are you blaming him? Maybe he thought they were being properly looked after by their primary caregiver? Why would he know they are at home alone? Why would he know they have no heating? His involvement could have been every weekend, like a lot of dads who aren’t with the mum?
 
savedlatin21 said:
That's exactly it. Maybe she was the primary carer and I'm making no excuses for her, but even if he's not with them all the time, his primary concern should be that his four boys under the age of 4 in a safe & loving household. That's not the case if they were found wearing coats due to no heating. And if she left them for that long unattended it wouldn't have been the first time. Where was his involvement?
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I totally agree with you. Even if he only had them on the weekend, why was he not asking questions such as “how are you at home with your mum?” “What did you eat for dinner?”. 3 and 4 year olds talk, without thinking, if he asked the right questions, maybe he could have realised they were cold at home and their “mum” was leaving them alone often.

I find it very hard to believe he had absolutely no inkling that something was wrong or there was some neglect in the entire 4 years those kids lived.

Yes, she left them alone that night and yes she is entirely to blame. But could more have been done here to save them and realise the neglect that was going on? Yes
 
Scorpihoe said:
I totally agree with you. Even if he only had them on the weekend, why was he not asking questions such as “how are you at home with your mum?” “What did you eat for dinner?”. 3 and 4 year olds talk, without thinking, if he asked the right questions, maybe he could have realised they were cold at home and their “mum” was leaving them alone often.

I find it very hard to believe he had absolutely no inkling that something was wrong or there was some neglect in the entire 4 years those kids lived.

Yes, she left them alone that night and yes she is entirely to blame. But could more have been done here to save them and realise the neglect that was going on? Yes
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No! This is absolutely ridiculous
Not all children talk. They might not have wanted to get mum into trouble. They might not have known she was going out
My daughter barely spoke to me about what she got up to at that age. All I needed to know was if she had a nice time and had eaten.
Would I question my stepson about what he was up to while at his mums? No!
 
I am going to reserve judgement on both parents until I know more. But I will say a dad and mum whether living together or not have equal responsibility to ensure their children are in a safe environment.

From the photographs the children do look well nourished, clean and dressed nicely.
 
Jellybean093 said:
No! This is absolutely ridiculous
Not all children talk. They might not have wanted to get mum into trouble. They might not have known she was going out
My daughter barely spoke to me about what she got up to at that age. All I needed to know was if she had a nice time and had eaten.
Would I question my stepson about what he was up to while at his mums? No!
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I didn’t say all children talk. I said if the dad asked the right questions maybe he would have realised there was more going on (obviously only if the children did talk). It doesn’t take a genius to work out a single mum of 4 kids under 5 would probably have her hands full and needs childcare often. Did he offer a lot? There is no excuse whatsoever for her leaving them home alone, but I really think in the whole 4 years the kids were alive, did he really have no clue? Not just having them on the weekends (if he even did), but recognising signs. You said you ask your daughter if she had a nice time and had eaten - did the dad ask these questions?

he may have no legal responsibility, but he did ethically and he is still their father. I guess I’m just trying to see why no one close to the boys realised that they were cold at home and left alone, probably often.

The mother however, made the choice to leave them alone that night. There were a million other ways - leave them with a neighbour/friend/granddad/their dad, bring the boys with her, sure they might have been a handful but it beats anything happening awful to them at home.
 
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