Two sets of twins killed in fire- mum arrested for neglect

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Scorpihoe said:
I didn’t say all children talk. I said if the dad asked the right questions maybe he would have realised there was more going on (obviously only if the children did talk). It doesn’t take a genius to work out a single mum of 4 kids under 5 would probably have her hands full and needs childcare often. Did he offer a lot? There is no excuse whatsoever for her leaving them home alone, but I really think in the whole 4 years the kids were alive, did he really have no clue? Not just having them on the weekends (if he even did), but recognising signs. You said you ask your daughter if she had a nice time and had eaten - did the dad ask these questions?

he may have no legal responsibility, but he did ethically and he is still their father. I guess I’m just trying to see why no one close to the boys realised that they were cold at home and left alone, probably often.

The mother however, made the choice to leave them alone that night. There were a million other ways - leave them with a neighbour/friend/granddad/their dad, bring the boys with her, sure they might have been a handful but it beats anything happening awful to them at home.
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No, her dad has never asked them questions, unless he was picking her up and I would let him know if she’s had dinner or not. There has never been any need to ask them sort of questions as he knows I look after her well.
When I was alone, I had to sort out my own childcare when working. Maybe that’s how we worked things out, but I had parental responsibility with him having weekends
 
But his parental responsibility doesn’t just stop after he’s dropped them back off to their mums? It extends past the “weekend” he has them, and extends to their whole life - including their well-being at their mums.

yes your child’s dad may know she is well looked after, but did the boys father here know that?

Nobody here is denying the mother is 100% to blame because she left them alone. There’s no going around that. But my point is - are others to blame too? Did no one notice they were cold or left alone for periods of time?
 
Scorpihoe said:
But his parental responsibility doesn’t just stop after he’s dropped them back off to their mums? It extends past the “weekend” he has them, and extends to their whole life - including their well-being at their mums.

yes your child’s dad may know she is well looked after, but did the boys father here know that?

Nobody here is denying the mother is 100% to blame because she left them alone. There’s no going around that. But my point is - are others to blame too? Did no one notice they were cold or left alone for periods of time?
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I think with some dads, parental responsibility stops when the kids are dropped Back to their mums, however mums are different. Obviously this is my opinion though!
 
Jellybean093 said:
I think with some dads, parental responsibility stops when the kids are dropped Back to their mums, however mums are different. Obviously this is my opinion though!
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I agree, I know it’s hard, the dad had other kids too and as it’s mentioned above he was banned from seeing them, but he did try. So it sounds like he was really being there

I just keep thinking in hindsight and wishing someone just knew they were alone, knew they were cold…just anything. I haven’t stopped thinking about this since I read the news
 
Poor little angels, it’s an absolute horrible tragedy that befell them. The mother if in her right mind must have left them alone before this if she was comfortable to leave them for such a long time. I can’t believe if you were going leave your children alone for a trip to the shop that you would go for as long as she did.

Surely you would have too much anxiety unless you knew they’d been ok been left before? Were they locked into the bedroom? I know my young child can open doors so the fact they were all found in a back bedroom makes me think she locked them in to prevent them wandering. I really hope the smoke got to them first ❤

Rest in peace Boys ❤️
 
For all the speculation, guesswork, 'I know a friend of someone' etc - nobody apart from the mother and possibly the boyfriend knows what really happened. The truth (whatever that truth is) will out in the end. There will be experienced professionals investigating this, and I am sure they'll leave no stone unturned.

For now, let's say a prayer for each of those beautiful boys and hold our precious children closer to us.
 
Begborrowsteal said:
It has never entered my head. A woman I know left hers to go to the shop and I did tell her off. Its just not ok.
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Same here. Some People locally have been giving the lady sympathy and saying oh you know It’s hard having 4 under 5 etc you Just never think things like this could happen. But the thing is things like this DO happen, so you shouldn’t do it at all? It’s crazy how some people need to be told.
 
BigBrenda said:
Same here. Some People locally have been giving the lady sympathy and saying oh you know It’s hard having 4 under 5 etc you Just never think things like this could happen. But the thing is things like this DO happen, so you shouldn’t do it at all? It’s crazy how some people need to be told.
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No Brenda, I think people were waiting to hear the full facts. I have never left either of my boys and never will but I possess empathy and an ability to TRY and walk someone else’s shoes before I pass judgement without being in receipt of all the facts. Knowing what I know now, she can rot. And she was a stoner, if anyone else wanted to know that as an extra piece of information. She smoked a LOT of weed.

just to clarify once more with feeling I do not need to be told NOT to leave my children.

emm said:
apparently the case won't be until mid January, seems a long time for such an awful situation
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It’s bail
 
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