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I watched the Prince Philip programme on YouTube. Lady Louise seems to be considered an adult member of the family now as she was talking on camera along with the rest of her cousins - individually as well as with her parents - whereas her younger brother was not, the only grandchild not to appear. She appeared very at ease.
 
I watched the Prince Philip programme on YouTube. Lady Louise seems to be considered an adult member of the family now as she was talking on camera along with the rest of her cousins - individually as well as with her parents - whereas her younger brother was not, the only grandchild not to appear. She appeared very at ease.
Interesting take, because I thought she seemed a bit tense. It was her first big tv thing, and she did great non the less. But I found it very sweet that she and her grandfather built such a bond to each other. Especially as she is much younger than the other grandchildren. It sounded very sincere and I am surprised that he seems to have really found lots of time for them.
 
My thoughts on whether Kate was “prepped” to take on the role is, I’m fairly certain she wasn’t. I think as far as the royal family are concerned, unless you have an engagement ring on your finger you’re not a serious candidate. Belle Robinson (owner of jigsaw, and where Kate worked) basically said as didn’t get much support outside of press emergencies in an interview in 2008.

in the early days of their relationship, they moved to Anglesey for a period. William worked and Kate… played house. She was reported to be spotted doing the weekly shop around Anglesey.

I very much get the sense that Kate is a homebody. She was never interested in a career. She moved to Anglesey because that’s where Wills was working. I think her life ambition was to be a stay at home mum.

she has a brief stint at Jigsaw (from 2006-2008) but I think that was very much a PR exercise in response to accusations of “waity Katey” and laziness.


My thoughts on whether Kate was “prepped” to take on the role is, I’m fairly certain she wasn’t. I think as far as the royal family are concerned, unless you have an engagement ring on your finger you’re not a serious candidate. Belle Robinson (owner of jigsaw, and where Kate worked) basically said in an interview in 2008.

in the early days of their relationship, they moved to Anglesey for a period. William worked and Kate… played house. She was reported to be spotted doing the weekly shop around Anglesey.

I very much get the sense that Kate is a homebody. She was never interested in a career. She moved to Anglesey because that’s where Wills was working. I think her life ambition was to be a stay at home mum.

she has a brief stint at Jigsaw, but I think that was very much a PR exercise in response to accusations of “waity Katey” and laziness.

also regarding payments of the elephants…elephangs without borders list Disney among their “donors, partners and institutions which have been instrumental in allowing us to continue with our important projects”.

the inference is there. But there isn’t any direct confirmation Disney paid them anything. Let’s not forget Disney has been ventured massively into the world of wildlife documentaries and conservation. That is entirely separate to what work they do with Meghan.

Likewise, Elephags without borders thanked Meghan *for her contribution to the film*, because it highlighted issues and brought them to a global audience. There is no reference to her making a donation, or anyone making a donation on her behalf.

I can understand why they wouldn’t want to be explicit about the donation but crucially, Megan’s involvement was the subject of much controversy

In July 2019, Meghan and Harry attended the Disney “Lion King” premiere in London. This was reputedly instead of attending a marine memorial event that had been on the court circular.

fast forward to January 2020. The now infamous video of Harry with Meghan at said premiere was reported on widely. It’s pretty awkward watching and seems like Harry is using the opportunity to get Meghan voiceover work.

the Guardian reported in its review that Meghan recorded the documentary in Autumn 2019. A few months after the Lion King premiere pitch for work.

Now, in light of the fact that they passed over a marines memorial (of which Harry was Captain General), and arguable exploited the opportunity to get work for Meghan, a huge fuss was made of the fact she wouldn’t profit from it financially. It was a charitable endeavour.

The fact it was a charitable effort is the one thing that made the above saga, “above board”.

You’d think then, that Meghan would be absolutely vocal and explicit about the money donated. She’d want confirmation that this was the case and probably the amount too.

it strikes me as very odd that this isn’t the case. I’m not sure I’m convinced the charitable donation in lieu of payment happened in the way initially seemed.
 
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My thoughts on whether Kate was “prepped” to take on the role is, I’m fairly certain she wasn’t. I think as far as the royal family are concerned, unless you have an engagement ring on your finger you’re not a serious candidate. Belle Robinson (owner of jigsaw, and where Kate worked) basically said as didn’t get much support outside of press emergencies in an interview in 2008.

in the early days of their relationship, they moved to Anglesey for a period. William worked and Kate… played house. She was reported to be spotted doing the weekly shop around Anglesey.

I very much get the sense that Kate is a homebody. She was never interested in a career. She moved to Anglesey because that’s where Wills was working. I think her life ambition was to be a stay at home mum.

she has a brief stint at Jigsaw (from 2006-2008) but I think that was very much a PR exercise in response to accusations of “waity Katey” and laziness.


My thoughts on whether Kate was “prepped” to take on the role is, I’m fairly certain she wasn’t. I think as far as the royal family are concerned, unless you have an engagement ring on your finger you’re not a serious candidate. Belle Robinson (owner of jigsaw, and where Kate worked) basically said in an interview in 2008.

in the early days of their relationship, they moved to Anglesey for a period. William worked and Kate… played house. She was reported to be spotted doing the weekly shop around Anglesey.

I very much get the sense that Kate is a homebody. She was never interested in a career. She moved to Anglesey because that’s where Wills was working. I think her life ambition was to be a stay at home mum.

she has a brief stint at Jigsaw, but I think that was very much a PR exercise in response to accusations of “waity Katey” and laziness.

also regarding payments of the elephants…elephangs without borders list Disney among their “donors, partners and institutions which have been instrumental in allowing us to continue with our important projects”.

the inference is there. But there isn’t any direct confirmation Disney paid them anything. Let’s not forget Disney has been ventured massively into the world of wildlife documentaries and conservation. That is entirely separate to what work they do with Meghan.

Likewise, Elephags without borders thanked Meghan *for her contribution to the film*, because it highlighted issues and brought them to a global audience. There is no reference to her making a donation, or anyone making a donation on her behalf.

I can understand why they wouldn’t want to be explicit about the donation but crucially, Megan’s involvement was the subject of much controversy

In July 2019, Meghan and Harry attended the Disney “Lion King” premiere in London. This was reputedly instead of attending a marine memorial event that had been on the court circular.

fast forward to January 2020. The now infamous video of Harry with Meghan at said premiere was reported on widely. It’s pretty awkward watching and seems like Harry is using the opportunity to get Meghan voiceover work.

the Guardian reported in its review that Meghan recorded the documentary in Autumn 2019. A few months after the Lion King premiere pitch for work.

Now, in light of the fact that they passed over a marines memorial (of which Harry was Captain General), and arguable exploited the opportunity to get work for Meghan, a huge fuss was made of the fact she wouldn’t profit from it financially. It was a charitable endeavour.

The fact it was a charitable effort is the one thing that made the above saga, “above board”.

You’d think then, that Meghan would be absolutely vocal and explicit about the money donated. She’d want confirmation that this was the case and probably the amount too.

it strikes me as very odd that this isn’t the case. I’m not sure I’m convinced the charitable donation in lieu of payment happened in the way initially seemed.

Hi that1,

this is a very balanced comment and absolutely aligned with my thinking.

Ta
 
My thoughts on whether Kate was “prepped” to take on the role is, I’m fairly certain she wasn’t. I think as far as the royal family are concerned, unless you have an engagement ring on your finger you’re not a serious candidate. Belle Robinson (owner of jigsaw, and where Kate worked) basically said as didn’t get much support outside of press emergencies in an interview in 2008.

in the early days of their relationship, they moved to Anglesey for a period. William worked and Kate… played house. She was reported to be spotted doing the weekly shop around Anglesey.

I very much get the sense that Kate is a homebody. She was never interested in a career. She moved to Anglesey because that’s where Wills was working. I think her life ambition was to be a stay at home mum.

she has a brief stint at Jigsaw (from 2006-2008) but I think that was very much a PR exercise in response to accusations of “waity Katey” and laziness.


My thoughts on whether Kate was “prepped” to take on the role is, I’m fairly certain she wasn’t. I think as far as the royal family are concerned, unless you have an engagement ring on your finger you’re not a serious candidate. Belle Robinson (owner of jigsaw, and where Kate worked) basically said in an interview in 2008.

in the early days of their relationship, they moved to Anglesey for a period. William worked and Kate… played house. She was reported to be spotted doing the weekly shop around Anglesey.

I very much get the sense that Kate is a homebody. She was never interested in a career. She moved to Anglesey because that’s where Wills was working. I think her life ambition was to be a stay at home mum.

she has a brief stint at Jigsaw, but I think that was very much a PR exercise in response to accusations of “waity Katey” and laziness.

also regarding payments of the elephants…elephangs without borders list Disney among their “donors, partners and institutions which have been instrumental in allowing us to continue with our important projects”.

the inference is there. But there isn’t any direct confirmation Disney paid them anything. Let’s not forget Disney has been ventured massively into the world of wildlife documentaries and conservation. That is entirely separate to what work they do with Meghan.

Likewise, Elephags without borders thanked Meghan *for her contribution to the film*, because it highlighted issues and brought them to a global audience. There is no reference to her making a donation, or anyone making a donation on her behalf.

I can understand why they wouldn’t want to be explicit about the donation but crucially, Megan’s involvement was the subject of much controversy

In July 2019, Meghan and Harry attended the Disney “Lion King” premiere in London. This was reputedly instead of attending a marine memorial event that had been on the court circular.

fast forward to January 2020. The now infamous video of Harry with Meghan at said premiere was reported on widely. It’s pretty awkward watching and seems like Harry is using the opportunity to get Meghan voiceover work.

the Guardian reported in its review that Meghan recorded the documentary in Autumn 2019. A few months after the Lion King premiere pitch for work.

Now, in light of the fact that they passed over a marines memorial (of which Harry was Captain General), and arguable exploited the opportunity to get work for Meghan, a huge fuss was made of the fact she wouldn’t profit from it financially. It was a charitable endeavour.

The fact it was a charitable effort is the one thing that made the above saga, “above board”.

You’d think then, that Meghan would be absolutely vocal and explicit about the money donated. She’d want confirmation that this was the case and probably the amount too.

it strikes me as very odd that this isn’t the case. I’m not sure I’m convinced the charitable donation in lieu of payment happened in the way initially seemed.
I'm not sure why they have this obsession ( them and the press) with everything they do having to be charitable. If they want to be self sufficient, then they have to work for renumeration. I give money to charity if I want and have the money, but I don't give my entire salary to charity and then ask for money to live on from my parents! Agree that if they say everything is going to charity, it should, but they shouldn't need to give ( or pretend to give) every single penny to charity.
 
I'm not sure why they have this obsession ( them and the press) with everything they do having to be charitable. If they want to be self sufficient, then they have to work for renumeration. I give money to charity if I want and have the money, but I don't give my entire salary to charity and then ask for money to live on from my parents! Agree that if they say everything is going to charity, it should, but they shouldn't need to give ( or pretend to give) every single penny to charity.

its how they justify their position.

the royal family hold huge influence. Not just in terms of literal political power, but in soft power. They are a very well established brand in essence, with strong ties to national identity.

but modern society doesn’t really believe in a lot of the justifications that traditionally supported a royal family.

we aren’t as into organised religion as we once were. We don’t believe in god ordained right to rule.

we are significantly more socialist. We fund endeavours like the NHS, social welfare and community projects which are are their core, pretty socialist.

society in the U.K. increasingly is supportive of meritocracy - the idea that you should be aware for your controbution and talent, not because of the station in life you were born into. We believe in social mobility and actively encourage it. Gone are the days when you’d be expected to embrace your station in life because that’s where God put you, and gone are the days you’d learn your fathers trade and follow his footsteps like the X number of generations before you.

The royal family are clutching at straws to justify their existence and yes, obscene wealth. One way to do this is to adopt “patronage’s” of charities.

because it’s hard to critique someone if they are using their influence for “good” and to raise the profile of charities.

the royal PR machine is a well oiled one. They know this to be true. And they conveniently leave out how good charity work is for the royal image in return.

I don't see anything nefarious in what happened with the Elephant charity so lets agree to disagree.

Anyways, moving on I don't know if anyone has posted this but an Insta influencer uploaded a video of Kate coming back from that enagagment she did two days ago. I was surprised at how open to the public the back of Kensington Palace was.



that girl is weirdly obsessed with the royal family. She’s an influencer who has posted about them So many times.
 
I'm not sure why they have this obsession ( them and the press) with everything they do having to be charitable. If they want to be self sufficient, then they have to work for renumeration. I give money to charity if I want and have the money, but I don't give my entire salary to charity and then ask for money to live on from my parents! Agree that if they say everything is going to charity, it should, but they shouldn't need to give ( or pretend to give) every single penny to charity.
I think the problem, especially with Meghan given the press around here, is that many people think that their status could be used to get better jobs than they would ever be considered for

I’m sure it happens all the time but the RF is hardly just a random person who happens to be rich or a celebrity. We also don’t see Royals as ‘normal celebrities’ who specialise in a select area of entertainment

I wonder if this would transfer to more every-day jobs too, but I think the illusion that their status has nothing to do with the role they hold could be upheld much better
 
its how they justify their position.

the royal family hold huge influence. Not just in terms of literal political power, but in soft power. They are a very well established brand in essence, with strong ties to national identity.
Oh I'm talking about Harry and Meghan! I agree the Royals justify their receiving public money and their existence by doing charitable works, but H &M should be doing stuff with Disney and Netflix and whatever to pay for themselves.
 
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It explains perfectly. The deal was that Disney give a check directly to the charity a check in lieu of payment to Meghan.

The 3 million figure was plucked out of nowhere by the tabloids. We don't know exactly how much was negotiated but we know it was a significant amount because the charity listed Disney as one of their biggest donors that year: https://elephantswithoutborders.org/about-us/funding/



I saw some pics of Judi Dench opening the show. I think only Sophie, Edward and Anne have been.

What does this mean?



But how do we know that Disney wouldn't have given a substantial check to the charity elephants without borders in any case? If Disney are moving into filming and screening animal documentaries, then they would probably be giving large donations /payments in any case. It is also a good move in connection with their animal parks in their Disney world theme parks, to be seen to promote animal charities. And maybe a good tax evasion move? (In the UK Charitable donations by big businesses, can be deducted from their tax, No idea if this is the same in the USA but i imagine it would be similar?)

The issue as someone else said, is that Meghan was supposed to have done the voice over as a charity venture, but no specific monies seem to have been passed to the charity in her name.
So how can anyone know if it is true that Meghan negotiated a fee from Disney that was then paid to the Charity?

Or Maybe Disney are the ones at fault here, for absorbing the monies they would have paid for a voice over artist into their own profits. Maybe Disney were the ones who neglected to pay the charity on Meghan's behalf?
 
But how do we know that Disney wouldn't have given a substantial check to the charity elephants without borders in any case? If Disney are moving into filming and screening animal documentaries, then they would probably be giving large donations /payments in any case. It is also a good move in connection with their animal parks in their Disney world theme parks, to be seen to promote animal charities. And maybe a good tax evasion move? (In the UK Charitable donations by big businesses, can be deducted from their tax, No idea if this is the same in the USA but i imagine it would be similar?)

The issue as someone else said, is that Meghan was supposed to have done the voice over as a charity venture, but no specific monies seem to have been passed to the charity in her name.
So how can anyone know if it is true that Meghan negotiated a fee from Disney that was then paid to the Charity?

Or Maybe Disney are the ones at fault here, for absorbing the monies they would have paid for a voice over artist into their own profits. Maybe Disney were the ones who neglected to pay the charity on Meghan's behalf?
But really, that is between the charity and Disney. They got the voice-over and said they would donate it. We will never know if Disney would have donated anyway, because that's an alternative universe, where Meghan didn't do a voice-over. The fact is she did a voice-over and money was given to the elephants. If they are no longer working Royals, which they arent, then it's not really our concern. Its a contract between 3 individual private groups. If anything, she should have been paid for her work if they weren't going to donate, so she has been wronged, not the wider public.
 
But really, that is between the charity and Disney. They got the voice-over and said they would donate it. We will never know if Disney would have donated anyway, because that's an alternative universe, where Meghan didn't do a voice-over. The fact is she did a voice-over and money was given to the elephants. If they are no longer working Royals, which they arent, then it's not really our concern. Its a contract between 3 individual private groups. If anything, she should have been paid for her work if they weren't going to donate, so she has been wronged, not the wider public.

its not a fact that money was given to elephants, by Disney or anyone.

if you check elephants without borders website, the list Disney among their sponsors, donors and basically people who promote their work.

Disney could easily fall into this category by pure virtue of doing a documentary on the elephants anyway. Unless anyone has a statement from Elephangs Without Borders elsewhere confirming they received a donation, it isn’t fact.

Oh I'm talking about Harry and Meghan! I agree the Royals justify their receiving public money and their existence by doing charitable works, but H &M should be doing stuff with Disney and Netflix and whatever to pay for themselves.

thats kinda tricky though isn’t it!

they can’t really accept money from the Duchy of Cornwall or similar… they aren’t working royals.

but equally all endeavours they engage in benefit hugely from their link to the royal family. Harry isn’t qualified for much, he left school without much in the way of qualifications. Meghan didn’t earn mega bucks as an actress.
 
its not a fact that money was given to elephants, by Disney or anyone.

if you check elephants without borders website, the list Disney among their sponsors, donors and basically people who promote their work.

Disney could easily fall into this category by pure virtue of doing a documentary on the elephants anyway. Unless anyone has a statement from Elephangs Without Borders elsewhere confirming they received a donation, it isn’t fact.



thats kinda tricky though isn’t it!

they can’t really accept money from the Duchy of Cornwall or similar… they aren’t working royals.

but equally all endeavours they engage in benefit hugely from their link to the royal family. Harry isn’t qualified for much, he left school without much in the way of qualifications. Meghan didn’t earn mega bucks as an actress.
That's what I mean. They need to support themselves, and if Netflix andcwhoever want to pay them, then great. We don't have to. I dontvsee why they should not profit from.doing things for private companies. All the Royal hangers on profit from being Royals. Who would pay Peter Phillips to advertise milk if he wasn't a Royal? Do we really think the York girls would have got jobs which allow them to be on holiday for half the year if they weren't Royal? I doubt it. Being Ryal is all they have goingvfor them. God knows they weren't gifted with brains or looks!
 
I absolutely agree that H&M should be paid for their work and then pay for their life, staff, security and whatever is left they can give away or invest or whatever.
I do wonder though what work they do that they get actually paid for. Those producing deals are great but a big chunk of the money would go back into actually producing something. Their charity stunts mostly involved giving money away and not fundraising. They did the vaccination thing (or more joined an already running scheme) but that’s about the only thing that worked outside their own pocket. The Bench wasn’t a big success and it think parts of it went to charity as well.
So, while I see lots of money going out and work without being paid for, I do wonder how they finance themselves, staff and their ventures. Maybe H‘s inheritance is invested in a great scheme and they can life of the interest? A bit like trust fund babies? I mean, good for them if so, who wouldn’t love to have that kind of cushion. It would definitely explain how they balance their expenses.
Whatever they do though, crying that Daddy decided not to finance their new life and financial freedom any longer while giving money away and sitting on a several million pound inheritance and publicly talking bad about him was really eye opening to their entitlement. Every normal person would have died of embarrassment. Especially after buying a big ass multimillion dollar villa. You might think that in secret but realise no one is taking it for anything else than being a petulant brat.
 
I absolutely agree that H&M should be paid for their work and then pay for their life, staff, security and whatever is left they can give away or invest or whatever.
I do wonder though what work they do that they get actually paid for. Those producing deals are great but a big chunk of the money would go back into actually producing something. Their charity stunts mostly involved giving money away and not fundraising. They did the vaccination thing (or more joined an already running scheme) but that’s about the only thing that worked outside their own pocket. The Bench wasn’t a big success and it think parts of it went to charity as well.
So, while I see lots of money going out and work without being paid for, I do wonder how they finance themselves, staff and their ventures. Maybe H‘s inheritance is invested in a great scheme and they can life of the interest? A bit like trust fund babies? I mean, good for them if so, who wouldn’t love to have that kind of cushion. It would definitely explain how they balance their expenses.
Whatever they do though, crying that Daddy decided not to finance their new life and financial freedom any longer while giving money away and sitting on a several million pound inheritance and publicly talking bad about him was really eye opening to their entitlement. Every normal person would have died of embarrassment. Especially after buying a big ass multimillion dollar villa. You might think that in secret but realise no one is taking it for anything else than being a petulant brat.
Totally agree with you. Want to be self sufficient? Good. Knock yourself out. If some big businesses want to buy what you're selling, even better. But that goes both ways. People can't criticise them for being self funding if they are indeed self funding or are investing inheritances. I also agree it was a bad look to whine on Oprah about not having security paid. Self sufficient means self sufficient. Also the titles. I had far more respect for them when I thought they had turned down titles for Archie than I did when they moaned about it. It made them look silly.
If you aren't interested in them, don't comment on them or talk about them. The only reason they are in the papers all the time is because the British press are obsessed with trawling their Instagram to write stories about them, and they do that because they know they drive traffic onto the site.
 
That's what I mean. They need to support themselves, and if Netflix andcwhoever want to pay them, then great. We don't have to. I dontvsee why they should not profit from.doing things for private companies. All the Royal hangers on profit from being Royals. Who would pay Peter Phillips to advertise milk if he wasn't a Royal? Do we really think the York girls would have got jobs which allow them to be on holiday for half the year if they weren't Royal? I doubt it. Being Ryal is all they have goingvfor them. God knows they weren't gifted with brains or looks!

If you look at a show like Made in Chelsea, there is and has always been a layer of children of aristocracy and rich parents, who were born with a silver spoon in their mouth that means they never really ever have to work.

These young people arent royal, but they were born into ridiculously rich families. Families that can pay for the internships in places like Christies or prestigious art galleries or companies, Families that can buy their children a flat in Chelsea or Mayfair, so its not just about being born into a royal family!
 
I wonder why they always pick so unflattering pictures of MM - are there no better ones?
She looks like she just got out of bed in this red oversized pyjama and her bed hair 🙈

https://www.12ft.io/https://www.dai...tel-day-two-three-day-New-York-City-tour.html
 
But how do we know that Disney wouldn't have given a substantial check to the charity elephants without borders in any case? If Disney are moving into filming and screening animal documentaries, then they would probably be giving large donations /payments in any case. It is also a good move in connection with their animal parks in their Disney world theme parks, to be seen to promote animal charities. And maybe a good tax evasion move? (In the UK Charitable donations by big businesses, can be deducted from their tax, No idea if this is the same in the USA but i imagine it would be similar?)

The issue as someone else said, is that Meghan was supposed to have done the voice over as a charity venture, but no specific monies seem to have been passed to the charity in her name.
So how can anyone know if it is true that Meghan negotiated a fee from Disney that was then paid to the Charity?

Or Maybe Disney are the ones at fault here, for absorbing the monies they would have paid for a voice over artist into their own profits. Maybe Disney were the ones who neglected to pay the charity on Meghan's behalf?

I don't understand your point here, are you worried Meghan worked for free? I also couldn't care less if Disney are donating for tax breaks as long as they donate.

edit: Also let me state the obvious, for those that still doubt the charity recieved the money, (even though the charity listed Disney as having made a donation on their site), you don't think that the charity would let the press know if they didn't recieve the check they were promised?

I wonder why they always pick so unflattering pictures of MM - are there no better ones?
She looks like she just got out of bed in this red oversized pyjama and her bed hair 🙈

https://www.12ft.io/https://www.dai...tel-day-two-three-day-New-York-City-tour.html

It's the Daily Mail, I think we all know why they pick the most unflattering pics.
 
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It's the Daily Mail, I think we all know why they pick the most unflattering pics.

But it is a bit funny that H and M "tour NY" as if they would still be Royal. What was the school visit about. Why did they go there?
Did they donate?
And then she read from the Bench book 😂 As if any of the kids would get this book at home.
The book choice was as wrong as her clothes. She is pretty tone deaf. I am sure she meant well.

Duno who told Meghan that she suits polo necks

Maybe because they are useful to hide hickeys? 🙈
 
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