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He should keep out of it
He should. Its not a State funeral and he wasn't a Head of State, plus with COVID restrictions it should be family only. I expect that's what it will be.

Yup, 24 with the four children plus spouses, eight grandchildren on their own, five Kents, two Gloucesters and two Armstrong-Jones. Possibly DssofCa as a future queen. Then you've got Lady Pamela Hicks and other Mountbatten cousins, plus the Crown Prince and Princess of Greece live in London.

I wonder if they'll go down the route of a memorial service later? He has nieces and nephews plus their children in Germany through his sisters, cousins in Spain, Denmark, Greece, Romania and Serbia. The Russian RF may want to pay respects too as his great aunt was the last Tsarina.
Will they only do grandchildren and not grandchildrens spouses? Meghan cant go, but Kate, Mike Tindall and the York sisters husbands would make 28. My husband didn't go to my grandmothers funeral, nor were my cousins spouses, and it wasnt restricted, only by children needing to be looked after.
 
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He should. Its not a State funeral and he wasn't a Head of State, plus with COVID restrictions it should be family only. I expect that's what it will be.


Will they only do grandchildren and not grandchildrens spouses? Meghan cant go, but Kate, Mike Tindall and the York sisters husbands would make 28. My husband didn't go to my grandmothers funeral, nor were my cousins spouses, and it wasnt restricted, only by children needing to be looked after.
Maybe it wont include spouses or children, that should cut some numbers down.
 
But it was never said that his pacemaker was infected and I don't remember a single article saying that.
Only "pre-existing heart condition (which required the OP)" and "infection".
Sorry, I didn't make my point clear. I was replying to a poster who questioned why he would be given an op at 99, when this would have placed an undue stress on his body. The point I was making was that it was initially reported by BP that he had a 'cardiac procedure'. This could include angiograms, stenting, pacemaker fitting, pacemaker wire replacements etc. none of which are operations, just routine procedures. It was only later, that the media starting referring to it as an operation, which goes against BPs initial statement. Similarly, the media tend to confuse heart attacks and cardiac arrests which are again, 2 vastly different medical conditions.

I agree, it has not been stated that he had a pacemaker wire replaced, but at the time, alongside reports of an unidentified infection, (whereas they have reported specifically chest infections and urinary tract infections for PP in the past) and a longstanding heart condition (Bradycardia or AF which likely would have required a pacemaker at his age) it was a clinical likelihood on my part, given the information at the time. I apologise that I should have made this clearer.

Ultimately, the point I was making is that as BP referred to it as a procedure, it was unlikely to be anything major which would have required considerable reserves that PP no longer had, and that the press had been using poetic licence in describing it as an op.
 
I expect Kate to be there, she's senior and has known Phil for a while.
Mike T has also been in the family as long as K, I'd expect him to be there as well.

Imo the only "wild cards" are Bea's and Eug's husbands, as they are the newest members of the family and possibly didn't know Phil all that well, so might give their place(s) to someone who's been closer to Phil.

Sorry, I didn't make my point clear. I was replying to a poster who questioned why he would be given an op at 99, when this would have placed an undue stress on his body. The point I was making was that it was initially reported by BP that he had a 'cardiac procedure'. This could include angiograms, stenting, pacemaker fitting, pacemaker wire replacements etc. none of which are operations, just routine procedures. It was only later, that the media starting referring to it as an operation, which goes against BPs initial statement. Similarly, the media tend to confuse heart attacks and cardiac arrests which are again, 2 vastly different medical conditions.

I agree, it has not been stated that he had a pacemaker wire replaced, but at the time, alongside reports of an unidentified infection, (whereas they have reported specifically chest infections and urinary tract infections for PP in the past) and a longstanding heart condition (Bradycardia or AF which likely would have required a pacemaker at his age) it was a clinical likelihood on my part, given the information at the time. I apologise that I should have made this clearer.

Ultimately, the point I was making is that as BP referred to it as a procedure, it was unlikely to be anything major which would have required considerable reserves that PP no longer had, and that the press had been using poetic licence in describing it as an op.
Thank you for your post, well explained.
I think you're quite right.

I noticed media using "heart attacks" and "cardiac arrests" almost interchangeably, or so it seems to me, which drives me up the wall, indeed two totally different things.
 
Yup, sod BoJo. Philip actually didn't have any constitutional standing except as consort. His death doesn't affect the ship of state.

Far better to include his family. After his mother was committed, his father had abandoned the family and his sisters married, the Mountbatten uncles brought Philip up. First Lord Milford-Haven, then Lord Louis/Earl Mountbatten after his brother's death. Any surviving cousins such as Lady Pamela must have seen Philip almost as a sibling a few years older.

Lady Pamela was on itv the other night for a documentary about HM. I’d never heard of her before, but she seemed incredibly close to HM and Philip, so probably did see him as a sibling. She seemed much closer to him than I imagine some of the Queens cousins and their partners were.
 
Thank you for your post, well explained.
I think you're quite right.

I noticed media using "heart attacks" and "cardiac arrests" almost interchangeably, or so it seems to me, which drives me up the wall, indeed two totally different things.
Thank you, and yes, I had to restrain myself from not harping on at length re media using medical terminology interchangeably and incorrectly 😂
 
I always think that people forget quite how much he did and how strong he was. He was the one who encouraged William to walk with him behind Diana's coffin, William wouldn't do it unless Philip was beside him. He came out of retirement to attend both Eugenie's and Beatrice's weddings. By all accounts, he was a dedicated and loving grandfather.

Believing that if William didn’t walk in the procession, it would be something the young prince would later regret, Philip said to his grandson, “If I walk, will you walk with me?” William’s trust in his grandfather was so complete that he agreed.


To me, how a man treats his family is the mark of their true behaviour.
 
@leviosa I don’t know if I would call attending your grandchildren’s weddings as coming out of retirement. And I think most people, Wiliam and Harry included, now think that walking behind the coffin through those streets was a bad idea. That was not the normal walk behind the coffin from chapel to grave. The DoE meant well and I appreciate it. He gave those boys an image that still pays off. He almost created the Diana’s boys narrative because those young children walking behind the coffin is what people remember and it planted it into their hearts. But it was damaging and haunts them (iirc that’s what both have said). Having then drive in a car and only walk when no public is around would have been a better idea. For their mental health- but in terms of PR the walk was pure gold.

I wonder how the Queen will deal with it. She is in such a special position and most of her peers are dead. To me it seems he was her only (almost) equal for her. Thankfully he lasted this long. The Crown is a lonely duty and now it must feel almost eerie. And even if they grew apart it’s hard to see your peers dying around you. The ones that experienced life with you, grew up with you, know you from when you were young. The ones you can reminiscing with. That share history. Who is she going to witch and gossip with now? Make fun of her children with? Ask for Nicola Sturgeons head (in good fun obvs)? Plot to take back the US? Wonder if anyone noticed if she replaces Boris by her Corgies? ..... that’s just how I imagine a pre-Dinner G&T between the two of them.
 
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@leviosa I don’t know if I would call attending your grandchildren’s weddings as coming out of retirement. And I think most people, Wiliam and Harry included, now think that walking behind the coffin through those streets was a bad idea. That was not the normal walk behind the coffin from chapel to grave. The DoE meant well and I appreciate it. He gave those boys an image that still pays off. He almost created the Diana’s boys narrative because those young children walking behind the coffin is what people remember and it planted it into their hearts. But it was damaging and haunts them (iirc that’s what both have said). Having then drive in a car and only walk when no public is around would have been a better idea. For their mental health- but in terms of PR the walk was pure gold.

I wonder if the Queen will deal with it. She is in such a special position and most of her peers are dead. To me it seems he was her only (almost) equal for her. Thankfully he lasted this long. The Crown is a lonely duty and now it must feel almost eerie. And even if they grew apart it’s hard to see your peers dying around you. The ones that experienced life with you, grew up with you, know you from when you were young. The ones you can reminiscing with. That share history. Who is she going to witch and gossip with now? Make fun of her children with? Ask for Nicola Sturgeons head (in good fun obvs)? Plot to take back the US? Wonder if anyone noticed if she replaces Boris by her Corgies? ..... that’s just how I imagine a pre-Dinner G&T between the two of them.

The "coming out of retirement" thing was as it was phrased in the article. Harry I think said that he was glad in the end that he'd walked behind.
 
Regarding Meghan, she’s pretty much damned either way. If she had gone, people would say she’s making the event about herself, and questioning how she could have the audacity to go after the interview. Now that she’s not going, people are accusing her of not being respectful and using the pregnancy as an excuse.

I think the wise choice was for her not to go. She was obviously not that close, and it means that someone closer than take her place at the funeral.

I don’t agree with a lot of the choices that M&H have made, but their critics have lost all credibility for me. They’re never going to do anything right in the eyes of so many. People have made their minds up so what’s the point in listening to their opinion?
 
Regarding Meghan, she’s pretty much damned either way. If she had gone, people would say she’s making the event about herself, and questioning how she could have the audacity to go after the interview. Now that she’s not going, people are accusing her of not being respectful and using the pregnancy as an excuse.

I think the wise choice was for her not to go. She was obviously not that close, and it means that someone closer than take her place at the funeral.

I don’t agree with a lot of the choices that M&H have made, but their critics have lost all credibility for me. They’re never going to do anything right in the eyes of so many. People have made their minds up so what’s the point in listening to their opinion?
I couldn’t agree more. Some of the comments are ridiculous and the Daily Mail seems intent on its relentless pursuit of her/them. Eg why should we pay for them or their security, but then printing damning headlines when they do sign contracts with Netflix etc. Can’t win.
 
I agree but l don't think Meghan will ever return to the UK. l think she has been economical with the truth and has perpetuated falsehoods via that interview - insinuating Archie didn't get a title due to race and they got married before the official ceremony for a start. I can't say l had, or have, a particularly strong opinion either way in them. It would be nice if they get on with it and were left alone, l'm tired of hearing about them.
 
I don’t blame Meghan not travelling for the funeral. She’s pregnant, experienced a miscarriage before (I believe she has) and it’s a pandemic. I wouldn’t feel comfortable flying over and that’s before you add that the newspapers would have a field day, some of the in laws would not appreciate you being there and some idiots think you’re to blame for your grandfather in law carking it? Nope! I rather stay home, maybe send some flowers and leave Harry to it. I also agree with people who say it might help Harry repair the relationship with his brother.
 
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