The Royal Family #29

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Boring Monday said:
Ouch. The Kennedy one is harsh because I thought one of the reasons they had chosen Boston was because of JFK and his forward thinking stuff?
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Okay I know I will get pelted with tomatoes for this but would Meghan's "treatment" have anything to do with the negativity that William and Kate seem to be generating in America? I have no idea but I wonder if some Americans on here could give an opinion on Meghan and her time as a royal from the other side of the pond?

I could understand the disaster in Jamaica as they came over as being very pompous in their white landrover and they just seemed to represent colonialism and Jamaica understandably wants to move on from that.
 
Boring Monday said:
Ouch. The Kennedy one is harsh because I thought one of the reasons they had chosen Boston was because of JFK and his forward thinking stuff?
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I think it was supposed to be an homage to JFK’s moonshot speech. As usual it missed the mark by a country mile, because W and K have no idea what they’re doing and don’t appear to be paying anything but lip service to the project.
 
Apparently the Kennedy/Kerry cancellations were quite last minute, which suggests to me that they could have been reacting to the Hussey fiasco (didn’t want to get drawn into a scandal - or sensed that the tour wasn’t going to go too well so decided to distance themselves?). Although I’m sure they’ll have a carefully crafted “official” reason.
 
Earthshot is a funny one because it’s hyped up to be this massive prestigious thing, but there are other foundations and companies doing the same or similar and giving out more money. There are reports that Earthshot spent £12m on fund raising and the gala/concert, when they only give out 5 x £1m. Also, for some of these projects, £1m is really not going to go that far.
And then the emphasis seems to be on William and the celebs who will be performing, rather than the actual winners of the awards. They’re desperate to whip up some “celeb glamour”, but it’s just a whole lot of noise.
I don’t think it’s been that well thought out, and it looks like a vanity project

sueh21 said:
John Kerry is ill and Caroline Kennedy arrived late due to travel delays.
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Well like I said, they will have carefully crafted their “official” reason.
 
Bringing Earthshot to another country in its second year already was a stupid move. The first time wasn’t THE big success, so giving it more time to establish itself would have been smarter. W or the people working Earthshot or both shouldn’t have rushed this. The USA were an especially bad choice. W&K need to concentrate on the UK to be honest. They will need the UKs hearts or at least their ignorance/indifference to successfully hold onto and pass the crown on to George. I mean, sure they draw more attention than C&C. But C&C are the HoS and partner. If anything they should represent the UK internationally. It’s a bit strange that they let the monarch shuffle the dirt at home while W&K and E&S jet around.
I actually think K&W would have been booed either way. And why not? They are not a foreign HoS, so don’t get the same respect (even if given through clenched teeth). They came as rich do-Gooders.
W should leave the US to his brother (not that this is going brilliantly) so to speak and rather take care of his own kingdom. You wonder if he realised that he hasn’t much to show for, nationally or internationally and now rushes what would take decades for work. And it seems he feels he has to one up his fathers success as well. That’s unnecessary though. Because that would mean George would as well and soon enough the next monarch would have to beat cancer in their own to be good enough. Scaling back but getting it right, covering the basis for long term successful…. obviously if you just started a couple of years ago that’s a bit of a sad picture.
 
Eirawen said:
Okay I know I will get pelted with tomatoes for this but would Meghan's "treatment" have anything to do with the negativity that William and Kate seem to be generating in America? I have no idea but I wonder if some Americans on here could give an opinion on Meghan and her time as a royal from the other side of the pond?

I could understand the disaster in Jamaica as they came over as being very pompous in their white landrover and they just seemed to represent colonialism and Jamaica understandably wants to move on from that.
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I have family in America and my nephew is married to an American who absolutely adores Meghan and think the RF treated her appallingly. Bought the whole Oprah thing hook line and sinker.


I know I am putting this in the most simplest terms possible but it seems to me TRF get less abuse from actual Irish people than from American Irish.
 
Great_Kate said:
Bringing Earthshot to another country in its second year already was a stupid move. The first time wasn’t THE big success, so giving it more time to establish itself would have been smarter. W or the people working Earthshot or both shouldn’t have rushed this. The USA were an especially bad choice. W&K need to concentrate on the UK to be honest. They will need the UKs hearts or at least their ignorance/indifference to successfully hold onto and pass the crown on to George. I mean, sure they draw more attention than C&C. But C&C are the HoS and partner. If anything they should represent the UK internationally. It’s a bit strange that they let the monarch shuffle the dirt at home while W&K and E&S jet around.
I actually think K&W would have been booed either way. And why not? They are not a foreign HoS, so don’t get the same respect (even if given through clenched teeth). They came as rich do-Gooders.
W should leave the US to his brother (not that this is going brilliantly) so to speak and rather take care of his own kingdom. You wonder if he realised that he hasn’t much to show for, nationally or internationally and now rushes what would take decades for work. And it seems he feels he has to one up his fathers success as well. That’s unnecessary though. Because that would mean George would as well and soon enough the next monarch would have to beat cancer in their own to be good enough. Scaling back but getting it right, covering the basis for long term successful…. obviously if you just started a couple of years ago that’s a bit of a sad picture.
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Well, if he’d put the effort in sooner, he wouldn’t have to be scrabbling about to fit 10 years worth of work into 2 months. Those indolent chickens might be coming home a bit.
 
I agree he certainly should have started work on his “legacy” before. He hasn’t got anything like the Prince’s Trust or the Duke of Edinburgh Awards, and even his mother made her mark with certain causes she believed in (and when she died she was 4 years younger than William is now). So Earthshot it is - but it’s just not really hitting the mark.
I also don’t understand his apparent obsession with making a mark in the US - William is not going to be ruling over them, after all. I would say keep it to the Commonwealth, but after that disastrous Caribbean tour a radical re-think is needed there too.
 
FenellaTheWitch said:
I have family in America and my nephew is married to an American who absolutely adores Meghan and think the RF treated her appallingly. Bought the whole Oprah thing hook line and sinker.


I know I am putting this in the most simplest terms possible but it seems to me TRF get less abuse from actual Irish people than from American Irish.
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Thanks that's a very interesting insight.
 
Mrs Fluff said:
Oh definitely.
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That is the way with all immigrant communities though. They stick to the traditions of the family at the time they left, because they don't know what it's like in the place of their parents/ grandparents now. And Boston is very Irish-American as well as being steeped in the history of the American Revolution. I think the Royals inherent laziness and envy of each other needs to be dealt with fast. I do wonder if a lot of it is to to with the Royal Court. They have caused problems for so many people going into the family, going back to Prince Philip, but reserved for the women like Diana, Fergie and Meghan. It is stuffed with aristo volunteers who think they are the guardians of the Empire or whatever. Its never a good idea if you are purporting to be a modern institution representative of everyone to surround yourself with the same type of people as you. Especially when your experience is so narrow.
 
CuriousCat92 said:
Really? What happened? I hadn’t seen this.
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They were booed by a dmattering of people at a Boston Redsox game.Mostly it was people chanting USA when they came on the screen though. I think the main issue with Earthshot is the money, as mentioned above. More money has been spent on PR than it has on prizes. Maybe if they need that much publicity it's not the right format. This and Kates Ill thought out Early Years also smacks of Palace courtiers coming up with an idea and neither of them bothering to look deeply enough into it then their PR having to move mountains to make a silk purse out of a pigs ear!
 
Mark81 said:
Except contrary to what a lot of Americans seem to think, they have no say in our monarchy.

It was obviously a racist comment, but not just that, she showed an arrogance and entitlement in invading someone's personal space by moving the hair. Nothing to do with race but I've had that done to me before in a professional environment and it's a controlling move and unacceptable. She may not have meant any malice, but it just highlights ingrained issues with many of her class and age.

I can't stand harry and meghan, and don't believe majority of what they say (mainly as so much can be fact checked) but I have no doubt there are issues in an institution like the monarchy. So far I'm disappointed in Charles as there doesn't seem to be the sweeping reform he supposedly stood for.

I hate ageism but I do feel there should be a retirement age for courtiers and the like, unless they can show they are significantly in touch with the modern world.
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There are so many things I must be totally unaware of! I get that Lady Susan Hussey is an old lady and tactless, except I thought her role at these kind of events, after reading the bio of her, was to chat to guests, find out a bit about them so she could introduce them appropriately to the RF, so I would expect her to be asking questions of the guests!

Why is asking someone where they come from, automatically a racist comment? It was an international event with Guests from all over the world. Ngozi could have been there representing a charity from Africa, from the Caribbean or from the Commonweath. Ngozi could even have been the British figurehead for an overseas charity.

I can see the conversation between them both, was stilted with misunderstandings on both sides. But how was it so so racist?

The trouble is, I have no idea at of what Susan Hussey's character is, is she an incipient racist, who looks down on people, or is she just tactless and a bit too direct? Maybe she is an old school racist, I honestly cant tell from that brief exchange though.

From the conversation breakdown, I thought Ngozi was being pretty stubborn herself, she works for a charity that supports women from Caribbean and African heritages, so surely she understood that SH was asking her about her heritage?
If its an anathema to discuss ethnicity, and something that should not be done. How does Ngozi talk to the women who come to her for help?
 
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