The Royal Family #29

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Chocolategoggler said:
I heard the kid had sticky hands. As Camilla has grandchildren she'd know all about that problem.😁
I notice River on You Tube is really upset about the Susan Hussey thing but I haven't had time to watch it.
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She could have lifted the arm up from underneath. It's just the way she's picking it up like it's a dirty tissue
 
Tangent Tiger said:
I didn't mention the conversation.

It was a very public media highlighted event where people didn't know each other and was supposed to be about violence which can end people's lives. So yes you do need to give an indicator as to why you were there.

Did you notice that? Are you are still saying tee hee someone can't see my name badge who cares? Don't bother putting yours on.
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Damn, what a hill to die on. I suppose when you’re at an event with name tags the ability to vocally introduce Yourself and ask someone their name is automatically removed.
 
Jesus, can we all chill out a bit? There was a daft old woman who was INCREDIBLY crack-handed and racist. She was fired, TRF put out statements and dealt with it like any organisation. We don’t need to all fall out.

Queen Camilla was putting on a VERY important do to highlight violence against women, that’s being overshadowed by this. The fact she invited people from organisations which have criticised the family for perceived racism shows a level of magnanimity which should be praised.

Racism is abhorrent (I’m from a very mixed heritage background). We all agree on that surely?
 
I can't believe some of the comments I'm seeing on this thread. Not everything is about race but racism does exist and if you are part of the ethnic majority in your country, you probably don't even notice. That's the definition of privilege and no, it isn't confined to white people only but Susan Hussey just gave a stellar example of it.

My perspective is slightly different on this issue because of my upbringing. I am of Indian descent and live in a country with 2 ethnic majorities - Indian and African descendants, as well as a lot of persons of mixed race, Middle Eastern descent etc. I also happen to have long black curly hair (Type 3A/B) which is somewhat uncommon for Indian women as our hair type is usually straighter. As a result, my hair was always commented on and touched and because of the mixed race population here, hair type is often noted and discussed. My friends and I would play with eachother's hair, regardless of race, and it never seemed strange. So imagine my surprise when I read about black women not liking their hair to be touched. I will admit, I didn't understand it at first, but as I read more and about how in the US and European countries, their hair was often touched against their will and objectified, it started to make sense. I am lucky to have had a diverse and multicultural upbringing but even if you haven't, if someone says something is offensive, maybe LISTEN. Touching anyone's hair without their permission is rude but there is an added layer of discomfort that many black women feel as their hair is often seen as something negative and foreign. Why is it so hard to understand that your experience is not the universal one? And why is it so easy yo always make the black or POC woman the perpetrator? What sort of mental gymnastics does it require to paint the actual victim as the instigator?

This is why, while I do not always agree with what she says or does, I do believe Meghan when she said she experienced racism in that environment.
 
Miss Begotten said:
I think you have to look at the whole conversation.
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Ngozi explained that she was British, but the racist wouldn’t accept that.
“Where are you really from?” Think about what that means coming from a white person to a person of colour. Well, yes OK, I suppose you may well have been born here, but let’s face it, you’re not properly British are you? I mean, you’re brown.”
I’ve heard tit like this about my kids since they were born. It’s sickening, it’s disgusting and it’s racist. There’s no excuse for it. Ever.
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That’s what I meant though? SH should have stopped at Hackney. If she wanted to talk about Ngozi’s Caribbean heritage she should have brought it up herself. There was absolutely no need to go one like that. She could have asked if her dress was in any way related to her African heritage and would have found out it’s not as Ngozi wouldn’t know.
 
Gloria Rostron said:
I don't believe the conversation was racist. I believe it was insensitive of Lady Hussey to press the subject if Ngozi Fulani obviously didn't want to discuss it. Perhaps a quiet word could have been had about respecting boundaries. I do think Lady Hussey being forced to resign is wrong. She has not said anything that is defined in law as racist. She shouldn't have pried but it sounds as though she was trying to engage in conversation.
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She shouldn't have carried on interrogating the woman, it sounds like she resented a black person being invited as a guest rather than doing menial work. Mind you she probably looks down her nose at the lower middle and working classes as well and thinks that poor people have only themselves to blame. It's not just about racism it's the whole mentality that the likes of her are born superior to the lower classes / ethnic groups.She is probably a strong believer in phrenology.

 
I don’t really have much more to add - lots of interesting perspectives on here. I do believe it was a racist comment - if she’d asked once and moved on then maybe I could write off as an older lady however 7 times isn’t excusable.

The hair comment is interesting- my daughter has bright red hair and a lot of it. Since birth, strangers have commented on or touched her hair. More so when she was a baby but I don’t like it - again not generalising but it tends to be older ladies - often in the supermarket. I’ve only taken it as a compliment but it’s still invading her space. I wasn’t aware of the racist connotations to it.

I’m sad that the event has been overshadowed- I think Camillas work on DV is brilliant.
 
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Great_Kate said:
That’s what I meant though? SH should have stopped at Hackney. If she wanted to talk about Ngozi’s Caribbean heritage she should have brought it up herself. There was absolutely no need to go one like that. She could have asked if her dress was in any way related to her African heritage and would have found out it’s not as Ngozi wouldn’t know.
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This. Anyone would know what to say inbtbese environments. It was the hectoring of an adult 60+ year old woman that made it racist. If she was interested in the woman's heritage, ask about her clothes, or even something about the charity. It is the same situation when some men say ' they cant do anything these days" when they mean they can't touch a woman's bum in the workplace. If they wouldn't touch a male colleagues bum, why does it matter that they can't touch a woman's bum? Did she go up to the White guests, touch their hair without their permission and then harangue them about where their 'people' were from? No, because it's irrelevant.
 
Boredofgrey said:
I don’t really have much more to add - lots of interesting perspectives on here. I do believe it was a racist comment - if she’d asked once and moved on then maybe I could write off as an older lady however 7 times isn’t excusable.

The hair comment is interesting- my daughter has bright red hair and a lot of it. Since birth, strangers have commented on or touched her hair. More so when she was a baby but I don’t like it - again not generalising but it tends to be older ladies - often in the supermarket. I’ve only taken it as a compliment but it’s still invading her space. I wasn’t aware of the racist connotations to it.

I’m sad that the event has been overshadowed- I think Camillas work on DV is brilliant.
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When my friend was heavily pregnant, we went on a Christmas shopping trip in a coach … honestly, we should have sold tickets. It would have paid for the trip. A preggy belly is catnip and seems to be public property. She came home having being told (through her coat, although she was asked to take it off for better access) for absolute certain that she was having a girl/boy/possibly twins/a large baby/a little dot (girl. Just the one. average size).
 
Except contrary to what a lot of Americans seem to think, they have no say in our monarchy.

It was obviously a racist comment, but not just that, she showed an arrogance and entitlement in invading someone's personal space by moving the hair. Nothing to do with race but I've had that done to me before in a professional environment and it's a controlling move and unacceptable. She may not have meant any malice, but it just highlights ingrained issues with many of her class and age.

I can't stand harry and meghan, and don't believe majority of what they say (mainly as so much can be fact checked) but I have no doubt there are issues in an institution like the monarchy. So far I'm disappointed in Charles as there doesn't seem to be the sweeping reform he supposedly stood for.

I hate ageism but I do feel there should be a retirement age for courtiers and the like, unless they can show they are significantly in touch with the modern world.
 
Em_gardener said:
I think it's to make us look like Christmas baubles.


I think it's to make us look like Christmas baubles.
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They look like topsy turvy crowns to me though:D

Whatamadworld said:
Does make you wonder how intelligent these people are when they do and say things which are offensive, despite knowing times have changed and it's no longer acceptable. In this case it does seem deliberate, but why do that?

She must have known it would overshadow the work done by Camilla and everyone involved, and again bring more negativity to the royal family. It's mind boggling, it really is.
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I think they exist in a bubble which is still firmly rooted in the `1950's or even earlier, maybe younger people of this type have better awareness of how the world has changed and that ordinary people or people of colour don't have to tug their forelocks to them any more. But the Hussey woman is still sticking to the old rules. Makes you wonder what Meghan M faced when she joined the Royals?
 
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Mark81 said:
Except contrary to what a lot of Americans seem to think, they have no say in our monarchy.
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Well then they shouldnt be there. Why have they decided to go to the US? It sounds like William is still trying to one up his brother, even though his brother is exiled from the family and he is the Prince of Wales. They should have held Earthshot somewhere in the Commonwealth.
 
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