monga
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Nobody’s knows until January the rumours are that they are connected to the genocide that’s how they came to be in UK and Starmer fought their case
Southport Attacks and Aftermath #5
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pommynoir
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Where did you get this? I’ve read the only Rwandan in the case in question was a woman.
Veronicaaa
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It's a mystery
. Quite heartening to see so many people opposed to having genocidaires settling in the UK, though, we need to keep that energy going forward, I have a feeling it will come in useful.
monga
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No it’s been well documented over the years there’s at least five men that were named and some unamed individuals.
Why is Britain giving refuge to five Rwandans accused of genocide?
Exclusive: MPs’ fury as Metropolitan Police fails to conclude investigation it started six years ago and judges refuse to extradite the men who have lived here for two decades
pommynoir
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This is what I’ve seen.
https://www.12ft.io/https://www.dai...el-rudakubana-asylum-case-downing-street.html
I can’t open that link of yours without it telling me I’ve got a virus on my phone ffs
Lars Guinard
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What type of genocide though? Apparently definitions may vary!It's a mystery
monga
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These are long drawn out cases.
news.sky.com
www.independent.co.uk
Police investigate Rwanda genocide suspects living in UK
A Metropolitan Police spokeswoman confirms the force's war crimes unit received a referral from Rwandan authorities last year.
Man wanted for Rwanda genocide living unchallenged in Britain
His neighbours know him only as Celestin, a scrupulously polite man who emerges from his home to attend church, or tend his garden in the street of neat bungalows on the Essex coast, where he has lived since 2000. To the government of Rwanda, and to his alleged victims, he is Mayor Celestin...
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thegirlscout
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Throughout his job as a lawyer he defended some very unsavoury people like terrorists and murderers (the latter he got them off death sentences abroad) and some people online have used this as backdrop to say he’s represented people related to the Rwandan genocide. Though I can only find that who is represented was a woman in her 40s but not what she did. There is also a fake letter going around that people have taken as gospel:
People have added a community note but if others read it is another matter:
Haveyouanywool
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KCs in criminal cases have no choice in who they represent as they operate on a ‘bus stop’ system, taking the first case that comes along. Not sure about civil cases but anyway, everyone gets a defence equal to the adversary.
Does it matter who the parents are, or what they’ve done? They are not on trial.
Has anyone heard of subjudice? This is Britain, not the US, wild speculation, alternative facts and rumour are not permitted pre trial, so that a fair trial and subsequent justice can be achieved.
Does it matter who the parents are, or what they’ve done? They are not on trial.
Has anyone heard of subjudice? This is Britain, not the US, wild speculation, alternative facts and rumour are not permitted pre trial, so that a fair trial and subsequent justice can be achieved.
I suspect the ‘argument ‘ is there shouldn’t be criminal defence barristers at all and anyone who is one is ‘suspicious’. Just lock ‘em up without trial / take the police’s word for it
CabalofBolorneaise
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I would totally agree with that if it had been the case that those speculating about the incel online motive had been told the exact same things. People speculated wildly about that both on Tattle and across social media with absolutely no evidence and were not told to be quiet and stop speculating. If the problem people had was with speculating at all, it would have been said equally to all speculation whether it was religious terrorism, incel terrorism, mental illness, autism or any of the number of other theories that went and are still going around.
No speculation should apply to all not just one theory, and that was very much the state of the original online reaction stoked by the government specifically commenting on one line of it - the issue people had wasn’t with speculation, no matter how much there are attempts to retcon it to be about speculation, the issue was with that one theory that there were “no links” to… until it turned out that there may in fact be links.
Veronicaaa
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The no speculation advice came about *because new charges were brought*. That's what it's referring to.
CabalofBolorneaise
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Even if it is the new charges, this is clearly speculation as much as anything about an Islamic link is yet @Haveyouanywool liked it and nobody responded to it with stop speculating?
Haveyouanywool
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Of course people will speculate, it’s in our nature, hence Tattle.
The case that collapsed and was retried, involving the footballer (at great expense to court time and money) due to prejudicial speculative articles in newspapers is an example of why there’s a limit to what can and is being reported, especially as the newspapers involved learned their lesson as they were subject to massive fines.
Politicians making mileage out of this tragedy, to rabble rouse and fuel their agenda, need to take a good look at themselves. What are they going to reveal? Anything that’s not been thought of? Doubt it.
On the subject of the perpetrator, it seems he was brought up Christian and was a choir boy, which does not exclude that fact that he could have been radicalised into any ideology at any point. Downloading terrorist recipes (for Ricin) doesn’t necessarily make him a terrorist, although it might
As for the photos of him. Do looks matter? There are many baby faced killers. It’s irrelevant IMO.
The case that collapsed and was retried, involving the footballer (at great expense to court time and money) due to prejudicial speculative articles in newspapers is an example of why there’s a limit to what can and is being reported, especially as the newspapers involved learned their lesson as they were subject to massive fines.
Politicians making mileage out of this tragedy, to rabble rouse and fuel their agenda, need to take a good look at themselves. What are they going to reveal? Anything that’s not been thought of? Doubt it.
On the subject of the perpetrator, it seems he was brought up Christian and was a choir boy, which does not exclude that fact that he could have been radicalised into any ideology at any point. Downloading terrorist recipes (for Ricin) doesn’t necessarily make him a terrorist, although it might
As for the photos of him. Do looks matter? There are many baby faced killers. It’s irrelevant IMO.
Peachsquish
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Because rather like advertising which pushes a narrative to make us want to buy certain products.Of course people will speculate, it’s in our nature, hence Tattle.
The case that collapsed and was retried, involving the footballer (at great expense to court time and money) due to prejudicial speculative articles in newspapers is an example of why there’s a limit to what can and is being reported, especially as the newspapers involved learned their lesson as they were subject to massive fines.
Politicians making mileage out of this tragedy, to rabble rouse and fuel their agenda, need to take a good look at themselves. What are they going to reveal? Anything that’s not been thought of? Doubt it.
On the subject of the perpetrator, it seems he was brought up Christian and was a choir boy, which does not exclude that fact that he could have been radicalised into any ideology at any point. Downloading terrorist recipes (for Ricin) doesn’t necessarily make him a terrorist, although it might
As for the photos of him. Do looks matter? There are many baby faced killers. It’s irrelevant IMO.
The news coverage is pushing good Christian choir boy who was on the tv with a picture of a small child designed to make a child killer seem less threatening, I have yet to see an article with just the picture from the court of what he actually looks like as opposed to a picture that appears to be him at approximately 12.
Lars Guinard
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Southport murders accused set to go on trial in January
Axel Rudakubana is charged with the murders of three young girls in Southport on 29 July.
www.bbc.co.uk
As Axel has his face covered in most of the court sketches...how would you be able to tell? Ok, he is taller and his hair grown out.
In the photographs shown by MSM of Axel, he looks at maximum 15 years old, still in uniform so maybe 16?
Now, he only turned 18 in August, so how many pictures does a quiet loner take? Add in being a teenage boy and Autistic...?
I doubt he was uploading selfies on socials or his family were prioritising getting the family album out.
If people had other pictures I think they would have been uploaded in the age of X/Insta/FB or on TikTok
monga
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He’s been charged under the terrorism act he’s definitely classed as a terrorist. Think looks do matter would you view Hitler differently if all that was posted was his childhood choirboy pics as opposed his adult military impression?Of course people will speculate, it’s in our nature, hence Tattle.
The case that collapsed and was retried, involving the footballer (at great expense to court time and money) due to prejudicial speculative articles in newspapers is an example of why there’s a limit to what can and is being reported, especially as the newspapers involved learned their lesson as they were subject to massive fines.
Politicians making mileage out of this tragedy, to rabble rouse and fuel their agenda, need to take a good look at themselves. What are they going to reveal? Anything that’s not been thought of? Doubt it.
On the subject of the perpetrator, it seems he was brought up Christian and was a choir boy, which does not exclude that fact that he could have been radicalised into any ideology at any point. Downloading terrorist recipes (for Ricin) doesn’t necessarily make him a terrorist, although it might
As for the photos of him. Do looks matter? There are many baby faced killers. It’s irrelevant IMO.
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He was budding actor with musical theatre training . Id say many pics if that was his chosen career ? He had already starred in a nationwide campaign so not as reclusive irl.Southport murders accused set to go on trial in January
Axel Rudakubana is charged with the murders of three young girls in Southport on 29 July.www.bbc.co.uk
As Axel has his face covered in most of the court sketches...how would you be able to tell? Ok, he is taller and his hair grown out.
In the photographs shown by MSM of Axel, he looks at maximum 15 years old, still in uniform so maybe 16?
Now, he only turned 18 in August, so how many pictures does a quiet loner take? Add in being a teenage boy and Autistic...?
I doubt he was uploading selfies on socials or his family were prioritising getting the family album out.
If people had other pictures I think they would have been uploaded in the age of X/Insta/FB or on TikTok
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Lars Guinard
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Pictures of Hitler as an adult exist though as he was an adult.
If Hitler was 17 and committed crimes then we would only go by pictures that exist of him up until that age.
Jon Venable and Robert Thompson were called 'baby face killers' ...it did not make the public more sympathetic.