Real Life Crime and Murder #13

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Bima6694 said:
This reminds me of this sad case: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...for-three-days-dies-in-hospital-10383274.html

Someone actually reported the car crash after witnessing it but the police just.... didn't bother to go check it out. Shocking.
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Yeah and she was audibly pleading for help from the member of the public who eventually found them, so it seems she would have had a really good chance of surviving had she been found sooner. They were even saying that her partner, who was driving, may not have died instantly as previously reported. Her family won something like £1m from Police Scotland a while ago in a civil case and there's meant to be a public fatal accident inquiry soon, I think.
 
twilightgarden said:
news.sky.com

Britain's most notorious prisoner Charles Bronson launches bid for freedom at parole hearing

Bronson has spent nearly 50 years in prison after his original seven-year sentence was extended many times because of his violent attacks on prison staff and fellow inmates. A former detective and a consultant psychiatrist have conflicting views as to whether he should now be released.
news.sky.com news.sky.com

This reminds me I still need to watch part 2 of the documentary on ch4. from what I saw I didn’t think he came across very well and why is his son who’s only known him since 2017 so involved? His other son didn’t appear at all in the first episode.
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Having watched it, I don’t believe he’s his son at all. It seems a bit convenient his son happen to be a paparazzi journo who could get him more attention. And the ‘son’ had abusive parents so is lapping up the attention from his new dad.

Bronson definitely did not come across as mentally stable and showed no signs of remorse. I genuinely don’t think they should release him based on what I saw, although I know that’s only snippets.
 
ploddertoo said:
I also think you have to be missing more than 24 hours before police will entertain the idea a person is missing, which is understandable.
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I think it depends on the circumstances and whether or not the person is considered vulnerable, but yeah I can see in this particular instance why they may have just thought it was a case of young people on a bender and didn’t treat it with much urgency.
 
Vroomvroom said:
Having watched it, I don’t believe he’s his son at all. It seems a bit convenient his son happen to be a paparazzi journo who could get him more attention. And the ‘son’ had abusive parents so is lapping up the attention from his new dad.

Bronson definitely did not come across as mentally stable and showed no signs of remorse. I genuinely don’t think they should release him based on what I saw, although I know that’s only snippets.
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My friend was the art teacher Bronson held hostage and still suffers from PTSD. He got something like £64000 as compensation but HMP never accepted that they were responsible for keeping him safe. This all happened because my friend was critical of Bronson's art that day.
 
Deeznutslol said:
These people were missing for less than 48 hours, I don’t think it’s that strange that they weren’t found sooner.
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My issue isn’t that the police didn’t work harder to search for people who’d been missing for a few hours. That is, like you say, the way it goes.

My issue is that a car crashed on a busy road and no one seemed to notice for two days. Was it reported and the police didn’t act? Or was it very well hidden?
 
Django said:
My friend was the art teacher Bronson held hostage and still suffers from PTSD. He got something like £64000 as compensation but HMP never accepted that they were responsible for keeping him safe. This all happened because my friend was critical of Bronson's art that day.
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He’s said today that they’re his favourite hostage 😳 https://apple.news/Aj7z6E_qFQeOGu1FxA56Apw
 
ploddertoo said:
I also think you have to be missing more than 24 hours before police will entertain the idea a person is missing, which is understandable.
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Personally I’m appalled it took so long to find them. 5 people don’t just evaporate into this air. Imagine this was a family with young kids? Imagine children lying injured next to their dead parents for 48 hours?? I really hope they investigate the delay properly.
 
MedeaWho said:
This is no longer the case.
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Personally I’m appalled it took so long to find them. 5 people don’t just evaporate into this air. Imagine this was a family with young kids? Imagine children lying injured next to their dead parents for 48 hours?? I really hope they investigate the delay properly.
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a missing family with young children involved would have instigated a bigger and quicker search.

with this one, sadly, i think their ages didn’t help the urgency or police taking it seriously. it sounds like they got written off quite quickly as young people recovering from a big night rather than something having gone wrong. given how quickly everyone else came to the same conclusion re the car accident it is wild that the police weren’t searching the sides of the roads asap. it isn’t an overly large area to cover. i keep thinking about them being trapped in there for so long.
 
MedeaWho said:
This is no longer the case.
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Personally I’m appalled it took so long to find them. 5 people don’t just evaporate into this air. Imagine this was a family with young kids? Imagine children lying injured next to their dead parents for 48 hours?? I really hope they investigate the delay properly.
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But this would be a completely different situation? I don’t know exactly how long it took the police to start looking but it’s not unheard of for people of their age to go off on a bender/not come home after a night out. Obviously in hindsight the situation was tragic but it’s not exactly comparable to a family randomly disappearing imo

sorry @LaBlonde posted at the same time lol x
 
LaBlonde said:
a missing family with young children involved would have instigated a bigger and quicker search.

with this one, sadly, i think their ages didn’t help the urgency or police taking it seriously. it sounds like they got written off quite quickly as young people recovering from a big night rather than something having gone wrong. given how quickly everyone else came to the same conclusion re the car accident it is wild that the police weren’t searching the sides of the roads asap. it isn’t an overly large area to cover. i keep thinking about them being trapped in there for so long.
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Definitely the case of unconscious bias obstructing the search. I wonder who might have survived if proper search was conducted early enough.
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paulpercy666 said:
But this would be a completely different situation? I don’t know exactly how long it took the police to start looking but it’s not unheard of for people of their age to go off on a bender/not come home after a night out. Obviously in hindsight the situation was tragic but it’s not exactly comparable to a family randomly disappearing imo

sorry @LaBlonde posted at the same time lol x
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There is no reason why a group of young people should be treated differently.
 
MedeaWho said:
Definitely the case of unconscious bias obstructing the search. I wonder who might have survived if proper search was conducted early enough.
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There is no reason why a group of young people should be treated differently.
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there was a post maybe on this thread or the other where the mum of the surviving girl (sophie?) said that they’d been told that the three had been killed on impact, which i suppose is a kind of blessing. i can only hope it’s true. but, that poor girl and guy, trapped in a car with the bodies of their three friends, in the absolute freezing cold. i can’t imagine it.
 
MedeaWho said:
Definitely the case of unconscious bias obstructing the search. I wonder who might have survived if proper search was conducted early enough.
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There is no reason why a group of young people should be treated differently.
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I mean, in hindsight, yes they shouldn’t have been. But the police can’t exactly immediately investigate every time a young person doesn’t come home after a night out - god I’d have the coppers at mine every other week if they did 😅
 
LaBlonde said:
there was a post maybe on this thread or the other where the mum of the surviving girl (sophie?) said that they’d been told that the three had been killed on impact, which i suppose is a kind of blessing. i can only hope it’s true. but, that poor girl and guy, trapped in a car with the bodies of their three friends, in the absolute freezing cold. i can’t imagine it.
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It’s so sad, the mum also said that her daughter was trapped in the car “in the dark until it got light and then dark again over two days.” That struck a chord with me, just the passing of time, she must have been terrified, she also called out but no one was close enough to hear her ☹️
 
GlassOfBeans said:
It’s so sad, the mum also said that her daughter was trapped in the car “in the dark until it got light and then dark again over two days.” That struck a chord with me, just the passing of time, she must have been terrified, she also called out but no one was close enough to hear her ☹
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What’s the thread called? Sorry just came here to see if anything was being said x
 
libby_lou said:
What’s the thread called? Sorry just came here to see if anything was being said x
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I’ve got the mum’s quote from this article:

https://www.12ft.io/https://www.dai...d-friends-says-mother-Wales-crash-victim.html

But there is another thread called Missing People and murder cases #3
 
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