Love Island UK 2021 #3

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Han___ said:
Hot Asian girls or more specially Indian/Pakistani girls are generally unlikely to do the show due to the cultural stigma attached to something like this. Shannon was half Indian and Punjabi I think but her parents seem accepting of her career choices (think I read her Dad was a stripper!). As an Indian girl I kind of relate to the above comments about dating black women, bit of a novelty and niche 🤷🏻‍♀️. Also if I guy is so specific about his “type” petite blondes he’s certainly not going to be up for dating a non white girl. Rachel just being set up for a fall here in having to save one of these guys.
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Nabila (Casa Amor girl from season 5) got quite a lot of Islamophobic abuse from the brief time she was on the show even though she is not a practicing Muslim. She also got abuse from fundamentalist Muslims for going on the show. I can see why a lot of Asian women probably think doing the show is more trouble than it's worth.
 
jackolantern said:
Think this is a good example of the convo above :( Kaz is the only girl who gets her name forgotten and becomes referred to by her skin colour. This isn't a dig at the OP, I know it wasn't intentional. I think it's just a sad representation of times.
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Honestly I thought I was just being ott but it triggered me.

I know OP didn't mean it like that but it's giving me...

 
GossWhore said:
Honestly I thought I was just being ott but it triggered me.

I know OP didn't mean it like that but it's giving me...

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Definitely not OTT as far as I'm concerned. I don't think people mean to do it for sure, but I do think there is an element of like subconscious bias where black women get more easily forgotten because people think they can't "relate" to them. It's so sad because we put such division between ourselves because of skin colour when in reality it makes duck all difference to anything other than melanin quantity! I think we can all be racist without even meaning to be, or there being any malice behind it at all. Lucie and Yewande were such a good example when Lucie refused to even attempt to say Yewande's name properly, I highly doubt she would ever have done that with a white woman's name and in her head she probably didn't even realise how offensive that was. As a white woman I can't even begin to imagine how horrible it must be to have to even try harder for a basic thing like someone acknowledging you have a name and aren't just "the black lady" or deciding it isn't worth their time to say it correctly.
 
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During the whole mini scandal about Yewande revealing that Lucie refused to learn her name it seems to have been lost in the discussion that the show's staff privately sympathised with Yewande but did nothing about it.

Also a lot of the online discussion about it centred on whether they liked the people involved. You don't have to like Yewande to support her when it was revealed a fellow cast member was racist against her. Even if you like Lucie's other attributes you can still acknowledge her behavior in towards Yewande was wrong and her 'best friend' Maura was wrong to publicaly support her on this issue.
 
Knight of Galador said:
During the whole mini scandal about Yewande revealing that Lucie refused to learn her name it seems to have been lost in the discussion that the show's staff privately sympathised with Yewande but did nothing about it.

Also a lot of the online discussion about it centred on whether they liked the people involved. You don't have to like Yewande to support her when it was revealed a fellow cast member was racist against her. Even if you like Lucie's other attributes you can still acknowledge her behavior in towards Yewande was wrong and her 'best friend' Maura was wrong to publicaly support her on this issue.
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Agreed. Tbf I didn't like Yewande at all but I still think it was appalling behaviour from Lucie.
 
jackolantern said:
Definitely not OTT as far as I'm concerned. I don't think people mean to do it for sure, but I do think there is an element of like subconscious bias where black women get more easily forgotten because people think they can't "relate" to them. It's so sad because we put such division between ourselves because of skin colour when in reality it makes duck all difference to anything other than melanin quantity! I think we can all be racist without even meaning to be, or there being any malice behind it at all. Lucie and Yewande were such a good example when Lucie refused to even attempt to say Yewande's name properly, I highly doubt she would ever have done that with a white woman's name and in her head she probably didn't even realise how offensive that was. As a white woman I can't even begin to imagine how horrible it must be to have to even try harder for a basic thing like someone acknowledging you have a name and aren't just "the black lady" or deciding it isn't worth their time to say it correctly.
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This is interesting because, I do totally agree with you, Lucy was bang out of order not even bother to learn yewandes name or how to pronounce it (I mean it’s literally pronounced phonetically but whatever) and it is an example I think of a micro aggression, very subtle racism. Having said that, I also remember when Twitter refused to call Arabella by her name and called her umbrella/armadillo/salmonella etc etc etc which I personally also thought was really rude and immature .. (was arabella mixed race btw?)
 
Lonelylondon said:
This is interesting because, I do totally agree with you, Lucy was bang out of order not even bother to learn yewandes name or how to pronounce it (I mean it’s literally pronounced phonetically but whatever) and it is an example I think of a micro aggression, very subtle racism. Having said that, I also remember when Twitter refused to call Arabella by her name and called her umbrella/armadillo/salmonella etc etc etc which I personally also thought was really rude and immature .. (was arabella mixed race btw?)
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With Arabella, I always got the vibe it was more to do with the fact she had an "unconventional" name and wasn't super popular. Although that being said, I have just googled and it does say she is mixed race, so it wouldn't be a surprise if that played a part as well :(
 
Lonelylondon said:
This is interesting because, I do totally agree with you, Lucy was bang out of order not even bother to learn yewandes name or how to pronounce it (I mean it’s literally pronounced phonetically but whatever) and it is an example I think of a micro aggression, very subtle racism. Having said that, I also remember when Twitter refused to call Arabella by her name and called her umbrella/armadillo/salmonella etc etc etc which I personally also thought was really rude and immature .. (was arabella mixed race btw?)
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they were calling Arabella names deliberately to be outright snide though and thinking they were being hilarious. Not quite the same thing as subconscious bias or meaning well but being racist.
 
To be fair as a general rule Love Island would benefit so much from being more diverse, obviously in regards to ethnicity but also body sizes, disabilities, sexual orientation etc. I think it would actually make the show much more appealing to a wider audience as well. Sure you might lose the group of people who are only interested in the skinny, often 'fake' clones that are in every year, but I think as a whole you'd pull in more viewers overall.
 
I don’t think the renaming Arabella was racist and can’t find anything online about her being mixed race (her parents here: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....s-mum-Eunice-revealed-1970s-GAME-hostess.html) I think it was just because she annoyed people, it was petty but that’s about it. Yewande on the other hand was massively screwed over by Love Island! Back to Arabella I just looked at her Instagram and she’s unrecognisable now!
 
IndominusRex said:
I don’t think the renaming Arabella was racist and can’t find anything online about her being mixed race (her parents here: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....s-mum-Eunice-revealed-1970s-GAME-hostess.html) I think it was just because she annoyed people, it was petty but that’s about it. Yewande on the other hand was massively screwed over by Love Island! Back to Arabella I just looked at her Instagram and she’s unrecognisable now!
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Yeah I dunno if she’s mixed, I just ask cause her surname is Chi
 
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It's such a tricky subject. I thought I was going to be accused of being racially ignorant in the last thread because I called Kaz's bonnet a 'quirky hat' and I received a comment putting me right. I described it as a quirky hat for no reason other than I thought it was brilliant that her nightwear was fully coordinated and not because I was poking fun at her skin colour, but after hearing some of the horrendous examples here today, I can see why I might have given that impression. I'm sorry about that.
The whole name thing is a minefield. If I haven't heard of a name before I can guarantee I won't remember it immediately. This can apply to a huge range of names (including scottish, Irish, English, etc). In some cases, I write it down including pronunciation because I'd be embarrassed to get it wrong. And if I was in a situation where I'd forgotten someone's name, I'd just apologise and ask them. I've got a very unusual and hard to pronounce last name and 9 times out of 10 people struggle to pronounce it, I genuinely feel sorry for them.

With LI, perhaps it's early days to be remembering everyone's name because the contestants aren't that familiar to us yet. I can only temember Aaron and Hugo's names from the boys. I'm not being racist or sexist, I just literally cannot remember all of them yet. Similarly, I get Fay and Chloe mixed up as they look similar at the moment, but in another few episodes they'll look totally different to each other and I'll know who is who. It’s been a great and healthy discussion. In other news, who's Rachel going to choose?
 
I really wish they’d just do a series with totally normal people like size 14 Sophie from Yorkshire who works down at B&M or Joe with a normal dad bod who doesn’t have 20k insta followers. No not everyone is the same body type but tuning in and seeing these perfect fake bodies every night and them all putting on an act is just getting boring now
 
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