Liam Payne #5

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It now seems the news coming from Argentina is that the authorities believe there was a planned abandonment orchestrated to cause Liam's death, led by Roger Nores.

Having followed all the updates for the last 9 weeks, my heart breaks for what it appears Liam went through especially those last 3 days in that hotel in Argentina. Also for his family who it appears have believed this was orchestrated as well. It's hard enough thinking this happened to your loved one, without it actually being true 💔.

Hopefully this is heading in the direction of justice for Liam & closure of some kind for his family & for his son.
 
Glasgowgal1 said:
It now seems the news coming from Argentina is that the authorities believe there was a planned abandonment orchestrated to cause Liam's death, led by Roger Nores.

Having followed all the updates for the last 9 weeks, my heart breaks for what it appears Liam went through especially those last 3 days in that hotel in Argentina. Also for his family who it appears have believed this was orchestrated as well. It's hard enough thinking this happened to your loved one, without it actually being true 💔.

Hopefully this is heading in the direction of justice for Liam & closure of some kind for his family & for his son.
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Wonder if Kate was part of it too? I just can't figure her out
 
Why would Roger orchestrate Liam’s death? He wasn’t going to gain anything from it.
I think he couldn’t cope with the level of Liam’s addiction and fucked off, leaving him to it, not realising how bad things were. Same with Kate. I doubt she’d have left the man she loved, had she realised tragedy was just around the corner.
 
Allegedly Roger is listed on the writing credits of some of the songs for the new album Liam was working on, so it could be something to do with that. Money will be the motivation, especially given Roger's past.

I remember a while ago Liam put a photo up of him and Roger in a studio and Roger was sitting with a guitar. Nothing really was known at the time about Roger and he then joined Instagram.

I seen a clip from an Argentinalian news channel that had been posted online last night which was saying the authorities believe it was planned abandonment to cause Liam's death.

Roger, Braian and the other dealer refused to give statements earlier this week to authorities, despite Roger & Braian taking part in a 'documentary' for TMZ that was broadcast on Tuesday, giving their versions of events.
 
That just makes no sense though. Again, Roger can’t have known Liam would die and Roger would get no royalties whatsoever because the album hasn’t been released and it’s possible it never will. It also wouldn’t have been up to Roger to release the album, that decision would have rested with Liam and/or the record label. Also, wasn’t Liam dropped from his label shortly before his death anyway?? With all the fake reports and claims that have come out recently I’m not putting stock in this at all. I don’t doubt that Liam was abandoned, but the claim that it was done deliberately to kill him..? I’m holding off from believing that until and unless irrefutable proof is provided.
 
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Glasgowgal1 said:
Allegedly Roger is listed on the writing credits of some of the songs for the new album Liam was working on, so it could be something to do with that. Money will be the motivation, especially given Roger's past.

I remember a while ago Liam put a photo up of him and Roger in a studio and Roger was sitting with a guitar. Nothing really was known at the time about Roger and he then joined Instagram.

I seen a clip from an Argentinalian news channel that had been posted online last night which was saying the authorities believe it was planned abandonment to cause Liam's death.

Roger, Braian and the other dealer refused to give statements earlier this week to authorities, despite Roger & Braian taking part in a 'documentary' for TMZ that was broadcast on Tuesday, giving their versions of events.
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I don't understand it though. How could they have planned to abandon him and then know it would definitely cause his death? Liam could've have easily decided to just go to bed and sleep it off that night 🤷‍♀️. I think it's more likely been a series of unfortunate events that led to his death where no one was to blame but if things had been done differently it may have prevented it?
I do think even if he didn't die that night he was going to at some point in the future unfortunately
 
De-lurking as I don't have anyone to discuss this with IRL.


I'm not/was never a 1D fan (I was early/mid-twenties when they came out, and I'd grown out of my boyband phase by then) so most of my Liam knowledge comes from insomnia-induced scrolling through the Daily Mail's Sidebar of Shame and the like (aka, the most reliable sources). I'm also not a conspiracy theorist and I don't believe anyone set out to physically hurt Liam. Unfortunately, all the evidence so far indicates the person responsible for Liam's death was Liam himself. He took the drugs of his own accord, and probably sourced most of them himself too (as in, he initially found/approached the dealers, not Roger). However, I can see where the negligence claims come in. All the videos/images I've seen of Liam that were filmed/taken in the months leading up to his death suggest he was never alone; Kate and/or Roger were always in the background. I don't think Kate holds any responsibility here. I believe Liam was spiralling significantly over the course of their time in S.America, they argued and Kate left for her own safety/sanity. She probably expected him (and Roger) to follow her not long after. Roger on the other hand seems dodgy as hell.
Why would a businessman request to take on the responsibility of the day-to-day welfare of a "friend" with significant (and widely reported) drug and alcohol addictions? Especially when said "friend" had a large support network in another country and was a millionaire (and could therefore fund any psychology services/rehab themselves).
If the rumoured email sent by Roger to Liam's family/management in September was real (the one withdrawing all responsibility for Liam after Liam's doctor/therapist removed Liam from their services when he wouldn't engage) why did Roger continue to travel with Liam?
If Roger was now in a "friendship" role, why did he seemingly have access to Liam's finances (based on the messages to Roger asking for money/payment from Liam and the hotel)?
And why does his memory of the day Liam died contradict all the other witnesses? Why say Liam wasn't drunk an hour before he died when multiple witnesses said Liam appeared drunk at numerous points throughout the day, including at breakfast where he was already drinking heavily?

As far as the hotel are concerned, they clearly could have called for professional help sooner. I've read articles that suggest Roger stopped responding to calls/messages from the hotel before Liam started blacking out. It seems like, when things got serious, Roger disengaged.
The hotel were also obviously pre-warned about Liam's history with balconies, but by who? Was Liam threatening to climb down if they locked him in? Also, does anyone else think the railings on the balcony seem quite low? The DM says the railings are 4ft, but from the footage of Liam's dad on the balcony, they look a lot shorter, like mid-hip height.


Apologies for the essay. Contrary to what this post suggests, I do have life which I'm now going to waste by doing a deep-dive on Liam and 1D.
 
sam0206 said:
I don't understand it though. How could they have planned to abandon him and then know it would definitely cause his death? Liam could've have easily decided to just go to bed and sleep it off that night 🤷‍♀️. I think it's more likely been a series of unfortunate events that led to his death where no one was to blame but if things had been done differently it may have prevented it?
I do think even if he didn't die that night he was going to at some point in the future unfortunately
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Sadly he would have lost his life in one way or another if he carried on using drugs and alcohol in the quantities he is alleged to have been consuming. I don’t know what I would have done if he was my son or brother or even boyfriend. He had capacity to make unwise decisions and couldn’t have been forced into a safe environment or rehab, if he didn’t want it.
It’s all so terribly sad.
 
I've said it before, but I do wonder if Liam was under some sort of conservatorship, even on a voluntary basis.
That would explain the weird communication between his dad and Roger previously, why Liam didn't seemingly have access to his own money and why Roger was popping in and out multiple times a day.
However, if that was the case behind closed doors, I just fail to see what was in it for Roger??
By agreeing to have that level of control over your friends life, to the point where the expectation is you'll make sure he's never alone, stop his access to substances etc Roger had nothing to gain and everything to lose.
 
I’d be very surprised if Liam was under a conservatorship, even if voluntary. Why would anyone entrust such an immense fortune to someone like Roger, who clearly didn’t know Liam that well, it’s not as if he had been in his life for years and years. I don’t think Liam or his family would risk that money (Bear’s inheritance) being abused by someone else.
 
Its just so bizarre! I know essentially he's had every aspect of his adult life overly managed with management,PR etc but it seems so odd for Roger to have had that level of control?!
Yes Roger has business knowledge etc, and given time could well have done an amazing job managing Liams brand, as opposed to managing Liam as an actual human being.
It's such a morally grey area with celebrities, having so much influence from management and PR, who are essentially there to manage their public life and persona, where sadly by the very nature of it the celebrity's personal life and individuality come secondary to this 😕
 
KINGAA said:
I wanna know where TMZ are getting cctv images and info from. Argentinian police must be getting paid for it?!

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Surely this is not normal practice to be carrying guests back to their hotel rooms whilst they are in no fit state? This is so sad to see. I know that people want to know the truth but I don’t think these time lines with private texts should be out there for everyone to see. It’s such a shame. Maybe the hotel are being paid for them as well as Roger. I did think with the changing stories from people that maybe they were being paid off so that eventually everything fits together & there is one story out there.
 
Kelly1822 said:
Surely this is not normal practice to be carrying guests back to their hotel rooms whilst they are in no fit state? This is so sad to see. I know that people want to know the truth but I don’t think these time lines with private texts should be out there for everyone to see. It’s such a shame.
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That’s got to be a hard thing for Kate to process also, grieving your boyfriend and finding out they cheated at the same time 🙁
 
García the Great said:
Kate was with him for 2 years, she must have absolutely known about the drug use and sex with prostitutes. It’s more than likely she was willing to put up with that in exchange for living in mansions and being able to spend tens of thousands of dollars a month on clothes and handbags.
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This could also be true. Many women are so desperate for a certain lifestyle that they will put up with anything to get it. To look like you’re living the best life on instagram. This is having such a negative impact of the younger generation also. My daughter wants to be a millionaire & will believe everything she sees on instagram or tik tok. She is 14.
 
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