Harry and Meghan #70 Two weddings, lots of lies, someone's telling porky pies

How long do you think Harry and Meghan will last?

  • 3 years and they'll breakup in 2021

    Votes: 156 14.2%

  • 4-5 years

    Votes: 530 48.2%

  • 6-7 years

    Votes: 171 15.5%

  • 8-9 years

    Votes: 41 3.7%

  • Until death does part

    Votes: 202 18.4%
  • Total voters
    1,100
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Margo_Channing said:
I know I would like to see the proof too but whatever racism they faced here, if it ends up being worse in america what would they do?! Can't do another woe is me interview
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They won’t face worse, because racism in the western world is not some kind of self evident, inevitable truth. It’s very nuanced, and highly privileged, famous, wealthy people just will not experience the kind of racism they’re claiming, ie structural, institutional (police in the US, allegedly). They are above it. A pair of millionaires- a white British prince and his white passing ‘Duchess’ wife- are not involved in these arenas.
 
Also isn't it incredible that they didn't admitt any wrongdoing. You can end up in a difficult situation not only because of your own actions but a smart person is also able to pintpoint what they could have done wrong. It could have been that they married too quickly/put Meghan on royal duties way too early etc... But no.

I noticed on the pics at the royal albert that Meghan doesn't smile as much as usual so it doesn't crazy to think something happened just before going.

Mental health is a very sensitive topic and I won't dismiss any claim of suicidal thoughts without prooves. But one thing to know is that most of the time people being vocal about their will of dying is more like a request for help than an actual plan to really kill yourself. I don't want to minimize it but taking in charge a person needing help or a person in danger to hurt themselves are different things and those problems will be adressed differently.
 
From @JudithKuntz in the last thread

I have a theory about this...only a theory but it makes sense to me.

We know that Meghan was treating her staff like shit. Maybe one of them became so distressed they were sent to occupational health for therapy/counselling.

Meghan comes in and says...”Where’s X today”?

She’s told that she’s been given time off for help following yesterday’s tantrum/row/abuse.

Says Meghan...”What about my help? When can I see this counsellor? Don’t you know how terrible life is for me? I want to kill myself it’s so bad. I’m the one who needs the counsellow, not her. Make me an appointment”.

”Well, Your Highness, occupational health is an employee resource but....”

”I’ve just told you I want to kill myself and you won’t let me get help?”

I bet it was something like that. It’s gone through Meghan’s Me Me Me filter and come out as the self-indulgent bullshit we saw last night.

Why on earth would a senior member of the royal family go to Buckingham Palace HR department for medical help? I don’t think she did. I think she took exception to someone she bullied having to do that because of her.
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Great post. The 'going to see HR' is suspicious to me as well. Meghan being 'asked to see HR' might be more on the money. Follow up to a complaint about bullying? Like the one raised by Jason Knauf in October 2018? Which was raised with the Head of HR?

https://www.12ft.io/https://www.dai...yal-crisis-abdication-writes-RICHARD-KAY.html

Remember that this was all exposed in The Times by Valentine Low. He said their investigations had been underway for weeks, the Sussexes knew of them, and reading between the lines, knew about them when the agreed to the Oprah interview.

If Meghan was depressed or had suicidal thoughts, there was no reason to take that concern to the Head of HR for the palace employees. This makes no sense to me. Meghan was wealthy, was known to do her own thing, had her own personal medical team for her pregnancy and would have accessed psychological help with one phone call. It's conceivable that the Head of HR was asked to pay for something (a wellness break overseas, psychological counselling) and she said 'I don't control the budget for that, there's nothing I can do about funding your request'.
 
missmousey said:
I think the Palace will revert with a sad response. In that, they welcomed meghan with open arms and are sorry if anything they said or did came across as racist, that was never the intention. They only wanted to protect H&M from the hardships of being royals but clearly didn’t a good enough job, and that unfortunately some of H&M’s requests were not requests they could fulfil due to the protocol and the fact that H&M wanted to step away from being working royals.
I think the Queen is immensely saddened by this but she’s probably tired and won’t want to engage in any tit for tat or he said/she said. The decent (and classy) thing to do is accept that they’ve lost Harry and move on. Any knee jerk reactions in the form of title stripping, threats of lawsuits would probably just attract more negative attention and make them look worse. I’m not saying they shouldn’t defend themselves but anything they do now will be heavily dissected by the world over and likely to be misunderstood so probably not the best course of action.
Time to put this to bed now and move on. It’s very sad as she has always been dignified and continued to express her love for H&M despite their stepping away. But you can only try your hardest to make someone understand the how and why, and if they don’t get it then they never will. Best to spend her time with people who do love her and get why she acts as she does. I’m very sad for her because no family deserves to have a public take down.
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This is 100% the best road they can take. I hope to hell they take it. X
 
Baguette said:
From @JudithKuntz in the last thread



Great post. The 'going to see HR' is suspicious to me as well. Meghan being 'asked to see HR' might be more on the money. Follow up to a complaint about bullying? Like the one raised by Jason Knauf in October 2018? Which was raised with the Head of HR?

https://www.12ft.io/https://www.dai...yal-crisis-abdication-writes-RICHARD-KAY.html

Remember that this was all exposed in The Times by Valentine Low. He said their investigations had been underway for weeks, the Sussexes knew of them, and reading between the lines, knew about them when the agreed to the Oprah interview.

If Meghan was depressed or had suicidal thoughts, there was no reason to take that concern to the Head of HR for the palace employees. This makes no sense to me. Meghan was wealthy, was known to do her own thing, had her own personal medical team for her pregnancy and would have accessed psychological help with one phone call. It's conceivable that the Head of HR was asked to pay for something (a wellness break overseas, psychological counselling) and she said 'I don't control the budget for that, there's nothing I can do about funding your request'.
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I heard Megan threw hot tea over a ‘servant’
 
igiveup said:
I was just reading on Twitter Bojo didn’t watch the interview ( yes yes bojo you da man) and that he stands by his response he said yesterday In regards to the RF.

Boris had them sussed time ago.
At times like this I wish Trump had Twitter , I’d love to know his thoughts lol 😂
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I think his son still has twitter and is his father's quasi mouthpiece.... sorta. Not sure. Don Jr I think? I don't pay attention but saw a couple mentions. He might be tweeeting about it.
 
Sorry if this has been said already...I just cant keep up with the threads ..but I suddenly had a thought,I wonder if they "just happened to mention" that a certain someone wondered about the baby's skin tone..... just to stir things up and make hinted at trouble for those they want to " punish" for whatever misguided reasons.
 
I definitely think a lot of Meghan wanting to do the interview was to stick the knife into Kate, more so than others! She holds a lot of resentment that everyone looks up to Kate and she is well liked in the media and seen this as her chance to tarnish that. She did say in the interview that she wasn’t saying this stuff to paint Kate in a bad light, but what other way could it have been perceived? Meghan was very, very clever in the way she spoke about Kate, making sure to mention she’s accepted her apology etc. If she wholeheartedly accepted her apology privately, she shouldn’t even be discussing it on the interview. She really did see it as a big opportunity to stick the knife into Kate
 
Yel said:
There's definitely been some

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Meghan definitely does have some genuine grievances. But the Oprah thing didn't really address them and so many things that she said don't stand up to scrutiny.

She must have been fully aware what becoming a royal would mean long before the wedding day. I really don't think she ever intended to be a part of the royal family (not that I blame her I wouldn't either). But it could have been handled far better and not upset so many - unless the aim was to create as much publicity as possible.
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In what way is this actually racist? Irreverent, yes. Riffing on a pop culture reference that's down to a truly landmark album, yes. Also factual, if indeed Doria's house was in that area. It wasn't screaming EWWWW ... UNFIT TO MARRY SACRED GINGE! It wasn't demeaning her ethnicity. It wasn't demeaning full stop unless you actually do consider living in Compton to be so shameful it should not be reported for reasons of taste and good manners. It was simply displaying the usual endless interest in the details of famous people's lives (called human interest stories) beloved of tabloids and used a headline few tabloid journos worth their salt could resist.

Kate's less than aristocratic family origins were reported on too. Not always with much if any more reverence, probably less.
 
Margo_Channing said:
I know I would like to see the proof too but whatever racism they faced here, if it ends up being worse in america what would they do?! Can't do another woe is me interview
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Meghan & Harry claim that the RF are racist, yet they have clearly not taken note of the speech TQ gave back in 1947 -

“On my twenty-first birthday I welcome the opportunity to speak to all the peoples of the British Commonwealth and Empire, wherever they live, whatever race they come from, and whatever language they speak.”

When has the US ever been so welcoming and compassionate of other nationalities?
 
Ireckon said:
I heard Megan threw hot tea over a ‘servant’
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Yes - there will be minutes of their communications with HR - and I put $$ down that she went to see HR to bitch about her salary, wardrobe, hairsytlist, schedule, transport, "Do you know who I am", that they wouldn't allow her to use HER makeup artist.
to which HR replied: you aren't an employee.
Also I don't understand this point about her being offered to continue working as an actress because the RF couldn't afford her salary? wait WHAT? That has GOT to be provably fabricated, no?
we need HR to share, share and share some more. Through proper channels, of course
 
What I don’t understand about the Piers saga this morning is the dismissal of William once again. Alex was suggesting that William has coped better than Harry??? How on earth does he know this? For all we know he also is suffering terribly with his mental health and a form of ptsd from what happened to them as children but he has opted to not say a word about it. I’m not saying that is the right thing to do but one has spoken out in great detail and the other brother has kept his experience close to his chest. Neither is wrong in my opinion but it’s insulting to suggest William has obviously coped better than Harry. William has chosen to honour his duties, the Queen and put the crown first. I’m sure this is massively detrimental to his mental health. I’m sure he would love nothing more than to bugger off and live a quiet life. That didn’t sit right with me this morning. If I was a sibling but didn’t speak out like my brother or sister that doesn’t mean I’m fine or coping 🤷‍♀️

What about William ? He walked behind that coffin too. It angers me!
 
Justhereforthedrama said:
I was wondering (insprired by the maiden comment on this thread) if we could maybe keep a fact check of the lies/contradictions/claims they have made?

I've made a start:

Fact check: Is Archie entitled to a title?

Contradiction. He can be the Earl of Dumbarton but not a prince at the minute. He will be a prince when Charles ascends to the throne, as a grandchild of the monarch. The couple claim he were denied this.



Fact check: When did the conversation about the baby’s skin colour happen?

Contradiction. Meghan says she was relayed conversations in pregnancy, Harry comes on and says comments were made when they were dating.



Fact check: Did Samantha Markle change her name to Markle when Meghan started dating Harry?

No – Samantha has posted evidence she has always used Markle



Fact check: Did they RF remove protection?

Yes, but because H+M left their job. Archie will get protection when Charles ascends to the throne and he becomes a prince. They are not entitled to tax payer funded protection.



Fact check: Why did no one give Meghan help?

Not sure. Either Harry is the shittest husband in the world for leaving his suicidal wife flailing, or something else has happened. Why did her Obstetrician also not help? Her maternity apts would have flagged MH concerns. Who declined her help from within the palace? Is her mother not a mental health counsellor? Does her husband and brother not run a mental health charity? (Heads Together)



Fact check: Did the palace purposefully not help Meghan or did they not know about it?

Contradiction. Meghan says they refused because of the optics, Harry says he didn’t tell anyone because he was ashamed.



Fact check: Did Meghan know about the RF before meeting H?

Yes. There is a picture of her outside of Buckingham Palace. She had a Diana coffee table book. She fibbed about not Googling him.



Fact check: Who made who cry?

Contradiction: M says K made her cry. K was 2.5 weeks postpartum at the time (1 week before wedding). Journalist has doubled down on her story, insisting her sources are accurate.



Fact check: When were they actually married?

Contradiction. Official wedding seen by millions. M claims they were married in the ‘back yard’ three days before by the Archbishop of Canterbury ‘just the three of us’. This is problematic because in UK law you must be married in front of witnesses. The AoC can not marry people in unofficial locations either (they must be licenced). Also, two ceremonies would be bigamy

Fact check: Did the palace refuse to stick up for Meghan in regards to false stories?

Contradiction. Meghan says she was unprotected. Facts are that the palace intervened 8 times publicly to state that a story was false. A journalist has gone on the record too to say that she did not publish stories (numerous times) as the palace corrected her on her fact checking mission. Could it have been that Meghan doesn't know about the stories that didn't make it to press?

Fact check: Meghan states she hasnt seen Samantha in 19 years

No. There is a picture of them together in 2009.
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Should we put this on the WIKI?
 
GalaxyGirl70 said:
Fair play to her, she's played top trumps with the race card and "won". But long term, they've now played their one and only hand.

She may have won this battle, she's the most talked about woman in the world. Right now, the smile on her face will be permacreased on. But long term, I still think their future is one of obscurity. They will never be welcomed back in the UK after throwing the RF under the bus like they have. I hope the Palace keep a dignified silence as I think ignoring them now is the only way to stop them.
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100% agree with this. People predicted she’d do a tell all with Oprah as soon as they saw her at the wedding (despite not being friends with either the bride or groom). True to form she has, less than 3 years after they got married.

where next? Another tell all interview? She was only in the family for a couple of years, soon the information will be out of date and the tide of public opinion will start to wonder why she’s rehashing old ground, she can only look more and more desperate.
what has she now got to offer? Neither of them are of particular interest.

she played her only card too soon. I think she’ll break up with Harry in a year or so amid the harsh criticism and blame the media.

she’ll go on to marry someone even wealthier (maybe an oil baron), while referring to herself as a duchess.

I used to think the comments about her planing her way out from the start were OTT but having Oprah and James Cordon at their wedding, was an interesting move and they’ve confirmed they planned to leave six months in. I’m starting to think Megan had her plan much earlier, she just included Harry six months after she’d gotten married.

I think if she intended on staying with Harry longer term then she would’ve held off with the interview. This interview is a sign that a divorce is on the horizon.He even looked uncomfortable, like hed been prodded and coerced into responding to some of the questions. A victim of narcissism clinging on and doing whatever it takes to keep the narc happy, if there every was one
 
FiddyWig said:
Meghan & Harry claim that the RF are racist, yet they have clearly not taken note of the speech TQ gave back in 1947 -

“On my twenty-first birthday I welcome the opportunity to speak to all the peoples of the British Commonwealth and Empire, wherever they live, whatever race they come from, and whatever language they speak.”

When has the US ever been so welcoming and compassionate of other nationalities?
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Well Ellis Island is a bit of a testament to the last 19th and early 20th century "welcoming" of other nationalities. However, in 1947 the US still had Jim Crow laws ANd in the 200+ years prior to that, the US didn't exactly demonstrate respectful guests-like courtesy to the existing Native American nations. I think my compatriots need to STFU!
 
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