Gender Discussion #69

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Vanelope said:
Boxing is not a sport I enjoy watching, men’s or women’s, but the people who do love it and want it to flourish must be absolutely furious right now with the IOC and probably the IBA as well as they have brought the sport into disrepute and been sacked off.
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Boxing is not a sport I enjoy watching, men’s or women’s,

Same here.

My patient group when I was working was giving therapy to patients who had suffered head injuries and strokes. When I see a boxing match, all I think of is brain damage waiting to happen.

However this is people's own choice, and if it's going to happen (which it is) there should be as many safety regulations as possible to protect participants. IOC is failing in their duty of care towards the female boxers here, and have, as you rightly say, brought the sport into disrepute. The crowing over a woman being beaten up, and then inappropriately sexually touched by a man, in public, was shameful.
 
VielleFemme said:
My husband texted me this today. He is very very into sport. An interesting perspective I thought.

"One thing I think also is that boxing is a sport built on immense reserves of pride and self-belief. It is very frightening to be punched. Being knocked out or forced out of a fight early is humiliating and degrading for boxers, saps their pride and self-belief and is often career ending. It can be incredibly destructive to a boxer to be forced into a mismatch in more ways than the immediate physical cost."
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It is very frightening to be punched.

This is interesting. I've never understood why anyone would want to step Into a ring and be repeatedly hit - especially in the face. I assumed that boxers for some reason, didn't experience any qualms about it - I never imagined that they are probably "psyching" themselves up every time.

I absolutely agree with the rest of your post, about the psychological effects of being forced out of a fight - especially in this sort of way. Poor girl.
 
Em_gardener said:


This is the twilight zone. Have they forgotten about Caster Semenya?
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"I would like someone to come up with a scientific definition with a scientific basis of what is a woman"

How about "adult human female" - a person who has XY chromosomes, and who produces large gametes? Its that not "scientific" enough forhim?

Meanwhile, the IOC's definition - "born as a woman, raised as a woman, lived their lives as a woman" - perhaps they'd like to explain that to all theTW out there, who are "born as men, raised as men, have lived their lives as men"?

*BIB - paraphrasing slightly - I caught the gist but not the exact wording
 
Tofino said:
The evidence is the photo of Khelif as a child wearing a dress and pigtails.
Please educate yourself and do better.


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Oh - is this him?

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Yaaaaaarrrgggghhhh I’ve been fighting with idiots on Facebook and now I feel angry and grubby.

The second they wheel out “But Michael Phelps!” I know that they don’t give a tit about sport. It’s always Michael Phelps. “Michael Phelps had amazing physical advantages, so you can’t legislate for natural performance advantages, can you?Ha! Checkmate!”.

That’s an argument for no division between men and women’s sports at all, and I honestly think some people would be Ok with that. They seem oblivious to the concept that elite sport is the pursuit of excellence within class, the first shuffle of which absolutely has to be to separate males from females, or no women would win anything, pretty much ever.

Am so depressed.
 
veronica71 said:
ok so why is there no outcry about all the ‘non conventional feminine’ women at the games then? Is it just possible that it’s because they aren’t men??
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I hate bringing her into this because I do think that women who aren't "conventionally feminine" are suffering from all this too but Ilona Maher has been one of the stars of the games so far. She's spoken out before about being impacted by conventional beauty standards and people's expectations of what a female body is but nobody is questioning her and her right to be there. She's gorgeous anyway. I hate what this is doing to strong women.

The IBA test results have brought this whole thing about. Either the IBA are tit stirring liars doing Russia's dirty work or the tests were correct. Fair enough if you don't believe the IBA but surely we should all be able to agree that if an independent test proves the boxers are male and went through male puberty they have no place in the women's competition. The IOC need to bring back sex testing. That's what everyone on both sides should be calling for. It's safe for women and it ensures that nobody's participation can be questioned no matter what they look like.
 
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