Gender Discussion #69

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Em_gardener said:
They're destroying their trans arguments with their DSD arguments.
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They will never acknowledge this though, either because they are too stupid, or because it's not really about truth, it's about power.
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Tofino said:
And did I miss the era where people tried to claim Serena Williams was a man? Because I don’t know why else people keep bringing her name into it. Unless they are misogynistic twats of course.
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Yes I keep hearing that but I don't remember anyone ever questioning Serena being a woman. I'm sure there could have been a few online but nothing that anyone took seriously and nothing mainstream??
 
Can I just thank the usual lovelies on this tiny corner of the cesspit that is the internet. I've found all this stuff really upsetting and rage inducing but the knowledgeable and hilarious posters here are keeping me sane. I stopped posting here for a while because I needed a break from all the gender bollocks but I'm back and so grateful to you all 🖤

And if you show up on a thread where plenty of women who actually know what they're talking about and plop your ill-informed nonsense with complete authority, without actually bothering to read the thread or any of the links provided, you're a twit. To steal a phrase from the other side 👏Educate👏yourself 👏
 
Em_gardener said:
I hate bringing her into this because I do think that women who aren't "conventionally feminine" are suffering from all this too but Ilona Maher has been one of the stars of the games so far. She's spoken out before about being impacted by conventional beauty standards and people's expectations of what a female body is but nobody is questioning her and her right to be there. She's gorgeous anyway. I hate what this is doing to strong women.

The IBA test results have brought this whole thing about. Either the IBA are tit stirring liars doing Russia's dirty work or the tests were correct. Fair enough if you don't believe the IBA but surely we should all be able to agree that if an independent test proves the boxers are male and went through male puberty they have no place in the women's competition. The IOC need to bring back sex testing. That's what everyone on both sides should be calling for. It's safe for women and it ensures that nobody's participation can be questioned no matter what they look like.
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Then they could have appealed the IBA results.
 
Em_gardener said:
Yes I keep hearing that but I don't remember anyone ever questioning Serena being a woman. I'm sure there could have been a few online but nothing that anyone took seriously and nothing mainstream??
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Serena did face some unpleasant comments for not being ‘correctly feminine’ (as did, for example, Lindsey Davenport), in that she was deemed not to be sufficiently ‘petite’ or ‘dainty’ in the manner of, e.g. Anna Kournikova, but her biological sex was never actually questioned as far as I know.
 
ButtonDownTheHutches said:
Serena did face some unpleasant comments for not being ‘correctly feminine’ (as did, for example, Lindsey Davenport), in that she was deemed not to be sufficiently ‘petite’ or ‘dainty’ in the manner of, e.g. Anna Kournikova, but her biological sex was never actually questioned as far as I know.
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Yuck. I think more athletes are going to face these kinds of comments if sex testing isn't brought back.
 
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