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We've recently mentioned this case of a social worker winning her case against Cambridgeshire County Council for her GC views. The case was settled before it reached trial. It's fairly standard stuff: Lizzy Pitt, the social worker, aired her GC views in a LBGT meeting at work. She said that sex is real and is a matter of biology; you can't change sex; mentioned biological in sports; and that she didn't want biological men in women's spaces.


The Council initiated disciplinary proceedings when 5 months later, 5 colleagues filed a formal complaint against her accusing her of, amongst other things, committing 'symbolic violence' (not entirely sure what this means, but I'm thinking that it's less violent than the 'literal violence' we generally hear about :D). One poor lamb couldn't sleep for two nights 'thinking about this cruelty' and another suffered 'anxiety dreams' after the meeting. I'm not sure why it took them 5 months to complain - I guess they were working through their trauma. :rolleyes:

Ms Pitt, was suspended from the LBGT group for 12 months hence her appeal to the Tribunal. I find it hilarious that these people are social workers and yet get 'traumatised' by someone merely stating biological facts and their views on biological men in sport and women's spaces. Given the wide breadth of work that social work generally entails, I do worry about how they cope doing their jobs and meeting genuine trauma victims and genuine victims of violence. Perhaps they are in the wrong profession if they are so fragile? And once again, an employer not recognising that, as was said in the Forstater case, GC beliefs are 'worthy of respect in a democratic society'.

Employers can keep on discriminating against us, and they will keep on being held to account by the Courts and made to pay out. We'll get there - eventually.
 
Imane Khalif was born female. Presumably with all the genitalia and body parts and functions that go with someone who has that has that on their birth certificate. She is not transgender, she's literally from a country were she'd be locked up in prison if she was.

Two cisgender women took part in a boxing match and people have lost their minds because they feel one of them looks man-ish leading to reports from a dubious source that she was tested and found to have XY chromosomes and a slightly higher level of testosterone than average for a woman...none of which makes her a man anyway.

A man whose dick and balls didn’t develop in properly in utero is still a man. Why are you struggling to understand this basic concept?
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It just feels like nobody gives a duck about the safety of women. It's so disheartening to see something you think is wrong and to speak up and say something only to be dismissed and mocked as being a bigoted pearl clutcher.

I just feel like I'm being told to shut up like I was when I tried to tell people about the abuse I was suffering at home. Like I'm the one shattering everyones illusions of a fantasy and they resent me for it.

It has been really frustrating especially those that are deliberately being obtuse and ignoring facts like we have seen on here. However the reason I think this topic has exploded this week is because they are panicking at the amount of people that have come out and said this is wrong. Look at the amount of likes the posts from JKR, Riley Gaines et al have had. Far, far more than their average posts. FairPlay for women said they gained 10,000 followers overnight.

This isn’t a trans issue but the TRAs have to fight this to the death because if people realise this is wrong, the penny starts to drop about biological males in other women’s spaces. That trans women will never be women. This will have peaked a lot of people. It was sport that peaked me (Rachel McKinnon) I never thought TWAW, I was rather oblivious to the whole concept of gender ideology. But seeing a man was allowed to compete against women was just so wrong to me it sent me down a rabbit hole and the rest is history. I’m sure there will be people going down this rabbit hole right now because of the boxing.

The news reporters are making me angry because they are complicit in spreading misinformation. IOC are making me incredibly angry too because all I’m seeing is wealthy men getting angry that women dare question them. They feel undermined right now and I almost feel like their response to people (women) who dare speak up about this is like they have flown into narcissistic rage. Now posting videos about online abuse in boxing? They can duck off.

When do these same people fighting so hard for these boxers ever stand up and defend biological women in the same way?
 
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A man whose dick and balls didn’t develop in properly in utero is still a man. Why are you struggling to understand this basic concept?
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It has been really frustrating especially those that are deliberately being obtuse and ignoring facts like we have seen on here. However the reason I think this topic has exploded this week is because they are panicking at the amount of people that have come out and said this is wrong. Look at the amount of likes the posts from JKR, Riley Gaines et al have had. Far, far more than their average posts. FairPlay for women said they gained 10,000 followers overnight.

This isn’t a trans issue but the TRAs have to fight this to the death because if people realise this is wrong, the penny starts to drop about biological males in other women’s spaces. That trans women will never be women. This will have peaked a lot of people. It was sport that peaked me (Rachel McKinnon) I never thought TWAW, I was rather oblivious to the whole concept of gender ideology. But seeing a man was allowed to compete against women was just so wrong to me it sent me down a rabbit hole and the rest is history. I’m sure there will be people going down this rabbit hole right now because of the boxing.

The news reporters are making me angry because they are complicit in spreading misinformation. IOC are making me incredibly angry too because all I’m seeing is wealthy men getting angry that women dare question them. They feel undermined right now and I almost feel like their response to people (women) who dare speak up about this is like they have flown into narcissistic rage. Now posting videos about online abuse in boxing? They can duck off.

When do these same people fighting so hard for these boxers ever stand up and defend biological women in the same way?
Ooh the "narcissistic rage" is so on the button.

People seem to view stating facts as "literal" violence but turn a blind eye to the actual physical threats and assaults to women. It's all "be kind" toxicity until you ask a question or disagree and then you are a brain dead bigot who deserves to die.
 
Ooh the "narcissistic rage" is so on the button.

People seem to view stating facts as "literal" violence but turn a blind eye to the actual physical threats and assaults to women. It's all "be kind" toxicity until you ask a question or disagree and then you are a brain dead bigot who deserves to die.

the IOC behaviour is also like a darvo response. Deny the problem, attack those condemning them, reverse the roles of attacker and victim.

The men beating women for sport are now the victims here.

And you’re right, the nastiest attacks (usually towards women) often come from the bekind and inclusive brigade.
 
I have to ask have you seen him? In no way whatsoever does this person resemble a female! His broad shoulders, thick nevk, Adam’s Apple, evidence of shaving facial hair, no waist, male jawline, male gait …. I mean com
Imane Khalif was born female. Presumably with all the genitalia and body parts and functions that go with someone who has that has that on their birth certificate. She is not transgender, she's literally from a country were she'd be locked up in prison if she was.

Two cisgender women took part in a boxing match and people have lost their minds because they feel one of them looks man-ish leading to reports from a dubious source that she was tested and found to have XY chromosomes and a slightly higher level of testosterone than average for a woman...none of which makes her a man anyway.
There is NO SUCH THING AS CIS GENDER! Women. Just women, has been true since the Dawn of time. FFS
 
A baking account on Instagram I follow just did a breakdown of why people were being mean to woman with DSD Khelif and how they were all wrong. This has really got to everyone on both sides if a baking account is getting involved. They also got the fundamental thing wrong that having the DSD and XY chromosomes makes a person physiologically male.
 
But the response to this is that we have all just fallen for Russian propaganda designed to take down "the West". We are already doing a good enough job at that ourselves, Russia don't need to do tit!

If people are thinking that maybe they should log off for a bit and reacquaint themselves with the outside and normal people and opinions
 
the IOC behaviour is also like a darvo response. Deny the problem, attack those condemning them, reverse the roles of attacker and victim.

The men beating women for sport are now the victims here.

And you’re right, the nastiest attacks (usually towards women) often come from the bekind and inclusive brigade.
It is like a DARVO response, I thought that when the IOC spokesperson started on about Trans people in a reply to a journalists question that did not bring them up, classic deflecting and deliberate conflating. He even said "I know you're not saying that" in his reply 🙃 like, wtf!???

I see it on Tattle all the time, where you post an opinion on something and then someone replies with something totally unrelated that you didn't even say ie "it's wrong to kick puppies, anyone who thinks this is okay needs to be imprisoned" and everyone piles on, likes it and fawns over them and your left with the reputation of being a puppy kicker when all you said is you didn't like people not picking up their dogs tit. What's the word for that!?
 
It is like a DARVO response, I thought that when the IOC spokesperson started on about Trans people in a reply to a journalists question that did not bring them up, classic deflecting and deliberate conflating. He even said "I know you're not saying that" in his reply 🙃 like, wtf!???

I see it on Tattle all the time, where you post an opinion on something and then someone replies with something totally unrelated that you didn't even say ie "it's wrong to kick puppies, anyone who thinks this is okay needs to be imprisoned" and everyone piles on, likes it and fawns over them and your left with the reputation of being a puppy kicker when all you said is you didn't like people not picking up their dogs tit. What's the word for that!?

False equivalence?

 
Clearly this person was brought up as a girl and I'm fairly sure pink dresses weren't her thing. I was attempting to clarify where the confusion was on my end. Declaring an adult who has lived her whole life a woman - and who has always been a deemed a woman by society - a man because of some tests, is kind if confusing and off-putting, IMO. Happy to leave it there.

If my mother had decided to dress my brother as a girl, and he'd "lived" or been "raised" as a girl or whatever, would that make him, now, at 6ft5, 17 stone, with thighs that are thicker than my waist, any different than any other man? Would you be happy for him to fight your daughter, sister or mother?
 
Motte and Bailey fallacy?


Am in despair this morning, a friend has her fb feed awash with accusations that only MAGA knuckle draggers could object to Khelif, that Carini “weaponised white womens tears”, and is “whining” and Khelif is being shamed for being a woman with high testosterone who doesn’t owe you femininity. Anyone objecting is a racist and a transphobe. This woman graduated from Harvard and holds down a senior role. I bleeping give up.
 
Seeing so many women I know defend this is appalling - even mocking the Italian boxer, how she needs to grow up and accept she sucks at boxing, how she shouldn't be boxing if she can't handle being 'hitty hitty' as they put it...

Clearly having an XY chromosome and elevated testosterone would give her a physical/biological boost.

The IOC is a corrupt organization to begin with so the response isn't shocking to me.
 
Not sure I’m going to express this properly but here goes..
I think the treatment of these boys with ambiguous/underdeveloped genitalia is in itself misogynistic.
Women don’t equal…lacking. We are not just men that are lacking. Why does our biology truly mean nothing. Our unique health experiences and our biological material reality mean nothing. Don’t have a penis? Oh you can just be a women then.

I’ve just been rereading about Sophie Ottaway who was born male with disfigured genitalia. They took away the male genitals (including perfectly healthy testes) and fashioned a hole. Sophie describes the “vagina” as plopping out in the nappy. The doctors put it back inside the baby and then sealed the hole shut. Sophie in adult life then had brown ooze and suffered sepsis. The medical pathway they put Sophie on affected their whole life.

Putting a hole into a person = female. What can that hole do? Well nothing except nearly kill you in this case. To me it means that women are really just seen as a receptacle for a penis. You’re a hole. That’s the function that makes you a woman apparently.

I don’t know why some women can’t see that this isn’t a fight for “bathrooms and sports” (as Rob Delaney mockingly labelled it) it is a fight for our material reality and a place in the world where we are not just humans that are lacking being men. Our reality as women means something. Not a thought in a man’s head. Not a hole. Not the absence of male. Not something obtained by outfits or haircuts. Not being constantly told to make our space, reality and existence in this World smaller and smaller.
 
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Ah yes that does seem to be it!! I was more referring to the emotional manipulation aspect of it, as in what is that called... but maybe it doesn't have a name.

Maybe it’s a type of gaslighting?

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