Gender Discussion #69

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IdeletedbutI'mbackagain said:
The fights on at 16:22.
I won't be watching it but I'm sure it will be a viewing spike for the Olympics.
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I’m not watching for this very reason. If they get high viewing figures they will be more likely to pull this tit next olympics too.

Will check here for the news afterwards, hope the Hungarian lady doesn’t get seriously hurt.
 
Tofino said:
I looked at her insta last night and couldn’t see any stories so I’m wondering if she was already told to delete them. Possible they had just expired past 24hrs. IOC will be furious about it.
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Hamori apparently got told to delete her posts or face sanctions.

But both Hungary and Bulgaria are putting pressure on the IOC. This isn’t going away

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MmmB777 said:
Not sure I’m going to express this properly but here goes..
I think the treatment of these boys with ambiguous/underdeveloped genitalia is in itself misogynistic.
Women don’t equal…lacking. We are not just men that are lacking. Why does our biology truly mean nothing. Our unique health experiences and our biological material reality mean nothing. Don’t have a penis? Oh you can just be a women then.

I’ve just been rereading about Sophie Ottaway who was born male with disfigured genitalia. They took away the male genitals (including perfectly healthy testes) and fashioned a hole. Sophie describes the “vagina” as plopping out in the nappy. The doctors put it back inside the baby and then sealed the hole shut. Sophie in adult life then had brown ooze and suffered sepsis. The medical pathway they put Sophie on affected their whole life.

Putting a hole into a person = female. What can that hole do? Well nothing except nearly kill you in this case. To me it means that women are really just seen as a receptacle for a penis. You’re a hole. That’s the function that makes you a woman apparently.

I don’t know why some women can’t see that this isn’t a fight for “bathrooms and sports” (as Rob Delaney mockingly labelled it) it is a fight for our material reality and a place in the world where we are not just humans that are lacking being men. Our reality as women means something. Not a thought in a man’s head. Not a hole. Not the absence of male. Not something obtained by outfits or haircuts. Not being constantly told to make our space, reality and existence in this World smaller and smaller.
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An excellent post - thank you.

women are really just seen as a receptacle for a penis.

This is what so many men (and apparently some women) seem to think. This is doubtless why we have the foul expression "bonus hole" as an alternative term for the vagina.

Women are not just a flesh bag of useful orifices - we are living, breathing, incredible human beings with a unique role in the world. Our biology, our experiences, our "woman-ness" cannot be replicated. Nature has designed us in a particular way, with particular capacities and potentialities, and NO MAN - no matter how gentle, no matter how effeminate, no matter how surgically altered, or hormonally enhanced can EVER BECOME FEMALE.

The biggest, butchest, meanest XX witch is a woman: the daintiest, most compliant "ladyboy" or TW remains a man - whether people like it or not, that is a FACT.
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Metropolis said:
It definitely sounds as if someone pressured Carini into making her subsequent statement. It’s redolent of the retractions we are used to reading after a TRA pile on, especially the bit about ‘embracing her’. I bet she was getting threats from captured sponsors who have conflated the issue with ‘transphobia’.

‘All this controversy makes me sad,’ she told Gazzetta dello Sport. ‘I'm sorry for my opponent, too. If the IOC said she can fight, I respect that decision.’
Carini, 25, also expressed regret at not shaking hands with Khelif afterwards.
‘It wasn't something I intended to do,’ she said. ‘Actually, I want to apologise to her and everyone else. I was angry because my Olympics had gone up in smoke.’
She added that if she met Khelif again, she would ‘embrace her’. :(

Meanwhile, Luca Hamori who is due to face Khelif today, posted the following picture on social media

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It definitely sounds as if someone pressured Carini into making her subsequent statement. It’s redolent of the retractions we are used to reading after a TRA pile on

It's redolent of the forced"confessions" in Stalinist Russia.
 
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I’m so sickened at the absolute wilful ignorance that’s just so so prevalent around this - it’s really not that difficult to understand, is it? Ambiguous genitalia, registered and raised as a girl, puberty kicks in, boom.

I did a paid online survey the other day, (legit, honest) which entailed looking at photos of labia, and rating whether I thought they were normal, deformed, attractive, like my own(!). After several of these it occurred to me they were ALL normal (confirmed by the post survey info). The differences really were more than I ever would have thought though - it’s not as if I’ve ever examined anyone else’s labia in real life. I can see how ‘ambiguous’ could easily be applied.
 
TheMiceInTheShed said:
“In many countries, speculation about women’s gender identity or sex characteristics can put their lives at risk."

So stop the speculation, IOC - do the cheek swabs, then no-one needs to speculate. The authorities will know, and those people "whose lives are at risk" can just quietly retire from the arena. No adverse publicity at all.

This simple, non-invasive test will also prevent other lives from being put at risk - WOMEN'S LIVES.
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A cheek swab test is less intrusive than the Covid test. The IOC is a corrupt organisation, ruled by money and men.
 
MmmB777 said:
Not sure I’m going to express this properly but here goes..
I think the treatment of these boys with ambiguous/underdeveloped genitalia is in itself misogynistic.
Women don’t equal…lacking. We are not just men that are lacking. Why does our biology truly mean nothing. Our unique health experiences and our biological material reality mean nothing. Don’t have a penis? Oh you can just be a women then.

I’ve just been rereading about Sophie Ottaway who was born male with disfigured genitalia. They took away the male genitals (including perfectly healthy testes) and fashioned a hole. Sophie describes the “vagina” as plopping out in the nappy. The doctors put it back inside the baby and then sealed the hole shut. Sophie in adult life then had brown ooze and suffered sepsis. The medical pathway they put Sophie on affected their whole life.

Putting a hole into a person = female. What can that hole do? Well nothing except nearly kill you in this case. To me it means that women are really just seen as a receptacle for a penis. You’re a hole. That’s the function that makes you a woman apparently.

I don’t know why some women can’t see that this isn’t a fight for “bathrooms and sports” (as Rob Delaney mockingly labelled it) it is a fight for our material reality and a place in the world where we are not just humans that are lacking being men. Our reality as women means something. Not a thought in a man’s head. Not a hole. Not the absence of male. Not something obtained by outfits or haircuts. Not being constantly told to make our space, reality and existence in this World smaller and smaller.
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I was just reading a few articles about Sophie Ottaway - so distressing what happened to her and her parents. I would recommend people taking a look if they have time, she's a very engaging interviewee.

It just seems blindingly obvious to me that we'll be reading similar things about surgeons and the 'done thing at the time' in the upcoming years, in relation to 'gender affirming care'. Why haven't we learned from this. People bravely telling their stories and we disregard the lessons.

This quote from Sophie I thought particularly interesting:

‘So if I’m in a place of pain, it makes no difference if they give me bollocks and a dick because I’m still in a place of pain – and I think, well if I go and put on another suit, would it resolve my pain? No, because I’m still not fully a boy, or fully a girl. So then you have to say, well what am I? I’m a soul, just navigating through this life.’
 
Tofino said:
But they are corrupt! Why would you believe anything they say! Not like the IOC. The organisation that’s allowed a convicted paedophile in their games. They are not corrupt at all.
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I blame the Dutch Olympic selection committee or whatever they're called for that more than the IOC. They should never have selected him. Even if he wins a medal it's going to be tainted. Nobody is going to celebrate it.
 
Em_gardener said:
I blame the Dutch Olympic selection committee or whatever they're called for that more than the IOC. They should never have selected him. Even if he wins a medal it's going to be tainted. Nobody is going to celebrate it.
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But how difficult is it for the IOC have rules that prevent paedos and murderers, for example, being selected for the Olympic Games? It's just as easy as saying all female competitors need an swab test.
 
Em_gardener said:
I blame the Dutch Olympic selection committee or whatever they're called for that more than the IOC. They should never have selected him. Even if he wins a medal it's going to be tainted. Nobody is going to celebrate it.
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I agree it’s not just IOC but like with the criteria for women’s sports, they absolve themselves of any responsibility by delegating these decisions to other bodies. But they should absolutely have a baseline that doesn’t allow countries like the NL to put forward convicted paedophiles to compete. I primarily hold IOC responsible for allowing it to happen.
 
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