Coronavirus Disease Outbreak COVID-19 #95

Freedom day

  • Open up 21st June!

    Votes: 187 58.3%

  • I'm ok with a 2 week delay

    Votes: 29 9.0%

  • I'm ok with a 4 week delay

    Votes: 30 9.3%

  • I'm ok with waiting longer if the scientists say so

    Votes: 75 23.4%
  • Total voters
    321
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HoGi said:
Except we have vaccinated a lot of people now so it is a totally different situation to last year.

Because, as you keep pointing out, it was given as the earliest possible date that they would open/restrictions ease. These businesses are absolutely on their knees. So they need to open at the earliest possible opportunity
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I suppose it depends on how you interpret the word 'possible'.
 
Moth said:
I suppose it depends on how you interpret the word 'possible'.
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It's got nothing to do with the interpretation of the word possible.

These businesses will not survive. They are real people with homes and families.

Nightclubs haven't been open for nearly 16 months. Gigs haven't happened for 16 months. Bars, restaurants, pubs, theatres, cinemas etc. All operating at limited capacity which makes earning profit difficult. Then there are hotels where people would normally stay over night after shows etc. The wedding industry...there aren't even words.

These businesses are being absolutely crippled. They were given hope in February that they would finally be able to start making some money and it's potentially going to be extended by at least another 4 weeks.

And ok as you keep saying it was never set in stone, it was always earliest etc. We can argue semantics for days but this is real people's lives. And sure people are dying from covid, on average 7 a day. How low do the covid death figures need to be for the final stage to happen?

Boris said data not dates yet he gave us dates not data. These industries were right to pin their hopes on these dates as it was all they were given.
 
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Says it all. There haven’t been weddings on the usual scale since Christmas 2019 - how much longer do these businesses have to survive on zero income (not to mention also needing to refund couples who decide they’ve had enough of postponing and want to cancel?)
 
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I struggle to see how we are in a worst position now (or feels that way) than last summer with a vaccine. I feel we have more restrictions now then last summer. If we can’t get out of it now in summer than I don’t think it’s looking good for winter unfortunately. If I gets pushed back four weeks which looks likely I struggle to see what that will achieve if anything cases numbers will have gone up higher in 4 weeks

I think the bad feeling amongst people is how pissed off people are with one rule for one. You see Boris at the G7 breaking rules yet they want to impose more rules on us. If you were at a wedding doing that it would be a £10,000 fine it’s just ridiculous
 
bellinibobble said:
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Says it all. There haven’t been weddings on the usual scale since Christmas 2019 - how much longer do these businesses have to survive on zero income (not to mention also needing to refund couples who decide they’ve had enough of postponing and want to cancel?)
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This is just about the weddings sector too right? I wonder what the actual figures are for all businesses (inc nightclubs, theatres etc) combined. It’s so so sad we’ve got to such a great point in the pandemic and are still facing this level of financial hardship/ruin.
 
Gym&Tonic said:
Really I think this pandemic has highlighted how self absorbed and entitled a lot of people are.

‘But I neeeeeeeeeeeed a foreign holiday’ - No you don’t. Yes they’re nice but you don’t ‘need’ one.

’But I want to go to a festival/gig/club/cinema!’ - Tough. Don’t we teach our children that you can’t always get what you want?

’But I want a big party with all my friendssssss’ - See above

We in the U.K. don’t know we are born.
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It's not just about people's needs though. To a point I agree a little with what you're saying, but take thinking about ourselves away for a minute.

With no holidays means the travel and tourism industry and each country losing millions of pounds.
The airports are still having to pay their rent at tens of thousands of pounds a month.
Airlines still have fuloughed staff that they have to pay towards, and that is costing the taxpayer billions.
Further down that chain come the catering staff, further down the catering industry losing money because there's no demand.
Think of the shit magazines you get onboard - whoever prints them will be hit. Think of the tiny aspects you'd never Think of and more delays are affecting them.

Hospitality will lose billions as well. Again, it's not just that people neeeed to go to festivals ect. Think of who's will be affected - the land owners losing money with not being able to rent it out, the companies that provide portaloos, the companies that make the tacky shit you buy there. The food stall holders - so again affecting the food chain suppliers.

Pubs are running at reduced capacity for yet another month (probably more) and that means reduced income, reduced menus (food and drink supply again). That will again cost billions.

Then there's cinemas, theatres, community clubs, self employed fitness classes, hall hires, weddings... all of them have companies down the chain that are also losing out - decorators, florists, DJ's ect

So no, it's not about what one person neeeeeeds - it's about what millions of people need to work and survive. All the people that neeeeeeed these things would be keeping millions of people employed and saving the taxpayer billions in unneccessary furlough right now if we unlocked on the 21st
 
HoGi said:
It's got nothing to do with the interpretation of the word possible.

These businesses will not survive. They are real people with homes and families.

Nightclubs haven't been open for nearly 16 months. Gigs haven't happened for 16 months. Bars, restaurants, pubs, theatres, cinemas etc. All operating at limited capacity which makes earning profit difficult. Then there are hotels where people would normally stay over night after shows etc. The wedding industry...there aren't even words.

These businesses are being absolutely crippled. They were given hope in February that they would finally be able to start making some money and it's potentially going to be extended by at least another 4 weeks.

And ok as you keep saying it was never set in stone, it was always earliest etc. We can argue semantics for days but this is real people's lives. And sure people are dying from covid, on average 7 a day. How low do the covid death figures need to be for the final stage to happen?

Boris said data not dates yet he gave us dates not data. These industries were right to pin their hopes on these dates as it was all they were given.
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Nobody is debating that it's affecting real people. I have plenty of experience of that and said it in my previous post. Reminding that it was never promised to be 21st June is not semantics. It is a statement of fact. What you seem to be saying is that some people assumed the earliest possible date and the earliest possible opportunity would be the same thing.

The criteria that the government will use to decide when the restrictions can be lifted was published months ago and the data is freely available. Indeed you quote some of it. You might reasonably argue that the data shows that 21st is the earliest possible opportunity. Others will disagree. That's why I said that it depends how you interpret the word 'possible'.
 
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OK our local buses first bus aka worst bus
Must wear mask and keep windows open.
A prerecorded West Country accent talks please leave windows open at all times ventilation is key this us a airborne virus.
Wear your last properly don't let it slip.
Keep everyone safe so maybe my senior age child is safer on the bus than that classroom poorly ventilated classroom of 30 no masks.
May 17th the tape came off the seats and they allowing more people on.

Just for record not accused anyone being conspiracy theorists.
I fear boris main problem and he's done this before is he sets arbitrary dates too far in advance like Xmas all over again which snatched away from us at last minute.
May 17th shouldn't have been lifted we knew we had issues with new varient then.

I agree seems like double standards over g7 conference.
I would love holiday abroad but accepted that may not happen for many years.
Sorry for those having hard time.

For me allowing majority business to open and school open is key.
Furlough should be more targeted towards industry that cant open.
We should never have allowed travel until everyone was vaccinated.
Only a small % would have travelled mostly people with money..
Instead thats restricted and delayed freedoms of others who have no interest in travelling.
So eventually the majority will suffer because of a minority mostly the wealthy who can afford travel abroad or the theatre.

We have to make some tough choices i don't think we can have all right now or any time in near future.
This does not mean revel in lockodown or restrictions.
That I don't give a shit about other
That I support the government and are jot angry with it.

Watched sky news earlier always doom and gloom and felt irrationally angry

Autumn we get we would have been ok if wasenf for Kent varient
Now we would been ok if wasent for Indian varient..
They made 1 valid point cant ignore.
The current vaccines were old varient
We have no idea about this new varient.
I genuinely think government are secretly worried.

I'm worried as entire senior school now shut near me.
My 3 kids education and mental health has suffered.
I home schooled twice.
We suffered financially this year.

Its not a competition about who had it worst.
We been lucky we haven't had covid or lost any family or freinds too it but we recognise many have and are living with non covid.
We keep comparing other viruses but its not like other viruses .
 
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