Carrie Hope Fletcher #32 Girl got dumped, thread got bumped

[TechnicallyNo]

Do we know what the 'process' is for teaching under 18's? Can anyone do it or does there need to be certain criteria met in order to teach legally and safely? Especially in a virtual setting?

You would need a DBS check as a minimum.
Which I’m pretty sure Carrie wouldn’t have in the time it took her to announce the idea and book the slots. Let’s hope they’re not under 18.
Zoom would come with its own horrendous safety concerns for a 1-2-1.
My daughter had online music lessons during Covid and all of the teachers had a risk assessment, DBS plus written permission from parents.
Even stuff include like lessons must not be in a bedroom, the child must be fully clothed ie: not Pajamas etc it was a very detailed document.
Anyone who doesn’t have these safety measures in place I would be scrutinising v carefully however ‘famous’ they were.

 

[TiredCapricorn]

Do we know what the 'process' is for teaching under 18's? Can anyone do it or does there need to be certain criteria met in order to teach legally and safely? Especially in a virtual setting?

Also, I absolutely love how she said "what would make you come specifically to me for a session?" Gee I wonder...

Long-time lurker, don't think I've posted on this thread before! But to do a one-to-one lesson over video call with under 18s is absolutely something that would be considered a safeguarding risk in and of itself. I would imagine Carrie would need a DBS check at the very least, and probably some safeguarding training really (I am a secondary school teacher, I'm not a safeguarding expert but am very aware of how important it is for anyone who works with children). When we were teaching online during lockdown, at lots of schools you couldn't even let students put their cameras on or sometimes even microphones because of safeguarding. And anything one-to-one is a bigger risk. Not trying to suggest in any way that she would be trying to do anything untoward, but the point of safeguarding training/policy/strategy is to eliminate the possibility.

You also need to be able to recognise signs of abuse/neglect and know what to do if a child discloses that they or another child is at risk of harm. This link might be useful https://musiciansunion.org.uk/worki...ching/working-as-a-music-teacher/safeguarding

 

[TechnicallyNo]

Long-time lurker, don't think I've posted on this thread before! But to do a one-to-one lesson over video call with under 18s is absolutely something that would be considered a safeguarding risk in and of itself. I would imagine Carrie would need a DBS check at the very least, and probably some safeguarding training really (I am a secondary school teacher, I'm not a safeguarding expert but am very aware of how important it is for anyone who works with children). When we were teaching online during lockdown, at lots of schools you couldn't even let students put their cameras on or sometimes even microphones because of safeguarding. And anything one-to-one is a bigger risk. Not trying to suggest in any way that she would be trying to do anything untoward, but the point of safeguarding training/policy/strategy is to eliminate the possibility.

You also need to be able to recognise signs of abuse/neglect and know what to do if a child discloses that they or another child is at risk of harm. This link might be useful https://musiciansunion.org.uk/worki...ching/working-as-a-music-teacher/safeguarding

All of this.
Safeguarding, risk assessment, TRAINING is to protect the child AND The teacher.
If she is teaching singing in any way she should be careful. She has ruined her own voice with lack of training. To pass this (lack of) technique to others is completely irresponsible.

 

[Sanctified]

Thanks so much for the input guys! I thought a DBS check might be necessary but wasn't sure if it applied to working with kids in a virtual setting - but it makes sense to. The whole point of those is to protect young children or vulnerable adults. Not that I believe Carrie has any malicious intent.


And no way has she ever written a risk assessment lol. She certainly wouldn't have drafted one up in the half hour it went from a hypothetical idea to opening slots.

OT slightly, my old vocal teacher knew all the scientific terms (eg anatomy, phonation etc), techniques to sing in a safe and healthy way to avoid straining, and could play piano to help whatever I was singing, whether it was scales, warmups, songs I wanted to sing or just different arrangements. Carrie could never

 

[sun_and_stars]

Do we know what the 'process' is for teaching under 18's? Can anyone do it or does there need to be certain criteria met in order to teach legally and safely? Especially in a virtual setting?

Also, I absolutely love how she said "what would make you come specifically to me for a session?" Gee I wonder...

Hi fully qualified teacher here
Hosting a lesson over zoom, does not make you a teacher, two years of assessments and hard work makes you a teacher…

there are a bunch of safety concerns here, you need a full background check, DBS, possibly parental consent 1 to 1, and also the actual ability to teach!! which i’m afraid, carrie definitely does not have! Asking for so much money, for something you have never done before, gives me major ick!

 

[cookiedough_doh]

Hi fully qualified teacher here
Hosting a lesson over zoom, does not make you a teacher, two years of assessments and hard work makes you a teacher…

there are a bunch of safety concerns here, you need a full background check, DBS, possibly parental consent 1 to 1, and also the actual ability to teach!! which i’m afraid, carrie definitely does not have! Asking for so much money, for something you have never done before, gives me major ick!

I’m a qualified instrumental music teacher and over lockdowns, taught up to 40 lessons a week on zoom. I had to have numerous DBS, and safeguarding training, not to mention permission from parents and a note saying that they would be in the room while the lesson took place. There were also rules about where the lesson could take place (not their bedroom for example) and they had to wear their school uniform to avoid the risk of students rocking up to the lesson in their pyjamas!!
It makes me so mad that she thinks she can just give lessons when she needs some extra cash while also pulling a fee out of her ass - £45 for 30mins is outrageous!!! I went to one of the best music schools in the country for postgraduate studies and the teachers there earn about £60/hour - and these are internationally renowned teachers who have spent decades studying their instrument. As a fully qualified teacher myself, I charge at the most £45/hour and she’s getting double that.
The absolute CHEEK of her to prey on young people like this - and what, because she realised she could make an easy buck from it.

 

[salatblader]

I have some actual tea on this. They didn’t get on.

From what I know.. his family are very straight talking, to the point, working class northerners. Salt of the earth. Lady Fletcher wasn’t fawned over or treated like a celebrity and she didn’t like it, so from there on made 0 effort with them.

Wooah..! Do you know if the sister joined the surprise birthday party Carrie threw for him?

 

[TechnicallyNo]

I’m a qualified instrumental music teacher and over lockdowns, taught up to 40 lessons a week on zoom. I had to have numerous DBS, and safeguarding training, not to mention permission from parents and a note saying that they would be in the room while the lesson took place. There were also rules about where the lesson could take place (not their bedroom for example) and they had to wear their school uniform to avoid the risk of students rocking up to the lesson in their pyjamas!!
It makes me so mad that she thinks she can just give lessons when she needs some extra cash while also pulling a fee out of her ass - £45 for 30mins is outrageous!!! I went to one of the best music schools in the country for postgraduate studies and the teachers there earn about £60/hour - and these are internationally renowned teachers who have spent decades studying their instrument. As a fully qualified teacher myself, I charge at the most £45/hour and she’s getting double that.
The absolute CHEEK of her to prey on young people like this - and what, because she realised she could make an easy buck from it.

All you have said is absolutely correct and what my daughter’s music teachers were required to do. Zoom is an absolute minefield for minors.

 

[thisiscat]

I will say that as an actor (I use that term loosely) Carrie should already have at least a basic DBS check. All actors, even extras/background artists have to have a basic DBS certificate in order to work because they could start working with children at any time. Her agent should be checking in with her to make sure her DBS is up to date. But this does not mean she is qualified to teach. The fact that Carrie has thrown together some lessons in one day based on a poll on her instastories has RED FLAG painted all over it!

 

[TechnicallyNo]

I so want a Q and A
Someone needs to ask what her qualifications are (which is not the same as experience)
I’d also want to know what she could offer ME not expecting me to ask her? That’s NOT the way sessions work?
I suspect Joel has suggested she does this as ‘easy money’ as it’s something he does on the regular and with her huge fan base ‘she’d be missing a trick’ etc
I wonder what the qualified industry professionals think of this latest ‘idea’

 

[dull-board1243]

I’m a qualified instrumental music teacher and over lockdowns, taught up to 40 lessons a week on zoom. I had to have numerous DBS, and safeguarding training, not to mention permission from parents and a note saying that they would be in the room while the lesson took place. There were also rules about where the lesson could take place (not their bedroom for example) and they had to wear their school uniform to avoid the risk of students rocking up to the lesson in their pyjamas!!
It makes me so mad that she thinks she can just give lessons when she needs some extra cash while also pulling a fee out of her ass - £45 for 30mins is outrageous!!! I went to one of the best music schools in the country for postgraduate studies and the teachers there earn about £60/hour - and these are internationally renowned teachers who have spent decades studying their instrument. As a fully qualified teacher myself, I charge at the most £45/hour and she’s getting double that.
The absolute CHEEK of her to prey on young people like this - and what, because she realised she could make an easy buck from it.

I take harp lessons, and I can confirm that my teacher charges max $60/hr. Carrie absolutely overcharged for her “classes”.

She can’t commit to a podcast, or even to a YouTube series. Remember her failed “showverview” flop? How is this time gonna be any different?

If she decides she can’t commit, will she refund or take the money and run?

 

[TechnicallyNo]

If you want to get ‘close’ to your idol it’s better value than a cameo when the interaction is one way

 

[thisiscat]

My goodness, is this woman capable of taking a nice photo? Everyone else is smiling and laughing and she has to pull a face! Carrie, put your tongue away!
This is on Lauren Stroud’s Instagram btw.

 

[TechnicallyNo]

So what happens when a ‘over enthusiastic’ (stalker type) books her?
How is she going to decide based on minimal information from Instagram that they are genuinely looking for a ATS 1-2-1 session and not just a way to ‘get closer’?
I think a group session in a public setting is the way to go here - when she’s put in the hours necessary to be able to ‘teach’ and is qualified to do so?
I think someone further up mentioned the terminology. Carrie doesn’t even read music so how will she describe the voice in any other way than. It’s sad - lower your voice. You’re angry at this point in the song - show passion by belting? actually hilarious if it wasn’t so shocking.
Of course they’ll always be starry eyed folks willing to part ways with their cash in hopes of getting ‘something’ from an idol. The ‘something’ in this case will result in them getting a bit lighter on the pocket front and even lighter on the knowledge front.
All the teachers who train for years to impart knowledge and the fact she thinks she can have the brilliant idea at 4pm and be up and teaching at 8pm without a lesson plan is an insult to teachers everywhere.
Hopefully this will die a quick death and will go the way of her podcast.

 

[weelyns]

What’s the betting she is bombarded with renditions of On My Own, I Dreamed a Dream, Pulled, I Say No, etc from super fans. She might love the ego boost mind you and she should at least be in familiar territory in terms of talking about intent and motivation of the character. I did a masterclass with Kerry Ellis a good few years back but I was determined to avoid songs she was known for like No-one But You and Defying Gravity because, to me, it seemed kinda tacky to do that.

 

[Sanctified]

I will say that as an actor (I use that term loosely) Carrie should already have at least a basic DBS check. All actors, even extras/background artists have to have a basic DBS certificate in order to work because they could start working with children at any time. Her agent should be checking in with her to make sure her DBS is up to date. But this does not mean she is qualified to teach. The fact that Carrie has thrown together some lessons in one day based on a poll on her instastories has RED FLAG painted all over it!

Does a DBS for one job transfer over to another job? I'm only asking because I did some freelance work that required a DBS and a few months later, did some volunteer work that also required one but I had to get a new check done because it was a different job, although both instances were within like six months of each other.

Hopefully she's reading these threads and getting a bit nervous about her decision lol

 

[kev1974]

Does a DBS for one job transfer over to another job? I'm only asking because I did some freelance work that required a DBS and a few months later, did some volunteer work that also required one but I had to get a new check done because it was a different job, although both instances were within like six months of each other.

Hopefully she's reading these threads and getting a bit nervous about her decision lol

No you have to do it again for each employer.

I was just thinking, she's going to be doing her halloween tit again any day now isn't she. Probably the moment the 1st September arrives.

 

[GrilledCheese]

What's her plan if someone asks her something she can't do eg read sheet music, or an obsessed fan continuously steers the topic to things she doesn't expect eg Oliver. Teachers are trained to pick up on a number of things and how to handle situations on top of knowing the topic they're teaching inside out. It's not something that can be learned within an afternoon because she's not doing anything at 8pm and can squeeze someone in on the same day she had the idea

I'm not a teacher but I can't imagine how an actual teacher would feel reading this. I would be raging if she insulted my field of work like that. People train for years for a reason. They charge high £ based on experience. Carrie is just greedy and wants to skip all of that

 

[Sanctified]

What's her plan if someone asks her something she can't do eg read sheet music, or an obsessed fan continuously steers the topic to things she doesn't expect eg Oliver. Teachers are trained to pick up on a number of things and how to handle situations on top of knowing the topic they're teaching inside out. It's not something that can be learned within an afternoon because she's not doing anything at 8pm and can squeeze someone in on the same day she had the idea

I'm not a teacher but I can't imagine how an actual teacher would feel reading this. I would be raging if she insulted my field of work like that. People train for years for a reason. They charge high £ based on experience. Carrie is just greedy and wants to skip all of that

Why do something you don't even participate in yourself?

 

[TechnicallyNo]

Does a DBS for one job transfer over to another job? I'm only asking because I did some freelance work that required a DBS and a few months later, did some volunteer work that also required one but I had to get a new check done because it was a different job, although both instances were within like six months of each other.

Hopefully she's reading these threads and getting a bit nervous about her decision lol

No you need one for each