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veevee04 said:
I'm starting to think Richard Gadd is a bit of prick who's obsessed with fame. He could have changed the script most stalking victims are scared of being murdered and it starting up again. He's obviously not scared of Martha he's choosing to mostly target her not his rapist because she is more vulnerable and has less power. He's fanning the flames for his shot at fame and money.
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Yeah I'm starting to think the same to be honest.
 
veevee04 said:
I'm starting to think Richard Gadd is a bit of prick who's obsessed with fame. He could have changed the script most stalking victims are scared of being murdered and it starting up again. He's obviously not scared of Martha he's choosing to mostly target her not his rapist because she is more vulnerable and has less power. He's fanning the flames for his shot at fame and money.
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Thinking the same tbh. As much as I will not sympathize with a stalker, because they ruin lives, there is something not sitting right with me about Gadd either.
 
LittlePea said:
This is what I find quite troubling.

She’s so seriously mentally unwell that no one will believe anything she says - what if the cafe part really didn’t happen? I have no doubt she did stalk him, she’s as good as admitted to it and that in itself is simply awful, as is the language she uses to talk about minorities, but how much of what was portrayed in BR was fiction and included for dramatic effect?

I think that topic of BR is so important but I feel like it should have been made as a factual documentary really. I really can’t decide how I feel about RG’s motives. It’s all very complex
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This is my increasing feeling too. We don't know where the line between fiction and reality actually is.

When I first watched BR, I was horrified and appalled at what Richard Gadd had been through. Felt hugely sympathetic to him even though it was clear he'd not behaved well himself at times. I took it at face value that he'd been on the receiving end of some really intimidating stalking.

But given that it was a blatant lie they'd made Martha 'unrecognisable', inevitably we start to wonder about other things. Was the real Martha just an oddball (most pubs have one), someone with extremist and unpopular views, who RG saw as potential 'material'. An easy, socially isolated target - because he knew that people would read her social media and think it was entirely possible she could do all the stuff shown in the programme.

Did she actually stalk him relentlessly as we've seen, mistaking his kindness for something more, and did he actively encourage her? (whether through self destructive impulses after what had happened to him previously, or because he thought it would be good material, having found out about her past - one thing we do know is that she had stalked a former employer, but that was late 90s/ early 2000s, some time before the events of BR). Was her stalking at or near the level that's been portrayed or something far more mundane? Just going to the pub when he was working, turning up and his gigs etc and researching him obsessively online rather than following him to his home and gaining entry, contacting his parents, attacking his previous and current partners, making threats to his parents?

This sounds as though I'm making excuses for her - I'm not. Based on the available facts and her FB feed, she is clearly a bigot, doesn't seem to be a very nice person and has a history of stalking. If she did most or all the stuff in BR, then that's appalling, but how much of it is true and how much exaggerated for dramatic effect?

I agree this was probably better either as a documentary, or 'inspired by true events' kind of thing - making it clear that some or most of it was fiction.
 
Serene Serena said:
Are we 100% sure that’s Martha and not someone doing it for tit and giggles? There are some very weird people around.
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The Facebook profile is definitely her. There is someone on Twitter that changed their Twitter username and profile picture to her in the last week and is posting a lot there, that's not her. She has two old Twitter accounts that she hasn't used for years and it seems she's switched to using Facebook to post a lot instead.

At first when I watched the show and saw interviews I assumed Gadd had changed things about her so she couldn't be found. I assumed she probably wasn't a lawyer or Scottish and looked nothing like the actor in the show. I do find it very strange that she's actually very close to what was portrayed on the show. I wonder did Gadd have to tell Netflix about the real person and were Netflix satisfied that enough was changed not to cause issues? Or did he lie and say he changed more.. or did Netflix not give a tit?

It's crappy that Gadd didn't change much but also crappy that Netflix seemingly didn't do their due diligence.

Saying all that though, the way she was actually found was the curtains tweet and nothing to do with her job or nationality at all. He could have forgotten or not even realised she had tweeted him the curtains thing (he remembered her emails about it) so I kind of understand that mistake but seeing as it was so easy for people to find her, he or someone at Netflix should have searched her tweets @ him before including that on the show.
 
veevee04 said:
I'm starting to think Richard Gadd is a bit of prick who's obsessed with fame. He could have changed the script most stalking victims are scared of being murdered and it starting up again. He's obviously not scared of Martha he's choosing to mostly target her not his rapist because she is more vulnerable and has less power. He's fanning the flames for his shot at fame and money.
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Totally agree. I also dont get how hes not only relived his trauma by writing it to be re-enacted but actually played the part himself.

Then part of me thinks this is all an elaborate black mirror/hoax and the twitter posts were done 10 years ago since in prep for this- played the long game.

Either way, he's got the fame it seems he s desperately craved.
 
Bagpuss20 said:
Totally agree. I also dont get how hes not only relived his trauma by writing it to be re-enacted but actually played the part himself.

Then part of me thinks this is all an elaborate black mirror/hoax and the twitter posts were done 10 years ago since in prep for this- played the long game.

Either way, he's got the fame it seems he s desperately craved.
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I’m convinced that this is true now. It’s too convenient
 
Real life Martha abd series Martha are equally unhinged and vile. Pretty sure stuff will come out about Gadd soon enough too. Stuff that he mentioned on his show and in interviews, but in past tense. Reckon a few more skeletons in his closet are due to be aired soon enough. Like others have said he gives me not so great vibes, the kindest thing I can say at this point is that character he wrote (Donny) comes across as an unreliable narrator.
 
Bagpuss20 said:
Totally agree. I also dont get how hes not only relived his trauma by writing it to be re-enacted but actually played the part himself.

Then part of me thinks this is all an elaborate black mirror/hoax and the twitter posts were done 10 years ago since in prep for this- played the long game.

Either way, he's got the fame it seems he s desperately craved.
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Imagine if he met her in the bar all those years ago and they started writing this together 🙈 stranger things have happened 😂
 
polarbearninja said:
The Facebook profile is definitely her. There is someone on Twitter that changed their Twitter username and profile picture to her in the last week and is posting a lot there, that's not her. She has two old Twitter accounts that she hasn't used for years and it seems she's switched to using Facebook to post a lot instead.

At first when I watched the show and saw interviews I assumed Gadd had changed things about her so she couldn't be found. I assumed she probably wasn't a lawyer or Scottish and looked nothing like the actor in the show. I do find it very strange that she's actually very close to what was portrayed on the show. I wonder did Gadd have to tell Netflix about the real person and were Netflix satisfied that enough was changed not to cause issues? Or did he lie and say he changed more.. or did Netflix not give a tit?

It's crappy that Gadd didn't change much but also crappy that Netflix seemingly didn't do their due diligence.

Saying all that though, the way she was actually found was the curtains tweet and nothing to do with her job or nationality at all. He could have forgotten or not even realised she had tweeted him the curtains thing (he remembered her emails about it) so I kind of understand that mistake but seeing as it was so easy for people to find her, he or someone at Netflix should have searched her tweets @ him before including that on the show.
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Hi what’s the Facebook profile? I couldn’t read a lot as I have lost my classes,!! Thanks
 
ButtonDownTheHutches said:
I’d be bothered if thousands of people thought I was someone who had behaved appallingly and I was receiving an avalanche of negative attention as result.

I’m not saying she’s not ‘Martha’, but asking why someone would be bothered by being mistaken for someone who had done awful things is odd. Wouldn’t you be bothered if everyone decided it was you who had done such things?
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I think the point the OP is making is that it clearly IS her. Nothing odd about that.
 
Bagpuss20 said:
Then part of me thinks this is all an elaborate black mirror/hoax and the twitter posts were done 10 years ago since in prep for this- played the long game.
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Part of me thinks so too (he’d be playing a very long game, but it could happen), but I can’t see how the archived news articles about her prior stalking victims could be faked. 🤷‍♀️

It’s all just playing out sooooooo conveniently, though …
 
I watched this series safe in the knowledge that Martha's IRL counterpart was no where near as bad as the in-show Martha, and just an amalgamated exaggeration of all the worst parts of the obsessives Richard has had to deal with created into a Charachter.

I can't actually believe what a carbon copy Martha is of the woman. Jess Gunning did an incredible job!
 
Bagpuss20 said:
Totally agree. I also dont get how hes not only relived his trauma by writing it to be re-enacted but actually played the part himself.

Then part of me thinks this is all an elaborate black mirror/hoax and the twitter posts were done 10 years ago since in prep for this- played the long game.

Either way, he's got the fame it seems he s desperately craved.
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That would be far too much work for a show that might never have been picked up. And it would mean if Fiona is fake and actually Gadd he would have had to have been posting as Fiona for years countless times a day and also emailing himself countless times (as I am sure he had to show Netflix some kind of evidence that it really happened).
 
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