UK Online Safety Bill
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Snippysnips
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Honestly there's always been stupid stuff going round in schools, the difference is kids have phones now an have access to platforms like yt or social sites an these sites hit a larger audience so more word gets out about it all an more kids will do it
It's sad when kids do get hurt or in some cases killed but in reality, nothings changed from when I was a kid an we certainly didn't have phones or social sites back then, some of the stupid things we would do is hold our breath till we turned purple, or see who could keep one of those giant gobstoppers in our mouth for the longest and bringing in chillies to see who could eat the most etc, an am sure other people have similer story's about the crazy things going on at schools
Best thing has an always will be will be people supervising the grounds for primary schools an high schools, most of the time whenever we tried stupid stuff it was stopped by one of the adults seeing us
monga
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God bless him and his parents
I saw the GFM vid of him on FB to raise funds for his treatment and legal costs …I’m not convinced it was a prank there’s not many kids would attempt that ,they know it’s a big no, no !
No disagreement with any of that. But the thing is the government and in particular Nadine Dorris are talking about how they're making the UK the safest country in the world to use the internet with this mess of an inadequate bill.
These sites have made things worse with how quickly they spread stuff, but rather than talking about sensible steps like supervision they're pretending an unworkable bill will achieve something.
Ensay
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Nadine Dorries is next to useless. Did anyone recently see her at a parliamentary committee where she confirmed she shares her Netflix login with her mum and had to be told during the meeting that you’re not supposed to do that?
I get that’s a small thing for most people, but someone who’s introducing an online safety bill should surely know things like that?
She seems to lack basic knowledge so what hope do we have?!
Snippysnips
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There's absolutely no way you are ever going be able to change the Internet or how word spreads, with the use of vpn's an the like then there's just nothing you can do to have complete control, if it was that easy then am sure a ton of sites especially on the dark Web would have been long since shut down an honestly kids are smarter with navigating the Web than most adults think
If we are to protect kids then we need to go back to what it was like when I was a kid an use fear, am betting no kids today have ever been sat down an watched kids being thrown over roofs of cars with being run over because they didn't look, or watched family's being killed because they didn't check their smoke alarms, obviously it was all acting (used to be our VHS days at school) an we knew it was but still, it was enough to make me look a ton an listen before crossing the roads an know how to test smoke alarms as well as have a safety plan just incase
We need to stop wrapping kids up in bubble wrap an really educate them with what they are seeing online, most kids see these idiot channels that are all set up an want to copy it but they don't realise it's all set up an it's more a min to a entertainment show on TV than actual reality, they need to be told that things they see online can harm an can kill them, of course its not always going to work, take jackass for instance, how many kids still go out their way to do all that, but the majority if they knew there was a chance they could be serious harmed or even killed could be enough to discourage it, education an fear is going do a better an quicker job than changing the Internet in a way that's going to make kids think its a challange to break
If we are to protect kids then we need to go back to what it was like when I was a kid an use fear, am betting no kids today have ever been sat down an watched kids being thrown over roofs of cars with being run over because they didn't look, or watched family's being killed because they didn't check their smoke alarms, obviously it was all acting (used to be our VHS days at school) an we knew it was but still, it was enough to make me look a ton an listen before crossing the roads an know how to test smoke alarms as well as have a safety plan just incase
We need to stop wrapping kids up in bubble wrap an really educate them with what they are seeing online, most kids see these idiot channels that are all set up an want to copy it but they don't realise it's all set up an it's more a min to a entertainment show on TV than actual reality, they need to be told that things they see online can harm an can kill them, of course its not always going to work, take jackass for instance, how many kids still go out their way to do all that, but the majority if they knew there was a chance they could be serious harmed or even killed could be enough to discourage it, education an fear is going do a better an quicker job than changing the Internet in a way that's going to make kids think its a challange to break
I think the only people that aren't aware of this, are those in government making laws
not that the opposition have done much to counter ridiculous bills that miss the wood for the trees.
Snippysnips
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Exactly, they all live so strongly in their own little bubbles that they have no idea of the reality of things, they probably think that because they have a firewall up then that means nothing bad can happen, clownsI think the only people that aren't aware of this, are those in government making laws
This does remind me of a rather bizarre one that we had in primary school in the early 90s where we had some people come in and do a play about not playing on the railways. The only thing i remember from it is the phrase "he's lost his head and he's dead?!"
Snippysnips
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There was so many bizarre things we got in school, I'll always remember the fire brigade coming an setting a dolls house on fire to show how quickly fire can spread an we also had a day trip out to some place, it was all these "challanges" we had to do to see if we knew an at the end we got taught about it an what to actually do, was things like strangers trying to take us to their house to see puppies, sitting in a caravan then smoke come under the door, a kite being stuck on power cables, a bridge going over rail tracks but nothing to stop us from actually taking a short cut over the lines themselves, a "stray" dog approaching us (which was one of the police trained dogs) etc, obviously we were all taking around by guides an nothing truely dangerous was there nor actual strangers but it did teach us what to do in so many different circumstances, kids today don't get taught a ton of real life things anymore for fear that parents will complain its too much for them, I mean I was 4 when the fire brigade did that, wouldn't say it traumatised my mental health but it did make me know exactly what to do if there was a fire plus I knew never to mess around with anything that could cause it
Snippysnips
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That's what I feel like, kids will take anything out there to stop them as a challange, there's kids that can hack better than adults who have done it for years now, kids that can code an are making their own apps an games etc, I've always felt am pretty tech savvy but even my young cousins an cousins kids are now showing me things that are taking me by surprise
Just educate them, I'd much rather have my kid have these social sites under my knowlage an have them know they can come to me when they see somthing isn't right an know how to tell when somthings wrong like someone they don't know adding them or sending messages etc, rather than ban it outright an have them be sneaky with it an have it behind my back, kids are always going to want the latest trend an that includes social sites, regardless of telling your kid yes or no at having it they are in the end going to make one whatever you say
As if Instagram supervision tools will do anything. People will just have a second account or use some other hidden app.
20+ years ago we were watching 18 movies using a portable TV, kids will always get around this stuff. These days things are so much easier.
All these schemes to give an illusion of protection do more harm than good. The answer is always education
20+ years ago we were watching 18 movies using a portable TV, kids will always get around this stuff. These days things are so much easier.
All these schemes to give an illusion of protection do more harm than good. The answer is always education
I'm not surprised this has been brought up in the race to become the next pm. It's one of the worst designed bills in a long time. Some awful reporting from sky news saying any delays will mean more child abuse. As if the bill will do anything to tackle the worst abuse online.
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk
Nadine Dorries Hits Out At Kemi Badenoch After Online Safety Bill Delayed
The culture secretary has taken issue with the Tory leadership hopeful's claim the legislation 'is in no fit state to become law'.
Happy Lady
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I understand the part of the On-line Harms Bill that the Epilepsy Society are pushing through. In a nutshell, they want it law to be a criminal offence to post flashing images that could trigger seizures or death. This section of the Bill will be called Zach's Law.
Snippysnips
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Doesn't most things have a warning through about triggers that could cause it? I know for a fact that games all have warnings come up saying they have flashing lights that could trigger it, am not 100% sure about films an TV but I'd assume they did
It's all very fair saying they want to stop flashing lights that can trigger it but reality is can it really be done? You get any war type film an there's tons of flashing lights, horror films relay on that to build atmosphere etc