UK Online Safety Bill

[monga]

The police confirm in this article that there’s very little prospect of anonymous accounts ever being brought to book even though this woman had a fake account and pics posted online.

Campaigner trying to close legal 'loophole' after Instagram impersonation

The co-founder of Reclaim These Streets is campaigning to change impersonation laws after a fake Instagram account posing as her posted fake pornographic content.

news.sky.com

The schools were right to send out a text about Roblox

Roblox: The children's game with a sex problem

A BBC investigation has found virtual sex parties are taking place in a popular online children’s game.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

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The schools were right to send out a text about Roblox

Roblox: The children's game with a sex problem

A BBC investigation has found virtual sex parties are taking place in a popular online children’s game.

www.bbc.co.uk

My nephews are big on this Roblox, I don't know what it is - one of them age 7 was paying it at a family event recently and I saw an ad pop up with big "anime" boobs in a bra bouncing up and down I was like wtf? and told his parents to take the phone away. I'm glad I haven't got kids, the world is screwed up - those providing this content to kids and those trying to police without a clue.

 

[monga]

My nephews are big on this Roblox, I don't know what it is - one of them age 7 was paying it at a family event recently and I saw an ad pop up with big "anime" boobs in a bra bouncing up and down I was like wtf? and told his parents to take the phone away. I'm glad I haven't got kids, the world is screwed up - those providing this content to kids and those trying to police without a clue.

Yes ,this game is aimed at young kids it beggars belief they’d even think to include stuff like this for such a young audience

 

[Snippysnips]

Roblox is a breeding ground for creeps, pervs an pedos, because its aimed for kids an the founders couldn't care less about it, they have a discord as well an it's just full of filthy creeps asking kids for photos, we took my little cousin off it

 

[Yel]

The real bad stuff happens in private group chats and no one ever knows about.

That's partly why on tattle there's no private threads or anything , everything is public. Not that it stops the papers from making stuff up, but the real dangers are what people can't see.

This Roblox stuff all sounds user generated, I'm not sure why any parent would let their children use something that's so open to abuse.

 

[Snippysnips]

The real bad stuff happens in private group chats and no one ever knows about.

That's partly why on tattle there's no private threads or anything , everything is public. Not that it stops the papers from making stuff up, but the real dangers are what people can't see.

This Roblox stuff all sounds user generated, I'm not sure why any parent would let their children use something that's so open to abuse.

It was originally designed to let small independent gamers design a game an have a platform to showcase it on an maybe make some money without the struggle or trying to find someone to publish it, so the general idea of it was actually pretty good an a good way to let gamers get a foot in the door with having published games, but of course there's always that minority that are going be out to ruin things an it didn't help the founders themselves stopped caring about it, had it been properly maintained an the founders actually made sure to keep their eye on everything being put on the platform as well as moderate things it wouldnt have gotten as out of hand as it did

I do agree that the worst happens in private, but I also agree that parents should be keeping kids off those things so that they aren't fully spoiled an then taken down for adults that wish to use them, I myself use discord to be in a few groups with friends, it's incredibly handy to have an it would piss me if it were to be taken down because parents can't keep a eye on what their kids are doing or educate them on what it wrong an to tell a adult if somthing happens

 

[monga]

This is another app the young ones use it actually shows you on a map their location to you, very dangerous imo

 

[Snippysnips]

This is another app the young ones use it actually shows you on a map their location to you, very dangerous imo View attachment 1064430 q

Never heard of that one, anything that shows your location would just send alarm bells off to me to be honest, you can make friends without them needing to know exactly where you are

 

[monga]

Never heard of that one, anything that shows your location would just send alarm bells off to me to be honest, you can make friends without them needing to know exactly where you are

I think random people can even send you their snapchats etc even though they market it as a safer app I don’t think there is such a thing.

 

[Snippysnips]

I think random people can even send you their snapchats etc even though they market it as a safer app I don’t think there is such a thing.

To me there's no such thing as a "safe app" there's always going be one way or another for it to go wrong, for a while there was some app I forget it's name, where you could send letters to penpals, it was a snail mail meaning it took a few days for them to send an be received, even though it gave all the don't give your name or personal details, people would still do it, all you knew from the person was what country they were from and it even had settings to put in what sex or age group you wanted to talk to but it was abused with others asking for ages an where they are and to contact them on other sites

If kids want to use these kind of chat apps then fine but make sure they know how to know when somthing is wrong an what's acceptable an what isn't an to tell a parent when certain questions are being asked of them and especially when they start to ask to meet up, kids especially younger ones will never understand that if someone says they are 10 doesn't mean they are cause they are manipulated into believeing the lies they are being fed

 

[Yel]

Anyway getting back on topic, did anyone follow the reading in parliament yesterday?

All I saw was Nadine Dorries declaring that they're making the internet a safe space in the UK..




Does Nadine know what the internet is?

The unworkable mess continues forward

 

[Snippysnips]

Anyway getting back on topic, did anyone follow the reading in parliament yesterday?

All I saw was Nadine Dorries declaring that they're making the internet a safe space in the UK..




Does Nadine know what the internet is?

The unworkable mess continues forward

Urm yeah, good luck with that

 

[FrannyGallops]

I don’t know much about this tbh, but will the new Online Safety Bill affect Tattle? It says something about protecting free speech but there’s also something in there about ‘anonymous trolls’ and stopping the spread of ‘online harm’. Is there anyone in the know who can explain any of it? Are influencers going to be able to use this bill to stop any sort of criticism towards them under the guise that it causes them psychological distress?

 

[Yel]

@FrannyGallops I think it's already been answered in this thread, but no.

If that was to happen online newspapers and twitter would be banned about talking about public figures like Boris Johnson or Katie Price because it might affect their mental health.

You can read the press release below, but anonymous trolls is about stopping people from interacting with you on social media and popping up in your feed / inbox. Influencers can easily not read tattle if it affects them. Tattle doesn't even allow trolling, abusive or hateful posts.

This whole bill is an unworkable mess,

New plans to protect people from anonymous trolls online
Social media users will have more control over what they see online and who can interact with them as the government steps up the fight against anonymous trolls.

• New measures added to Online Safety Bill in fight against anonymous abusers
• Main social media firms will have to give people the power to control who can interact with them, including blocking anonymous trolls
• Platforms will also need to offer tools to give people more control over what posts they see on social media

Over the past year people in the public eye, including England’s Euro 2020 footballers, have suffered horrendous racist abuse. Female politicians have recieved abhorrent death and rape threats, and there is repeated evidence of ethnic minorities and LGBTQ+ people being subject to coordinated harassment and trolling.

So today the government is confirming it will add two new duties to its Online Safety Bill to strengthen the law against anonymous online abuse.

The first duty will force the largest and most popular social media sites to give adults the ability to block people who have not verified their identity on a platform. A second duty will require platforms to provide users with options to opt out of seeing harmful content.

The new duty will provide a better balance between empowering and protecting adults - particularly the vulnerable - while safeguarding freedom of expression online because it will not require any legal free speech to be removed. While this will not prevent anonymous trolls posting abusive content in the first place - providing it is legal and does not contravene the platform’s terms and conditions - it will stop victims being exposed to it and give them more control over their online experience.

New plans to protect people from anonymous trolls online

Social media users will have more control over what they see online and who can interact with them as the government steps up the fight against anonymous trolls.

www.gov.uk

 

[Snippysnips]

So basically sites will get a fancier block button then cause you can already block out stuff an have it filtered

 

[Yel]

Pretty much, to give more control as to what to filter out.

All the influencers that have spent years saying this will shut down tattle are strangely quiet. If they choose to be a public figure then there's clearly well within legal free speech to say their curtains look tit or similar.

Our rules go above and beyond anything legal, if someone wants to be abusive or hateful or target someone in their inbox then we don't want them on tattle and I'll ban them without a second thought.

To be honest this bit is sensible and does away with this ridiculous demand by influencers that you should give your Id to companies to open an account. But the bill is so huge and tries to cover so many things it's a disaster. It's going to do little to stop the algorithms on Instagram or similar from promoting harmful content like pro anorexia stuff and bombarding it into their feed once they interact with one bit of content. Things like this are the real issue and aren't easy to solve.

 

[Snippysnips]

Honestly if you are going put yourself out there then you need to deal with whatever comes your way, it's common knowledge to know that there's always going be some hate, while I agree that some does go a bit ott the majority of it is just people's opinions which are always going be there regardless of what you do, maybe if they are wanting to have control to that extent they should take their snowflake ass away from the limelight, half the time they bury themselves in a hole anyway so it's no surprise there's hate, or they could use all that disgusting 5/6/7 etc figure paycheck an go get therapy

 

[monga]

Can they add to it at will or does the whole bill have to go through parliament again if there's changes to be made . I've seen so many not happy with it from childrens organizations to womans charities .

 

[L3moning]

Can they add to it at will or does the whole bill have to go through parliament again if there's changes to be made . I've seen so many not happy with it from childrens organizations to womans charities .

At the moment they can add to it as much as they want (as long as they can get parliament to vote for the amendments, anyway¹). Once it's passed they would have to go through parliament again with a new law amending this one. There are some cases where a law allows the government to make rules without going trough the whole process as well (that's how the Covid lockdowns were done, for example, parliament still has to agree them, but it's only one vote instead of the process below)

¹It's slightly more complicated than that, but the workings of parliament is a little bit off topic, so into a spoiler it goes:

Spoiler: More details on how laws are passed

Bills in parliament go through 5 or 6 stages in each house before they become law. In this case the bill started in the house of commons. So it will go like this:

1 - First Reading - This is the bill being formally introduced. There's no debate or vote, they just read the title and say when the next stage will happen (for government bills like this one they usually say "tomorrow" and then actually announce a date later). In this case this happened last week.

2 - Second Reading - This is the main debate on the whole bill, but there's no amendments at this stage except that the opposition will usually force a vote along the lines of "that this house declines to read the bill a second time because it's silly" (probably not in those words, although there's nothing to say they couldn't say that!). In this case that will take place on the 19th of April, according to the government's announced business on Thursday.

After second reading there are some procedural votes on what happens next, mostly the timetabling and allowing the government to spend money as a result of the bill. There's not usually any opposition to those votes, unless people want more time to debate it, which they might here, depending on exactly how long the government give. That also can make a difference to how long the house of lords will spend on it).

3 - Committee Stage - There are two options now, firstly a "Public Bill Committee", which is about 30 MPs (and has a government majority), who debate amendments and discuss the bill in detail. This is the stage where the government might add things. This isn't seen as massively transparent by some people, although the proceedings are broadcast online and can be found on the parliament website. This stage can take a few weeks, since the committees usually only meet on Tuesdays and Thursdays and don't sit all day. The other option, which they might do here, is that the bill is given to a committee of the whole house instead. Which sometimes causes more backlash because there's even less time to discuss things and vote on amendments.

4 - Report Stage - The committee (even if it's the whole house. Yeah) then reports the bill back to the house as a whole, either with amendments or not. At this stage more amendments can be moved, sometimes by the government after compromises based on discussions in committee. Again, expect complaints that they don't get enough time.

5 - Third Reading - A debate and vote on whether the final form of the bill passes and goes to the house of lords.

After that it goes to the Lords and they do it all again, with some slight differences (eg they nearly always have a committee of the whole house, but don't usually force votes until report stage, and they can, rarely, move amendments at third reading).

Assuming the lords amend the bill (which they will, both the government and probably the opposition) then the commons has to agree to those amendments. That process can go back and forth for a while, with minor compromises here and there. But mostly the government get their way.

 

[monga]

At the moment they can add to it as much as they want (as long as they can get parliament to vote for the amendments, anyway¹). Once it's passed they would have to go through parliament again with a new law amending this one. There are some cases where a law allows the government to make rules without going trough the whole process as well (that's how the Covid lockdowns were done, for example, parliament still has to agree them, but it's only one vote instead of the process below)

¹It's slightly more complicated than that, but the workings of parliament is a little bit off topic, so into a spoiler it goes:

Spoiler: More details on how laws are passed

Bills in parliament go through 5 or 6 stages in each house before they become law. In this case the bill started in the house of commons. So it will go like this:

1 - First Reading - This is the bill being formally introduced. There's no debate or vote, they just read the title and say when the next stage will happen (for government bills like this one they usually say "tomorrow" and then actually announce a date later). In this case this happened last week.

2 - Second Reading - This is the main debate on the whole bill, but there's no amendments at this stage except that the opposition will usually force a vote along the lines of "that this house declines to read the bill a second time because it's silly" (probably not in those words, although there's nothing to say they couldn't say that!). In this case that will take place on the 19th of April, according to the government's announced business on Thursday.

After second reading there are some procedural votes on what happens next, mostly the timetabling and allowing the government to spend money as a result of the bill. There's not usually any opposition to those votes, unless people want more time to debate it, which they might here, depending on exactly how long the government give. That also can make a difference to how long the house of lords will spend on it).

3 - Committee Stage - There are two options now, firstly a "Public Bill Committee", which is about 30 MPs (and has a government majority), who debate amendments and discuss the bill in detail. This is the stage where the government might add things. This isn't seen as massively transparent by some people, although the proceedings are broadcast online and can be found on the parliament website. This stage can take a few weeks, since the committees usually only meet on Tuesdays and Thursdays and don't sit all day. The other option, which they might do here, is that the bill is given to a committee of the whole house instead. Which sometimes causes more backlash because there's even less time to discuss things and vote on amendments.

4 - Report Stage - The committee (even if it's the whole house. Yeah) then reports the bill back to the house as a whole, either with amendments or not. At this stage more amendments can be moved, sometimes by the government after compromises based on discussions in committee. Again, expect complaints that they don't get enough time.

5 - Third Reading - A debate and vote on whether the final form of the bill passes and goes to the house of lords.

After that it goes to the Lords and they do it all again, with some slight differences (eg they nearly always have a committee of the whole house, but don't usually force votes until report stage, and they can, rarely, move amendments at third reading).

Assuming the lords amend the bill (which they will, both the government and probably the opposition) then the commons has to agree to those amendments. That process can go back and forth for a while, with minor compromises here and there. But mostly the government get their way.

Ahh ! they'll have to give those old fellas something to keep them awake