UK Literary Luvvies #3 Logistical reasons mean the only recommendations I have are Greek cleaning products

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ED is just the worst. I only scanned that Times article today (who wants to hear any words of that unctuous gasbag) and came here only to say that I was furious to see the comments section was disabled. Times editors apparently know their readership (crimes involving vulnerable people, ED faffing some nonsense = each too sinister or sensitive to permit discussion)
 
stealthbtch said:
ED is just the worst. I only scanned that Times article today (who wants to hear any words of that unctuous gasbag) and came here only to say that I was furious to see the comments section was disabled. Times editors apparently know their readership (crimes involving vulnerable people, ED faffing some nonsense = each too sinister or sensitive to permit discussion)
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oh don’t forget India Knight and the utterly despicable Giles Coren - nepo journalists. The times really couldn’t have comments anywhere, imagine.

But what a great way to capitalise on the ‘under represented’ to the times crowd. They are all applauding from behind the pay wall!
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stealthbtch said:
ED is just the worst. I only scanned that Times article today (who wants to hear any words of that unctuous gasbag) and came here only to say that I was furious to see the comments section was disabled. Times editors apparently know their readership (crimes involving vulnerable people, ED faffing some nonsense = each too sinister or sensitive to permit discussion)
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oh don’t forget India Knight and the utterly despicable Giles Coren - nepo journalists. The times really couldn’t have comments anywhere, imagine.

But what a great way to capitalise on the ‘under represented’ to the times crowd. They are all applauding from behind the pay wall!
 
This reply to ED's tweet 😄👏
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garfield123 said:
I really don’t think it’s a male dominated market - there are lots of successful female podcasters?
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ALL the podcast suggestions I ever get are women talking about current affairs, literature, pop culture etc. I only listen to one podcast by a man. ED hasn't discovered a diversity problem, unless she thinks being from NI counts as diversity, which I find bleeping hysterical.
 
sheleg said:
What diversity and inclusion fails to acknowledge at every turn is CLASS. It's class - wealth, connections, and all it brings - that is the great divider. A generationally-wealthy, millionaire black man is not more oppressed than a poor white man.
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It's complex. I agree with your point that class is the great divider, but don't think comparions re: degrees of oppression are helpful. A poor white man doesn't have the connections, resources etc that a wealthy black man has, but a wealthy black man isn't immune to the effects of racism - a kind of prejudice that the white man doesn't have to deal with. And poverty can't be totally separated from ethnicity either, e.g. Irish travellers/Romani are overwhelmingly from deprived backgrounds. Disabled people are also far more likely to live in poverty. Ideally, diversity means taking into account ALL of these factors so that the people being included reflect a diverse range of experiences.

Sorry if that response was a bit wordy.
 
I thought it was interesting on the OJ Simpson doc that said that wealth and celebrity transcends race - if you're rich and famous enough people don't care that you're black.

I agree it's more complicated than that though!

I do 100 per cent agree Elizabeth Day isn't the one to address diversity. Maybe it's just a new angle after she done infertility to death.
 
StatusWoe said:
It's complex. I agree with your point that class is the great divider, but don't think comparions re: degrees of oppression are helpful. A poor white man doesn't have the connections, resources etc that a wealthy black man has, but a wealthy black man isn't immune to the effects of racism - a kind of prejudice that the white man doesn't have to deal with. And poverty can't be totally separated from ethnicity either, e.g. Irish travellers/Romani are overwhelmingly from deprived backgrounds. Disabled people are also far more likely to live in poverty. Ideally, diversity means taking into account ALL of these factors so that the people being included reflect a diverse range of experiences.

Sorry if that response was a bit wordy.
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I think you have responded very gracefully.

as a white woman from a working class back ground who is not working class by any measures - but is also not neurotypical nor straight … I understand the sensitivity around replying to this because none of us will ever know the Experience of others.
 
Bezzzz said:
I think you have responded very gracefully.

as a white woman from a working class back ground who is not working class by any measures - but is also not neurotypical nor straight … I understand the sensitivity around replying to this because none of us will ever know the Experience of others.
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This is a derail I know so will wind it in but when companies go on about how ‘diverse’ they are I always want to ask how many neurodiverse people, obviously working class accented people and people over 40 they’ve hired from an interview in the past five years. It’s always about race or sexuality which is totally valid, but they’re not the only strands of diversity
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Elizabeth is ironically right I guess that you don’t see many middle aged women fronting podcasts, it’s often those in their 30s and below
 
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This is a derail I know so will wind it in but when companies go on about how ‘diverse’ they are I always want to ask how many neurodiverse people, obviously working class accented people and people over 40 they’ve hired from an interview in the past five years. It’s always about race or sexuality which is totally valid, but they’re not the only strands of diversity
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Elizabeth is ironically right I guess that you don’t see many middle aged women fronting podcasts, it’s often those in their 30s and below
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I totally get your point. I have been very fortunate in my career that my ND has been an advantage at points- infact my career is based on in, I’d never have ended up here with out it. It’s also been horrific going through bullying, gaslighting and blaming myself. I was diagnosed while working at the company I’m with now in my 40s and they have been 8/10 for it all. Not perfect but still incredible. Also I don’t know that they understood my background (I’m not from the UK but I’m from a country afforded adoration- figure that out 😉) nor do they know anything about my personal life (I don’t share it). I would be a poster for (white) diversity but I don’t want it. Not that I wouldn’t help people nor speak about it…. I just don’t want to give people that much information about me. I’ll speak on a 1 to 1 basis.

Also it’s worth highlighting that ED will never fail to be safe. Financially she will always be safe there will be family, friends and a very rich husband to pick it all up. That is a very big difference in class. To do what you want but never worry about the outcome.
 
skyehigh said:
I thought it was interesting on the OJ Simpson doc that said that wealth and celebrity transcends race - if you're rich and famous enough people don't care that you're black.

I agree it's more complicated than that though!

I do 100 per cent agree Elizabeth Day isn't the one to address diversity. Maybe it's just a new angle after she done infertility to death.
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Oh my gosh so true. She cannot keep on about fertility into her 50s.
She is sweating so hard to level up (hate that phrase) and make her podcast the shining lead ship in a fleet of positive-vibes-only DIVERSE podcasts from the bland as duck sounding company. So funny how she bigs herself up in the article and lists her interviewees in the correct diverse order (old socialist, black woman, trans man, woman, stinky white man). I cannot ever imagine wanting to listen to anything she commissions.
 
And you just know as soon as she had any success she became unbearably smug and ditched her old mates for her new celeb adjacent ones like Dolly!

In her head, she thinks it is because her old mates were not supportive but in reality she talked about herself all the time and never asked them any questions about their own lives (despite allegedly being a great interview!).
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Just speculation!
 
However you define it, the idea that ED represents diversity in podcasting in ANY way is truly laughable. I did a little scream of joy and derision when I read that. How - HOW- can she spout this stuff with a straight face?! She’s a very wealthy, straight, non-disabled, slim, white woman with bottomless financial security. She represents the epitome of the privileged chattering classes.
 
skyehigh said:
And you just know as soon as she had any success she became unbearably smug and ditched her old mates for her new celeb adjacent ones like Dolly!

In her head, she thinks it is because her old mates were not supportive but in reality she talked about herself all the time and never asked them any questions about their own lives (despite allegedly being a great interview!).
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Just speculation!
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She does talk about herself an extraordinary amount when interviewing others. Everyone’s story is some version of hers. Classic narc.
 
Made the mistake of listening to the "Child free, not by choice" episode of Best Friend Therapy this morning.

So much self-indulgent therapy speak. And don't even get me started on the ethics of paying a woman for her eggs. ED said she agrees with it because some of the women use the cash to pay for their college fund. Red flags much!?!

One thing I find striking whenever ED talks about her desire to be a mother is that she never acknowledges her step-children. She just wants a baby of her own, not to actually be a parental figure.
 
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