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TYL159 said:
Of course it wouldn't, it would continue down the hereditary line. If Meghan got the chance to be Queen of the UK (and Queen of Canada remember too) she would be back here like a shot measuring the drapes for Buckingham Palace before Harry had packed his toothbrush and chosen his crown
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Harry and Meghan’s desires aside, are you really that convinced that there are no circumstances imaginable under which the nation would decide to put an end to the monarchy?
 
Harry and Meghan have made it clear that they want away from the royal family and all that they stand for. Why would they be accepted back as King and Queen consort by the public if the worst were to happen? There would most definitely be calls to end the monarchy if something was to happen to William and his family.
 
FrostyChops said:
Anyone think this programme about DoE was made her his 100th birthday? Seems some of them are referring to him in the present tense.

I think pweirdo popped up as well although didn't see him. They can't get more insensitive...!
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It said at the beginning they started filming in Feb. Yes, very strange hearing the past and present tense.
 
50sGirl said:
She may well think she can return but imho the British public would never accept her as Queen Consort and Henry as King. We are a bunch of racists according to her. :rolleyes:
I’m a monarchist but in that instance I would wish for the end of the monarchy.
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I wouldn't and they are more popular with under 30s in particular in contrast to Charles and Camilla who are most popular with over 60s.
William and Kate are popular with all ages and remain the strongest future for the monarchy when the Queen goes but I would accept Harry back if he became King. Even if that hopefully never needs to happen
 
50sGirl said:
She may well think she can return but imho the British public would never accept her as Queen Consort and Henry as King. We are a bunch of racists according to her. :rolleyes:
I’m a monarchist but in that instance I would wish for the end of the monarchy.
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the Monarchy has survived just about anything thrown at it (bar a brief Commonwealth hiatus when even then, after beheading a King primogeniture was adopted) including my favourite of George IV and all his marital woes (including locking his wife out of Westminister on Coronation Day) and the Great Heir Race of his brothers. In another 200 years this will just be another brief yet diverting episode in the history of the monarchy.

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bit of a rum lass was Caroline of Brunswick
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Queen Caroline of Brunswick, wife of George IV

Queen Caroline of Brunswick, wife of George IV, the only British Queen to be tried for adultery...
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wkdlass said:
I always assumed in the ten years before engagement, Catherine was learning the ropes of the BRF and wasn’t going to be thrown in at the deep end like Diana.
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I doubt it. Kate started with very very limited exposure and has only in recent years upped her working game. She also isn’t the best public speaker (no shame in that by the way) but it is pretty obvious she got training and has improved quite a bit over the years. If they had taken years to prepare her, I think she would have started into her royal life differently. I do think they have learned from Diana and gave Kate and Wiliam time to settle into married life with a more or less „normal“ life with very little royal duties. But obviously Wiliam‘s role was and still is very different to Charles‘ when he married. Having such a long reigning Queen definitely worked out for them.
I still wonder if the whole pressure of “hitting the game running” (aka media accomplished, working high numbers straight away aka giving Kate a run for her money) was pushed by M&H because BP should have known that the transition is extremely hard (+ not having friends and family nearby and being in a new country). That was so unnecessary. Yes, people expect more from someone ten years older but they could have eased her in more. This narrative broke her back pretty early on. She really did a lot but nobody could have lived up to those expectations. Especially if you are very clueless about the life you are entering. Not knowing how to curtsy? And that they still do it in private? That’s actually very basic knowledge if you do some research. So yes, she would have needed more time to learn the ropes and maybe less engagements straight away. Might have made a ton of difference.
 
Great_Kate said:
I doubt it. Kate started with very very limited exposure and has only in recent years upped her working game. She also isn’t the best public speaker (no shame in that by the way) but it is pretty obvious she got training and has improved quite a bit over the years. If they had taken years to prepare her, I think she would have started into her royal life differently. I do think they have learned from Diana and gave Kate and Wiliam time to settle into married life with a more or less „normal“ life with very little royal duties. But obviously Wiliam‘s role was and still is very different to Charles‘ when he married. Having such a long reigning Queen definitely worked out for them.
I still wonder if the whole pressure of “hitting the game running” (aka media accomplished, working high numbers straight away aka giving Kate a run for her money) was pushed by M&H because BP should have known that the transition is extremely hard (+ not having friends and family nearby and being in a new country). That was so unnecessary. Yes, people expect more from someone ten years older but they could have eased her in more. This narrative broke her back pretty early on. She really did a lot but nobody could have lived up to those expectations. Especially if you are very clueless about the life you are entering. Not knowing how to curtsy? And that they still do it in private? That’s actually very basic knowledge if you do some research. So yes, she would have needed more time to learn the ropes and maybe less engagements straight away. Might have made a ton of difference.
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I was so shocked to learn that the royals cursty in private! They should really get rid of that stuffy rule.

I think it was Meghan's idea to do the work she was able to do with her patronages. Even now that Harry & Meghan have left the BRF they haven't slowed down and they have done quite a lot in the short time they have left. Them appearing on the cover of TIME attests to that. I think Harry & Meghan are both workaholics. I don't think it was the work or the workload that was affecting them negatively but a lot of in fighting with the certain members of the family, staff and the media. It was a perfect storm.

Also I don't think Harry and Meghan called the British public racist. They esentially called the press racist or "bigoted"? I think that's fair enough. The right wing media in this country makes the UK look terrible.

btw. I think it's weird some people are dicussing the death of a young family. William will make a fine king as long as he stays out of politics.
 
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Great_Kate said:
I doubt it. Kate started with very very limited exposure and has only in recent years upped her working game. She also isn’t the best public speaker (no shame in that by the way) but it is pretty obvious she got training and has improved quite a bit over the years. If they had taken years to prepare her, I think she would have started into her royal life differently. I do think they have learned from Diana and gave Kate and Wiliam time to settle into married life with a more or less „normal“ life with very little royal duties. But obviously Wiliam‘s role was and still is very different to Charles‘ when he married. Having such a long reigning Queen definitely worked out for them.
I still wonder if the whole pressure of “hitting the game running” (aka media accomplished, working high numbers straight away aka giving Kate a run for her money) was pushed by M&H because BP should have known that the transition is extremely hard (+ not having friends and family nearby and being in a new country). That was so unnecessary. Yes, people expect more from someone ten years older but they could have eased her in more. This narrative broke her back pretty early on. She really did a lot but nobody could have lived up to those expectations. Especially if you are very clueless about the life you are entering. Not knowing how to curtsy? And that they still do it in private? That’s actually very basic knowledge if you do some research. So yes, she would have needed more time to learn the ropes and maybe less engagements straight away. Might have made a ton of difference.
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Thats really the whole Monarchy Machine in a nutshell. it pays lipservice to wanting to be less formal and stuffy and more approachable to a modern market … until it actually starts happening at which point everyone seems to bolt back to the safety of the 1950’s.

Would the natural order things really be disrupted if you didn’t curtesy to granny (my own Gran would probably have disagreed. She preferred us bending the knee every 5 minutes whether we needed to or not) or a 7 year old boy went to football match in smart-casual rather than a formal suit?
 
Allflightscancelled said:
Workaholics? 😂 😂 😂

None of the royals (or ex royals) could be accused of that
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Well they always seem to have projects on the go and they have done quite a bit since leaving- all during a pandemic too. I must say I thought they would flouder and try coming back into the fold like the press said they would but we have been proven wrong.

vretch said:
Definitely. They are too unpopular in the UK, I think many who are pro monachy now would rather the monachy end than have them on the throne. They are so much hated in the UK. This cannot be disputed.
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Your comment reminded me of this tweet I saw yesterday:

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leiadeler said:
I’m assuming Meghan and Harry earn a lot of money from the events/ventures that they are doing because I don’t see why they would deliberately put themselves through so much criticism against them without gaining anything from it.
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Which events/ventures?
 
Anyways888 said:
Well they always seem to have projects on the go and they have done quite a bit since leaving- all during a pandemic too. I must say I thought they would flouder and try coming back into the fold like the press said they would but we have been proven wrong.



Your comment reminded me of this tweet I saw yesterday:

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This is the wrong thread to have a pop at these two*, however, (BIB) you are having an absolute laugh, right?

*unless it’s really called for. Which is a strong possibility.
 
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