Strictly Come Dancing 2023 #32

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LowCalCalzoneZone said:
Apart from Maisie being in the CiN special, Ellie and her have a virtually identical CV (dance classes and child soap actor for years) but Ellie has the 'nice girl next door' vibe plus has the 'are they or aren't they?' romance/showmance thing, both of which are catnip to Strictly voters (see also Rose). But it is actually quite nice and refreshing that a young female ringer celeb is the most popular one for once

You're right, Maisie and Mollie didn't have either of those things, and Maisie especially got a huge amount of vitriol that I think stemmed from nasty snobbishness. Which is a shame because she's the most charismatic dancer out of the three
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Yes, I always thought Maisie was a hugely charismatic dancer; going to take this opportunity to post her showdance, which was gorgeous!

 
Blue_ocean said:
I genuinely think the battle for the glitterball is between bobby and ellie
Yes dianne has not gone about things the best way however...
Layton hasn't either not once has he put his hands up and been honest about the dance background and his obvious advantage instead he chooses to complain and moan about bullies which might not even be that.
Majority of comments just don't want him to win to keep it fair.

And won't even do the dances mainly ballroom properly with no consequence where others would

Not once have the others demanded more money to pay for therapy.
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I know you're not going to reply, since you're apparently the kind of person who just believes every tabloid headline or else you'd know that last line was very clearly a joke, but I'd be very curious as to exactly what you consider examples of him 'not doing ballroom properly' and what you consider examples of others doing it properly. Because I don't recall any consequences for anyone who's done a ballroom with little traditional and/or in-hold content. Bobby's Viennese Waltz and American Smooth, Nigel's Foxtrot and Tango, Ellie's Foxtrot and Quickstep all come to mind as dances that had lots of faffing and still mostly scored highly and got very little negative feedback.

And then there's Bobby's Cha Cha, which had so much faffing I honestly think it's the only dance this series (other than Les', and, bless him, some of Krishnan's) where I genuinely wouldn't have been able to tell what it was supposed to be without knowing.

Layton has clearly had the most amount of difficult content in his routines, because he is being judged to a higher standard because of the dance background he has been entirely honest about. And if you choose to see it differently, that's your business, but you're not fooling anyone with your motivations.
 
Boring Monday said:
You must be seeing a different Layton to me. He has fully acknowledged his dance background … and he hasn’t ‘moaned’ about bullies. He has highlighted some of the rotten stuff but by and large it’s been other people taking it up on his behalf. I mean a Judge called it out. A Judge. For the first time in 21 series The treatment that some of the celebs get outwith the show was spoken about on the show. Surely that’s a clue that it’s not ‘just’ people who don’t want him to win.
He’s not the first ringer to be invited to take part and he won’t be the last. Anyone, pro, celeb or viewer who has a problem with that should take it up with the Booking Department, not the one who accepts the offer.
(And I maintain that Diane should not be going on those sites that have been called out and stoking fires).

Not sure what you mean about the ballroom dances - he does the choreography he is given. Unless you think he actually choreographs them as well.
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I love the way that Layton has responded asking people to build up their favourite rather than putting him down. Kathy Burkes podcast Where there’s a will there’s a way is worth a listen with him as a guest. Don’t take a paracetamol for someone else’s headache. Brilliant attitude 👌🏻🥰
 
diamondthunder said:
I know you're not going to reply, since you're apparently the kind of person who just believes every tabloid headline or else you'd know that last line was very clearly a joke, but I'd be very curious as to exactly what you consider examples of him 'not doing ballroom properly' and what you consider examples of others doing it properly. Because I don't recall any consequences for anyone who's done a ballroom with little traditional and/or in-hold content. Bobby's Viennese Waltz and American Smooth, Nigel's Foxtrot and Tango, Ellie's Foxtrot and Quickstep all come to mind as dances that had lots of faffing and still mostly scored highly and got very little negative feedback.

And then there's Bobby's Cha Cha, which had so much faffing I honestly think it's the only dance this series (other than Les', and, bless him, some of Krishnan's) where I genuinely wouldn't have been able to tell what it was supposed to be without knowing.

Layton has clearly had the most amount of difficult content in his routines, because he is being judged to a higher standard because of the dance background he has been entirely honest about. And if you choose to see it differently, that's your business, but you're not fooling anyone with your motivations.
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I can't remember any faffing at all in Nigel gorgeous Tango except that he did an epic man spread on a chair for about a second at the start 😂
The rest was pure dance from start to finish .
 
MeghanSnarkle said:
I can't remember any faffing at all in Nigel gorgeous Tango except that he did an epic man spread on a chair for about a second at the start 😂
The rest was pure dance from start to finish .
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There were quite a lot of contemporary faffy touches for a tango, tbf! I think pretty much all the ballroom has been a bit faffy for entertainment's sake except Annabel's, which is probably why all her foxtrots looked the same. Pure ballroom can be a bit boring to the average viewer which is why it's so often hammed up.
 
MeghanSnarkle said:
I can't remember any faffing at all in Nigel gorgeous Tango except that he did an epic man spread on a chair for about a second at the start 😂
The rest was pure dance from start to finish .
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I mean... I liked all of Nigel and Katya's dances... but come on. 😂

Katya spent half of it twirling around him in a Contemporary sort of style. Again, I liked it, but it was absolutely pushing the boundary of enough Tango content in a Tango.

I've just rewatched it and takes them 40 seconds to get into hold! My point was, can you imagine how Layton and Nikita would be raked over the coals if they did that? They spent more time in hold in their American Smooth and people still carried on that he refused to do ballroom properly.
 
Fillyjonk said:
There were quite a lot of contemporary faffy touches for a tango, tbf! I think pretty much all the ballroom has been a bit faffy for entertainment's sake except Annabel's, which is probably why all her foxtrots looked the same. Pure ballroom can be a bit boring to the average viewer which is why it's so often hammed up.
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Oh for sure it was a contemporary Tango 👍
Just when someone says 'a lot of faffing about' i think of dear old Len meaning not much dancing and a ton of messing around with props to kill time and Nigel and Katya really went for it apart from having one brief chair moment kinda thing.

ETA : not saying I'm right, your wrong more interesting how different people define what is 'Faffing about'
 
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Boring Monday said:
Len’s faffing about was a moveable feast. He didn’t like Kara and Artem’s AS because of faffing, when he was talking about too much time out of hold.
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Yeah, my faff definition is two much time spent messing about with props, others feel anything not strictly traditional or not straight into hold is faffing it's all a bit of a Faffgate can of worms I guess .
 
I would consider 'faffing about' to be a sliding scale with obvious stuff like the celeb just standing there while the pro dances around them and messing around with props for ages at the start or end at one end and any dance content that isn't a traditional part of the dance and stuff like carthweels and backflips at the other, less egregious end.

As far as I recall, Len considered any hold break to be faffing, even if there was still plenty of dancing going on.

Anyway, I don't object to a moderate amount of faffing, a celeb can't be expected to do any dance like it's an actual Ballroom & Latin competition.

If anything I wish Layton's Rumba had more faffing. The haters were going to say it wasn't a real Rumba no matter what they did, at least it would've been more entertaining.
 
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I do think it’s time for Dianne to leave after this series. She would be going out on the high of reaching the final, rather than another week 4 exit. I think she’s done as much as she’s going to do.
I also think Karen should go, she has clearly lost interest and didn‘t give Eddie a fair chance.
And I guess Michelle should go too, after two years without even the Christmas special.
Amy will hopefully be back on the main show, and Lauren and Luba deserve to keep their places after this year. I would also give Nadiya another chance with a partner.
 
Dianne is unhinged, don't leave her in a room alone with Ellie and Layton, we still don't know where she was when Nigel got injured
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Dianne and Arduino are very close - how much do you think she paid him to drop Nigel? A few boxes of Ferrero Rocher and a panettone?

My unpopular opinion is that Ellie's QS wasn't 'faffing about' as nearly all of it was her actually dancing. I think of faffing about as messing round with props, or sitting on a barstool for 20 seconds waiting to dance. She danced almost all of it - the problem for people was that she danced a fair bit of it not with Vito.
Annabel's salsa was an example of pure faff at the start, though we can understand why she did it, once she started to dance..
 
See with Ellie's quickstep, the problem wasn't so much her dancing with others as doing very little recognisable quickstep at all. I don't even blame Vito for that as the music was completely unsuitable. Had it been Be Our Guest it would have worked musically and there'd have been a lot more they could do in hold to fit the storytelling.
 
soccergirl said:
Dianne and Arduino are very close - how much do you think she paid him to drop Nigel? A few boxes of Ferrero Rocher and a panettone?

My unpopular opinion is that Ellie's QS wasn't 'faffing about' as nearly all of it was her actually dancing. I think of faffing about as messing round with props, or sitting on a barstool for 20 seconds waiting to dance. She danced almost all of it - the problem for people was that she danced a fair bit of it not with Vito.
Annabel's salsa was an example of pure faff at the start, though we can understand why she did it, once she started to dance..
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I would have the sprinting about at the end of Bobby’s quickstep as Low level faffing as well … it certainly used up time which is the main aim of faffage.
 
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