Southport Attacks and Aftermath #5

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monga said:
It seemed to backfire slightly when there were armed mobs from all sides ready to battle , burning hotels and attacking pubs, it could’ve been a lot worse if things carried on.
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They’re building cities for them in Ireland thousands set to be placed in small communities with no security backup if there were a call to arms, it’s madness 🙄 terrorism is real it’s not something that only happens in far off lands.
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I’ve seen this so much but no evidence of it when I’m home. Where are they planning on putting these mini cities?

I don’t see a lot of Muslim refugees in Ireland, more eastern europeans and Ukrainians. I did see a few Syrians hanging about outside the hotels when driving through inner city Dublin the other week, but nowhere near as many as Facebook has me believing.

Where I am now, just outside of London, is pretty bad for asylum seekers, it can sometimes feel unsafe and I would hesitate to walk anywhere alone.
 
pommynoir said:
I’ve seen this so much but no evidence of it when I’m home. Where are they planning on putting these mini cities?

I don’t see a lot of Muslim refugees in Ireland, more eastern europeans and Ukrainians. I did see a few Syrians hanging about outside the hotels when driving through inner city Dublin the other week, but nowhere near as many as Facebook has me believing.

Where I am now, just outside of London, is pretty bad for asylum seekers, it can sometimes feel unsafe and I would hesitate to walk anywhere alone.
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There’s been a huge increase in asylum claims from the Middle East they’re dotting these sites all over the place think there’s going to be 8-9 huge facilities to start with…This was before they opted into the EU migration pact they’ll be hundreds of thousands need accommodated .
 

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Cack_Conroe said:
As if they cared about the riots - which were about a lack of police and government action against such attacks.

The police stoked and incited counter-riots with their inflammatory, emotive descriptions of the original perps' alleged motives, immediately apportioning blame before any trial.

The media outright inflamed the riots by fabricating/promoting things like "100 far-right actions planned tonight!!!1!!" when none were, thus directly inciting counter riots; the police didn't call for this incendiary and dishonest coverage to stop.

The police did nothing to address the concerns of the original rioters - unlike the BLM rioters.
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The 100 riots thing originated from a twitter account called Hope Not Hate, which is the usual Left Wing tactic off giving a twee sounding name to what is essentially a group of No Borders extremists. This was disinformation which was knowingly and deliberately shared for the purpose of provoking a Far Left mob to take to the streets, no doubt to provoke more violence which they and the media could blame on the “Far Right”. Ironically a playbook right out of Berlin circa 1933. Wasn’t it at one of those gatherings that a Labour councillor called for the “cutting of throats” to rapturous applause?

As of yet no charges have been forthcoming against the HNH group.
 
monga said:
There’s been a huge increase in asylum claims from the Middle East they’re dotting these sites all over the place think there’s going to be 8-9 huge facilities to start with…This was before they opted into the EU migration pact they’ll be hundreds of thousands need accommodated .
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I’ve not seen of this, thanks for sharing! That’s so bad. I am planning a move home soon and looks like it will end up the same way as here. The only thing that’s better is not putting asylum seekers in the rural areas like they have been, where there are no jobs, nothing for them to do and they are met with pure hostility.
My husbands job is now solely hiring asylum seekers as the traffic controllers. One told him he recently came on a dinghy. Most of them can’t speak English, and the majority don’t want to be there. a few times a day a group of them disappear and my husband has been told he’s not allowed to ask them where they are going incase it offends (???) he assumes they’re going for prayer but the problem is the whole job has to stop while they’re gone.
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Veronicaaa said:
The 'jihad literature' was published by a HarperCollins subsidiary, with a foreword by the CIA's Jerrold Post.
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That’s crazy? I wonder if it’s literature where they’ve cherry picked bits out of the Quran that suit their agenda, to be taken literally. Otherwise it’s shocking that a company as big as Harper Collins could be attached to terrorist propaganda
 
pommynoir said:
I’ve not seen of this, thanks for sharing! That’s so bad. I am planning a move home soon and looks like it will end up the same way as here. The only thing that’s better is not putting asylum seekers in the rural areas like they have been, where there are no jobs, nothing for them to do and they are met with pure hostility.
My husbands job is now solely hiring asylum seekers as the traffic controllers. Most of them can’t speak English, and the majority don’t want to be there. a few times a day a group of them disappear and my husband has been told he’s not allowed to ask them where they are going incase it offends (???) he assumes they’re going for prayer but the problem is the whole job has to stop while they’re gone.
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That’s crazy? I wonder if it’s literature where they’ve cherry picked bits out of the Quran that suit their agenda, to be taken literally. Otherwise it’s shocking that a company as big as Harper Collins could be attached to terrorist propaganda
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That’s exactly where they are putting them! What are thousands of single men going to do stuck in a field ffs
 
Veronicaaa said:
It would be interesting to find out who the royalties go to.
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That’s an interesting thought so I looked it up - you can find the whole book online. The name Jerrold Morton Post is listed as editor. He was an analyst for the CIA. So I would assume the royalties go to America in some form?

I had a quick scroll through the book and I’m quite shocked that it’s freely available. It has a sections called ‘Guidelines For Beating And Killing Hostages’, ‘Assassinations Using Poisons and Cold Steel’, etc. The latter goes into gruesome detail on how to kill someone with a knife as well as how to extract ricin. Two key details which currently match up with what we know about the attack and attacker.
 
pommynoir said:
Absolutely. Unfortunately, when we hear of attacks like this our first thought is naturally Islamic terrorism or radicalised individuals. That’s always going to be the case based on evidence of similar attacks. People weren’t wrong for leaning to that. The media and police then told us that wasn’t the case so naturally we’re going to dismiss it.

I wonder why the links to Al Qaida propaganda wasn’t mentioned before, it does certainly change things.
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Veronicaaa said:
The 'jihad literature' was published by a HarperCollins subsidiary, with a foreword by the CIA's Jerrold Post.
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I have a copy, after reading it all...there is very little to suggest Axel used the manual-
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...aside from this page.
Maybe the more important question is why Islam is growing in Rwanda. Understanding how many felt let down by the churches that allowed those seeking refuge to be killed. Instead of 'Aha! See he was an Islamic' let's look at why there are so many who experienced or were affected by a genocide are turning to. Islam.
 
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bluefoot said:
You’re all probably on a list for searching that now!
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😆😆😆😆

If true one hopes this doesn’t lead to to an online search to certain postings in Mos Eisley.
Knock, knock, knockety, knock.

But any way back on topic.

www.bbc.co.uk

Government aware of new Southport charges in past few weeks

Axel Rudakubana, 18, is facing two further charges, including one under the terrorism act.
www.bbc.co.uk

The government has assured us they are absolutely innocent in this so nothing to see here. 😜 Of course the very fact that the government even feel the need to release this statement as a preemptive measure says an awful lot about their handling of the situation. It’s almost as if they’re expecting further revelations. We only have to wait to January. But at least Yvette Cooper, someone I have a great deal of respect for because she refused to work with Corbyn, has a modicum of self awareness.

"These additional charges will undoubtedly be distressing for people in Southport.”

No tit.

Timing is interesting as well. Just a day before it’s likely to be drowned in an avalanche of bad news about the budget.
 
monga said:
This is a gossip site where’s the rumours being spread? It’s the news report we’re discussing!
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Applying the epithet 'gossip' to speculation about an ongoing court case doesn't absolve those doing it. It may not be as widespread as Twitter etc but it is still a publicly available website. There are plenty of posts that go way beyond 'discussing the news report' (what is there to discuss?) into speculation about the person accused of carrying out the attacks; his motivation, religion etc. Not that I'm surprised that some people on this 'gossip site' are desperate to use the tragic deaths of three children to further their own agendas.
 
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Moth said:
Applying the epithet 'gossip' to speculation about an ongoing court case doesn't absolve those doing it. It may not be as widespread as Twitter etc but it is still a publicly available website. There are plenty of posts that go way beyond 'discussing the news report' (what is there to discuss?) into speculation about the person accused of carrying out the attacks; his motivation, religion etc. Not that I'm surprised that some people on this 'gossip site' are desperate to use the tragic deaths of three children to further their own agendas.
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Yeah there’s nothing to see here at all 🙄 only there’s now been official confirmation he was involved in Islamic terrorism and has been charged accordingly 🤷🏼‍♀️ after endless media spin that he was an innocent choirboy …I’m shocked that people would even dream of questioning the narrative 😳 we should let sleeping dogs lie it’s not in the public interest at all…🤡world is officially a go,go !
news.sky.com

Southport attack: Murder suspect Axel Rudakubana in court over ricin and al Qaeda manual charges

The 18-year-old has already been charged with three counts of murder and 10 counts of attempted murder following the mass stabbing at a Taylor Swift-themed dance workshop in July.
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So after all that it was terrorism related good luck to the government and the police if anything like this happens again the public are not going to believe them now they have covered it up and lied to the public making him out to be at Innocent Christian choir boy from Cardiff
Also, why isn’t he going to court in person? Why is it video link he’s 18 now.
 
Jas19/2 said:
So after all that it was terrorism related good luck to the government and the police if anything like this happens again the public are not going to believe them now they have covered it up and lied to the public making him out to be at Innocent Christian choir boy from Cardiff
Also, why isn’t he going to court in person? Why is it video link he’s 18 now.
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The Southport attacks are not officially being treated as such until a motive is established.
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www.bbc.co.uk

Government aware of new Southport charges in past few weeks

Axel Rudakubana, 18, is facing two further charges, including one under the terrorism act.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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