Southport Attacks and Aftermath #5

[monga]

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[NeverEnough]

Axel Rudakubana: Southport murders accused facing terror charge

Axel Rudakubana is accused of producing the poison ricin and possessing a study of an al-Qaeda training manual.

www.bbc.co.uk

An al-Qaeda manual. If it turns out that this guy was a Muslim terrorist after all, when so many people went to pains to scream “no he was a Welsh Christian” there will be fury.

 

[Allmyownopinion]

We all knew this was terror related. Atrociously handled by the police. Any little trust we had in the police is very quickly eroded when they gaslight and lie in this way. Disgraceful .

 

[thegirlscout]

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So were the stabbings a terror attack?

 

[monga]

So were the stabbings a terror attack?

They’re saying a separate charge?

 

[NeverEnough]

We all knew this was terror related. Atrociously handled by the police. Any little trust we had in the police is very quickly eroded when they gaslight and lie in this way. Disgraceful .

We don’t actually know with certainty. But you don’t download the al-Qaeda manual and the recipe for ricin for a school project.

This is going to be VERY interesting trial.
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I'd put good money on the fact the Southport attacker wasn't part of an ~ISIS cell

You still up for that?

 

[monga]

They’re not treating the Southport attack as terrorism but it seems he’s a terrorist?? Make it make sense looks like they’re playing it down , I’d doubt he was using ricin to flavour his Cornflakes sad to say but the death of those girls probably saved many other lives.

Axel Rudakubana: Southport murders accused facing terror charge

Axel Rudakubana is accused of producing the poison ricin and possessing a study of an al-Qaeda training manual.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[NeverEnough]

This is the beauty of public trials. You can’t do a Rochdale style suppression of truth when it reaches this point.

Not long to wait. This has the potential to be explosive.

 

[monga]

I don’t understand how other ISIS attacks don’t have a motive other than being sympathetic/ affiliated with the cause? He had material to suggest that !

 

[NeverEnough]

They’re not treating the Southport attack as terrorism but it seems he’s a terrorist?? Make it make sense looks like they’re playing it down , I’d doubt he was using ricin to flavour his Cornflakes sad to say but the death of those girls probably saved many other lives.

Axel Rudakubana: Southport murders accused facing terror charge

Axel Rudakubana is accused of producing the poison ricin and possessing a study of an al-Qaeda training manual.

www.bbc.co.uk

I think the phrase is “technical truth”. Politicians love those. A bit like the £300 off your energy bill, in 10 years, not immediately. Cos we never ACTUALLY said immediately and if you thought that, well….our bad we should have been clearer.

In this case, OK he seemed interested in terrorism and was in possession of said materials (allegedly) but he never killed those poor little girls because of his ideology, he did that because he was a ****, so they weren’t, technically, terrorist murders despite his alleged beliefs.

 

[Veronicaaa]

You still up for that?

You missed your chance.

ETA though I see you've cut off the end of my sentence.

I'd put good money on the fact the Southport attacker wasn't part of an ~ISIS cell on the move across Europe~

 

[NeverEnough]

You missed your chance.

That’s a no then.

Hmmm. I wonder if he killed those little girls as revenge for Palestine?

 

[bluefoot]

Semantic point but being ‘influenced by ISIS’ and being in an ‘ISIS cell’ are not the same thing so maybe @Veronicaaa would still win her bet?

If there is a link I imagine it’s Taylor Swift being an example of western decadence like the attack at the Ariana Grande concert?

 

[NeverEnough]

You missed your chance.

ETA though I see you've cut off the end of my sentence.

“Technical truth” in action…..

 

[Moth]

"Don’t believe everything on social media,” warns Merseyside Police Chief Constable Serena Kennedy, urging against rumours that could “prejudice this trial" as the Southport suspect faces a separate terror charge"

Waste of team even posting that then.

 

[NeverEnough]

Semantic point but being ‘influenced by ISIS’ and being in an ‘ISIS cell’ are not the same thing so maybe @Veronicaaa would still win her bet?

“Technical truth” in action 2….

 

[Veronicaaa]

That’s a no then.

Hmmm. I wonder if he killed those little girls as revenge for Palestine?

Al Qaida have sweet FA to do with Palestine, but it's clear you're on the wind up.

 

[bluefoot]

“Technical truth” in action 2….

Or just making a nuanced point .
Words matter.

 

[thegirlscout]

They’re not treating the Southport attack as terrorism but it seems he’s a terrorist?? Make it make sense

Could be that the distinction is the attack itself wasn’t related to a terrorist motive - he just wanted to attack little girls because he’s a disgusting human rather than for some religious or political reasoning?

 

[bluefoot]

Could be that the distinction is the attack itself wasn’t related to a terrorist motive - he just wanted to attack little girls because he’s a disgusting human rather than for some religious or political reasoning?

There’s also that CPS have to present the case most likely to win in court? If they charge someone with terrorism and the evidence is flaky they could get off (on appeal)?