Secret Celebrity Gossip #138

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TwooTwooTwitTwitTwoo said:
Your question is something I'm yet to find the answer to. I don't spend my days enraged by people identifying as male or female.

Quite honestly, why would the concept bother others? Just let people live their lives.
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Well Sam Smith feels like it does need another term. Why does that affect others? Just blend it into your every day and carry on.
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They/them is not about genders though, it’s about plurality. I remember a brief period of time when non-binary tried to invent new pronouns for themselves, something like 'zir', I think that would have been a way ahead. Trying to have an actual conversation while referring to another (single) person 'they/them' really does my head in.
It’s a bit like when a person I know whose family is originally from Bulgaria (where apparently people indicate agreement by shaking their head and disagreement by nodding), would say 'yes' and shake her head or say 'no' and nod. It doesn’t sound like much but it was genuinely making me dizzy.
 
I’m behind on the thread but re Phil & Holly queue jumping, I never got the uproar because I thought they were filming a segment. It made sense to me that a morning magazine news show would cover the Queen’s death and so may have filming access to the coffin. Also comparing them to DB queueing when that was a huge exercise in PR and “oh how humble I am”, to me is pointless as it’s still someone using the situation to his own end. However I also found it strange that people and people of status would queue to see a box.
 
wishiniwasskinny said:
I’m behind on the thread but re Phil & Holly queue jumping, I never got the uproar because I thought they were filming a segment. It made sense to me that a morning magazine news show would cover the Queen’s death and so may have filming access to the coffin. Also comparing them to DB queueing when that was a huge exercise in PR and “oh how humble I am”, to me is pointless as it’s still someone using the situation to his own end. However I also found it strange that people and people of status would queue to see a box.
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Totally agree. I couldn’t really care less about Holly and Phil, but the one that got me was Beckham. Everyone going mad about him saying ‘oh, isn’t he lovely…so humble’ and all that shite. I still reckon it was a huge PR stunt to try and get him back in the good books - he’d still kill for that knighthood.
 
LittleMissMuffet said:
Would someone mind explaining why so many celebs don’t come out? I totally understand back in the day but not now. Hugh was with Debra for such a long time. I’m exceptional ignorant around the whole thing because I simply don’t see it as a big deal but that’s a very privileged outlook (because I’m straight and not a celebrity)
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I think Hollywood actors, particularly stars of action franchises, are pressured by the film studios to stay 'in' because there are countries where their films make big money that wouldn't be accepting of an openly gay lead actor.
 
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eppingforestbambi said:
I know from personal experience of domestic abuse, where I had a credible and imminent threat against me - the police did very very little. (And they only showed up after I’d been beaten). That happened several times. I’m not sure how the police force in Holly’s side of London were able to provide round round the clock security for her… from a man in Florida who wasn’t even here yet.
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Yes! The police literally got involved with moving me to a whole new area, leaving my children, my family, my home my job and my friends but did nothing to the man who was stalking and abusing me even though they caught him red-handed drunk as a skunk outside my home threatening to drive through my window! They chased him down the road told him to leave me alone and let him drive off so drunk he could not even stand without holding onto the car.

I also told the police when I was 9 that my dad was sexually abusing me and they told me to run along home and don't be silly

in both of the above cases, the abuser and the local police were drinking buddies at the same pubs, different pubs and different police and very different times
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Coniferhedge said:
Totally agree. I couldn’t really care less about Holly and Phil, but the one that got me was Beckham. Everyone going mad about him saying ‘oh, isn’t he lovely…so humble’ and all that shite. I still reckon it was a huge PR stunt to try and get him back in the good books - he’d still kill for that knighthood.
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Same, he could have easily hidden who he was so as to truly not do it for the attention.
 
Harlot O'Scara said:
I'm not bothered by people identifying as nonbinary BUT I have noticed an uptick in more rigid adherence to gender roles but couched in progressive language.

Like, if a man or woman doesn't act stereotypically male or female then they now have to be some other thing. It's like the concept of GNC people no longer exists and instead you have to be nonbinary or "queer" (even in you're not).

I've seen a few people being called "eggs" (as in a trans person who hasn't "come out of their shell") online just because they have non typically masculine or feminine hobbies even if they are 100% male or female identifying otherwise.

What happened to no labels?
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This is exactly my issue, it's dressing up something that's actually really regressive and harmful as something progressive. It's not, it's a step back big time.
 
Coniferhedge said:
Totally agree. I couldn’t really care less about Holly and Phil, but the one that got me was Beckham. Everyone going mad about him saying ‘oh, isn’t he lovely…so humble’ and all that shite. I still reckon it was a huge PR stunt to try and get him back in the good books - he’d still kill for that knighthood.
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It was very transparent of Beckham.

I think the press whipped up the Phil Holly queue gate thing as there was a lot about both they were desperate to print but couldn’t. Then they found something they could print and go in on them for and went for it.
 
L3moning said:
No one is saying they can. You also can't compel people to not think you're being an arse by intentionally calling someone something they don't want to be called.
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This is really a conversation for the gender thread but for me we now seem to be back to reinforcing gender stereotypes,.

For example, i'm female but like football, don't wear make or like romcoms but love glitter and the colour pink. So does this mean I'm non-binary??? No, it just means I'm a woman likes and dislikes different things.

I know I'll get flack for this, but sometimes it does feels like people just want to be "special"

And as a woman in my 50s, I'm happy to call you what ever you want to be called. We've had a lifetime of being called sweetheart, darling and other mince. But please, do the job you're being paid to do and don't have a hissy fit when I call you she or he instead of "they"
 
Millais said:
Thank you for saying that because I was picturing Richard O’Brien as the man who played Tom in The Good Life and was confused and surprised by how ahead of his time he was.
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He was, yes.

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Asterix said:
Me neither.

I've always found Richard O' Brien strangely attractive.
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Richard is a very lovely person too. We met a good few yrs ago at a 5 day workshop ofsmall musical theatre production in Highgate which was put on by one of the original Frank N Furters. Now that was an interesting show... when it was performed for the second time a few yrs later the production was picketed by nuns and closed down..
 
Let's move on from this topic as it's been said and getting disruptive
L3moning said:
No one is saying they can. You also can't compel people to not think you're being an arse by intentionally calling someone something they don't want to be called.
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Gender as we know it is socially constructed and is not binary and gender roles can vary between country /religion/periods of history and these can be fluid and we can move between those gender typical structures - However biological sex is binary and we cannot just unsubscribe to this fundamental fact, that mammalians are assigned to male and female dependent upon genitalia and chromosomal pattern.
Sam Smith and anybody else can choose to identify with whatever gender, can Identify themselves as whatever they like but they cannot force that view upon others and they most certainly will not be able to deceive their biological make up either now or in the future
 
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