Scottish Politics #2

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kev1974 said:
Yes don't forget the haggis exports, tat shops on the Royal Mile, and the royalties from Trainspotting re-releases 😁
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Head screwed on Scot here. Oil & Gas, renewables, food and drink, forestry, textiles. Scotland has way more than the cliched tropes. But it’s also painfully racing to the bottom with the SNP & Greens doing incredible damage just to be different from UK gov. There’s no focus on real growth, investments, strategies on future industries, learning - apart from the same lines rattled out by sturgeon et all ‘independence, the Tories did it, the dog ate the motorhome and ran away etc….’ Why is focus on GRR, protected fishing and min wage/benefit? Because there’s zero strategy behind independence, there’s even zero strategy without independence. Scotland could do so much more, it’s not overly inhabited, has huge natural resources (wind/water etc). It’s also the birthplace of some clever stuff but now in 2023 and years of SNP it’s a race to the bottom. I’m sure I read 40% of Scot’s don’t pay tax which isn’t too different from Uk as a whole (and a sad state all round as it reflects too many in low incomes) but in Uk the top 1% bracket pay in 30% of all tax. In Scotland the top bracket is 0.7% of people but they pay in 65% of all tax. And they want to tax more (or more like they know they will need to if they continue with policies). Huge drug deaths. Alcohol issues. And bugger all aspiration to lead and inspire. Instead we have a cult who are only just being challenged and we find they lack severely what most Scot’s find natural - honesty. We are terrible liars - we genuinely will just say duck it, this is how it is. I hope there is much more to come. All cults eat themselves inside out eventually. (I would love to say the same fate will hit the Tories but my god they get away with astounding levels of utter incompetent bullshit).
 
Wealth is so dirty in Scotland. I get told I must be loaded as I have an electric car. Nah I got it on a 7 year interest free loan from the government. L because driving electric is actually really convenient for rural dwellers.

We need to aspire to be more. There is a portion of society that are bringing their kids up with no intention of working. We need to get people into work and make it better for them to provide for themselves.
 
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Rotten to the core.

Independance for Scotland and indeed Wales will never work - the base infrastructure just isn't there. Think of all the services that are 'bought in'. Then there's the loss of things like collective purchasing for NHS Scotland and NHS Wales alongside NHS England - its basic economies of scale. The bigger the outfit, the better the deal on bulk buys, unless the buyers are complete muppets.

Here in Wales we have the crazy 20mph law coming in - our village is already blighted by it, despite having the main A470 'relief road' going through for times when the A470 is blocked - it was crazy at 30mph... at 20 you are overtaken by cyclists and crazy 'important' drivers who just can't chill and enjoy the scenery. I'm no advocate for the 20mph thing - on 'main' roads, its bonkers, in streets around schools fair enough.

The Welsh Arsembly are touting for more members - upto almost 100. For a country of 3 million. More cost for no benefit. Drakey was and probably still is in thrall to the Scottish Midget. Some of the shite the SNP have foisted on the Scottish folk is bizarre. Drakey gets his ideas from them, plus whatever shite he inhales while in his potting shed or holiday home.

Don't know much about Scotland, but Wales constantly has bleats of 'Westminster funding, blah blah'... erm, Labour has been in charge for many, many decades and the NHS, Policing, Education... basically most public services are in the toilet in Wales - yet they blame Westminster despite being in charge locally and with their fingers on the purse strings.

Sure its similar in Scotland after years of SNP misrule.
 
A huge amount of the economy in Scotland is from financial services. It's very worrying that the last vote was so close and there were so many unknown questions around basic things about how it would work independently, people were told to vote for independence it'll all be fine. Companies were planning to exit en mass.
 
Yel said:
A huge amount of the economy in Scotland is from financial services. It's very worrying that the last vote was so close and there were so many unknown questions around basic things about how it would work independently, people were told to vote for independence it'll all be fine. Companies were planning to exit en mass.
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Yup. I worked for a financial institution for a long time that based a lot of admin in Scotland. Lower rent and lower wages. A lot of this went to India but there is still a lot around that would go.

Also as above re the NHS shared services. This also works for treatment, particularly for specialised child medicine.
 
Yel said:
A huge amount of the economy in Scotland is from financial services. It's very worrying that the last vote was so close and there were so many unknown questions around basic things about how it would work independently, people were told to vote for independence it'll all be fine. Companies were planning to exit en mass.
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They’d definitely mass exit again and probably to Ireland/Europe. There’s no business incentive to remain, even for banks. They are delusional thinking they could operate a new Scottish currency. Who would move to Scotland to be taxed at the highest rates when all that money goes on an ever increasing benefits bill. It doesn’t get invested, it gets spent. And a party that can’t manage their own paltry accounts are meant to be able to manage a country.
 
LoolieVeeton said:
There’s no business incentive to remain, even for banks.
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Yep there's so many downsides and very little upsides for financial services in an independent Scotland that's outside of the EU. Would have done so much long term damage. At least brexit was a somewhat mixed bag and has lost some industry while also attracted some that is concerned with eu intervention (although overall it's more negatives).
 
Pontyslapper said:
Rotten to the core.

Independance for Scotland and indeed Wales will never work - the base infrastructure just isn't there. Think of all the services that are 'bought in'. Then there's the loss of things like collective purchasing for NHS Scotland and NHS Wales alongside NHS England - its basic economies of scale. The bigger the outfit, the better the deal on bulk buys, unless the buyers are complete muppets.
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Procurement for NHS Scotland and other public sector is already separate and will likely be even more when new legislation is introduced in England
 
Yel said:
Can humza really declare the SNP is financially stable if there's no one auditing their accounts? I doubt him or the advisors around him even have the skillset to make such statements
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He says he didn't know about the motorhome; he says he didn't know about the SNP's financial woes; but says he does know that the SNP isn't bankrupt? Aye, right Jimmy!
 
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