Ryan Reynolds & Blake Lively

[Yel]

I think most of the take down of Blake was due to her own behavour and not people automatically thinking this Justin is great. He knew all the right things to say in press for the movie and Blake said all the wrong things.

Justin is a bit of an unknown for me, I've no idea if he's a great or awful guy but that doesn't change my opinion of Blake.

The stuff about she was forced to promote it like a romcom reminds me of all the garbage made up by Katy Perry fans / paid bad actors that she was forced to work with doctor Luke and release that awful song. In any case no one forced her to use the movie to launch her haircare brand or promote her sugar water.

I've noticed a massive increase in bots commenting on articles about the law suit , all in favour of Blake. The PR team are working hard

Yeah, I think it would be pretty standard of her team to have farms to try and control the narrative online. Just like her team is saying he did:

• Details of two quotes of PR packages - one costing "£175k" for a "3-4 month period" including "full reddit, full social account take downs";
• Another PR package costing "$25k per month" for "min 3 months" that includes "creation of social fan engagement to go back and forth with any negative accounts, helping to change the narrative and stay on track";
• Baldoni asking Ms Abel "What is the TikTok strategy" and saying "I'd like you guys to start posting me ONLY talking about domestic violence and clips and why this movie is so important";
• Ms Abel telling Ms Nathan she was "having reckless thoughts of wanting to plant pieces this week of how horrible Blake is to work with";
• Ms Abel saying: "The narrative online is so freaking good and fans are still sticking up for Justin" and telling Ms Nathan "you did such amazing work";
• Ms Nathan telling Ms Abel: "The majority of socials are so pro Justin and I don't even agree with half of them lol";
• Ms Nathan replying to Ms Abel: "Narrative is CRAZY good";
• Ms Nathan telling Ms Abel: "We can't write it down to him… We can't write we will destroy her";
• Ms Nathan adding: "you know we can bury anyone";
• Ms Nathan saying to Ms Abel: "Don't worry, I didn't kill her and send her in a box to your house", to which Abel replies: "DAMNIT";
• Ms Nathan telling Ms Abel socials are "really really ramping up", to which Ms Abel adds: "It's actually sad because it just shows you have people really want to hate on women".

It only worked because Blake gave all the ammo, even if they hadn't of tried this strategy the outcome could have been identical.

 

[Smca53]

No she didn’t? She didn’t sexually harass Justin? What exactly did she ‘start’ that justifies Justin and his teams actions? The whole reason they started the smear campaign is because they knew Blake was probably going to talk about his behaviour and they wanted to get in there first to prevent anything getting out and because they knew that the whole cast unfollowing him is going to raise alarm bells. The evidence is literally right there in the lawsuit.

Re the beginning - you know fine well i was responding to the smear campaign part of your post, don’t be obtuse
But if you followed all this back when it was happening you know there began a smear campaign against him and he retaliated. His was more successful but I’d say it wasn’t due to the PR people - despite those gross messages where they’re giving themselves pats on the back - Blake gave all the ammo herself by acting like an idiot with zero empathy in interviews.

Separately i see the interviewer who posted back during the IEWU promo, with a clip from her “nightmare” interview with Blake, has denied any involvement in the smear campaign despite the NYT implying she was

 

[PeonyBlush]

Re the beginning - you know fine well i was responding to the smear campaign part of your post, don’t be obtuse
But if you followed all this back when it was happening you know there began a smear campaign against him and he retaliated. His was more successful but I’d say it wasn’t due to the PR people - despite those gross messages where they’re giving themselves pats on the back - Blake gave all the ammo herself by acting like an idiot with zero empathy in interviews.

Separately i see the interviewer who posted back during the IEWU promo, with a clip from her “nightmare” interview with Blake, has denied any involvement in the smear campaign despite the NYT implying she was

I don’t particularly believe you can class it as a ‘smear campaign’ against Justin when he’s done actual disgusting vile things. It’s the truth, not a smear campaign. It’s not the same thing or even comparable. Justin and his team were shitting themselves thinking everything he has done will get out so they orchestrated the actual legit smear campaign against Blake. It was not retaliation from Justin, it was manipulation.

 

[Smca53]

I don’t particularly believe you can class it as a ‘smear campaign’ against Justin when he’s done actual disgusting vile things. It’s the truth, not a smear campaign. It’s not the same thing or even comparable. Justin and his team were shitting themselves thinking everything he has done will get out so they orchestrated the actual legit smear campaign against Blake. It was not retaliation from Justin, it was manipulation.

I don’t think you’re following. I’m talking about many months ago, not now.

In any event, I think people should wait for his response before getting overly excited. Cancel culture is wild

 

[PeonyBlush]

I think most of the take down of Blake was due to her own behavour and not people automatically thinking this Justin is great. He knew all the right things to say in press for the movie and Blake said all the wrong things.

Justin literally said all the things he knew people wanted to hear. He doesn’t actually care about DV or DV victims, it was all a big con to get the public to like him and dislike Blake. The lawsuit goes into this in great detail. His team planted articles and pushed and controlled the narrative on social media, it was essentially propaganda. And unfortunately the public fell for it.

 

[Jellycat369]

Interestingly a creator just popped up on my FYP and she's mentioned in the suit and hadn't realised until news outlets started asking her to comment. For those interested here's her explaining her experience and reasons for creating her original video:

 

[Yel]

Justin literally said all the things he knew people wanted to hear. He doesn’t actually care about DV or DV victims, it was all a big con to get the public to like him and dislike Blake. The lawsuit goes into this in great detail.

The lawsuit is one sides version of events that's missing much of the context.

We've no idea if Justin cares about DV or not. But Blake said all the wrong things which indicates she's both stupid and doesn't care imo.

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Baldoni brands Lively's claims 'shameful'

Mr Freedman, representing Baldoni and Wayfarer Studios, says in his statement: "It is shameful that Ms. Lively and her representatives would make such serious and categorically false accusations against Mr. Baldoni, Wayfarer Studios and its representatives, as yet another desperate attempt to 'fix' her negative reputation which was garnered from her own remarks and actions during the campaign for the film; interviews and press activities that were observed publicly, in real time and unedited, which allowed for the internet to generate their own views and opinions.

"These claims are completely false, outrageous and intentionally salacious with an intent to publicly hurt and rehash a narrative in the media. Wayfarer Studios made the decision to proactively hire a crisis manager prior to the marketing campaign of the film, to work alongside their own representative with Jonesworks employed by Stephanie Jones, due to the multiple demands and threats made by Ms. Lively during production which included her threatening to not showing up to set, threatening to not promote the film, ultimately leading to its demise during release, if her demands were not met.

"It was also discovered that Ms. Lively enlisted her own representative, Leslie Sloan with Vision PR, who also represents Mr. Reynolds, to plant negative and completely fabricated and false stories with media, even prior to any marketing had commenced for the film, which was another reason why Wayfarer Studios made the decision to hire a crisis professional to commence internal scenario planning in the case they needed to address.

"The representatives of Wayfarer Studios still did nothing proactive nor retaliated, and only responded to incoming media inquiries to ensure balanced and factual reporting and monitored social activity. What is pointedly missing from the cherry-picked correspondence is the evidence that there were no proactive measures taken with media or otherwise; just internal scenario planning and private correspondence to strategize which is standard operating procedure with public relations professionals."

What texts and messages Blake Lively's legal complaint against It Ends With Us co-star show

Actress Blake Lively has accused her It Ends With Us co-star and director Justin Baldoni of sexual harassment on the set of the film in a legal complaint.

news.sky.com

 

[Moronic]

Celebrity culture is bleeping mad. It’s like they don’t actually *live*; they all play this mad game to paint who they want us plebs to see them as, for power and money and influence. They’re all at it and it’s pathetic. Justin doesn’t give a tit about dv victims clearly and just parroted what he needed to say to boost his image.

I believe Blake’s claims. I also suspect Blake is a bit of a narc twit as well but who the hell knows? It’s all one big facade. I’m so over it. People are dying in wars and all these Hollywood weirdos are just playing ego games.

 

[emeraldopal]

Celebrity culture is bleeping mad. It’s like they don’t actually *live*; they all play this mad game to paint who they want us plebs to see them as, for power and money and influence. They’re all at it and it’s pathetic. Justin doesn’t give a tit about dv victims clearly and just parroted what he needed to say to boost his image.

I believe Blake’s claims. I also suspect Blake is a bit of a narc twit as well but who the hell knows? It’s all one big facade. I’m so over it. People are dying in wars and all these Hollywood weirdos are just playing ego games.

I feel exactly the same - when the extent of the spin, lies, bullshit is glimpsed, it just makes me want to disengage with the lot of it as how can we know what the hell is real? As I said before it makes me feel like I'm living in a simulation and I don't like it

 

[PeonyBlush]

The lawsuit is one sides version of events that's missing much of the context.

We've no idea if Justin cares about DV or not. But Blake said all the wrong things which indicates she's both stupid and doesn't care imo.

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Baldoni brands Lively's claims 'shameful'

Mr Freedman, representing Baldoni and Wayfarer Studios, says in his statement: "It is shameful that Ms. Lively and her representatives would make such serious and categorically false accusations against Mr. Baldoni, Wayfarer Studios and its representatives, as yet another desperate attempt to 'fix' her negative reputation which was garnered from her own remarks and actions during the campaign for the film; interviews and press activities that were observed publicly, in real time and unedited, which allowed for the internet to generate their own views and opinions.

"These claims are completely false, outrageous and intentionally salacious with an intent to publicly hurt and rehash a narrative in the media. Wayfarer Studios made the decision to proactively hire a crisis manager prior to the marketing campaign of the film, to work alongside their own representative with Jonesworks employed by Stephanie Jones, due to the multiple demands and threats made by Ms. Lively during production which included her threatening to not showing up to set, threatening to not promote the film, ultimately leading to its demise during release, if her demands were not met.

"It was also discovered that Ms. Lively enlisted her own representative, Leslie Sloan with Vision PR, who also represents Mr. Reynolds, to plant negative and completely fabricated and false stories with media, even prior to any marketing had commenced for the film, which was another reason why Wayfarer Studios made the decision to hire a crisis professional to commence internal scenario planning in the case they needed to address.

"The representatives of Wayfarer Studios still did nothing proactive nor retaliated, and only responded to incoming media inquiries to ensure balanced and factual reporting and monitored social activity. What is pointedly missing from the cherry-picked correspondence is the evidence that there were no proactive measures taken with media or otherwise; just internal scenario planning and private correspondence to strategize which is standard operating procedure with public relations professionals."

What texts and messages Blake Lively's legal complaint against It Ends With Us co-star show

Actress Blake Lively has accused her It Ends With Us co-star and director Justin Baldoni of sexual harassment on the set of the film in a legal complaint.

news.sky.com

I mean of course Justin and his Lawyer are going to deny everything and throw it back at Blake. At the end of the day the evidence in the lawsuit/subpoena is pretty damming. The text messages alone are damming enough which they are clearly trying to underplay.

 

[jackolantern]

I think in general the only thing that can be safely assumed about most celebs is that they are all a narcissistic bunch of cunts who will do anything to further themselves, so usually any of these things going round always have a whiff of truth to them and noone comes out an angel

 

[Piglet&Pooh]

To be fair she was mocking her for the badly doctored photo, not for being sick, noone knew at that point. She's a twit but she's not stupid enough to mock someone for having cancer, member of the royal family or not. Plus why the duck should she care about the UK royal family? Many of us in the UK don't nevermind someone from America.

Everyone knew Princess Catherine was sick - it was announced by the Palace, and in UK, US and European media, in February that she's had major abdominal surgery that required several weeks in hospital and a recovery of several months. It was just that the additional presence of cancer was not known.

Why would you mock someone known to be recovering from major surgery unless you're an asshole?

 

[funkimunki1984]

Thats your opinion. The British Royal Family is still highly regarded outside of the UK. Based on my observation, anyone who has issues or displays unrequited disrespect of Princess Catherine is probably a fan of The Duchess of Sussex. It’s a shame that it needs to be that way.

As a Brit living in Savannah, I constantly get asked about the royals like I go to tea with them. Whether I’m team Windsor or Sussex. Not sure why. Don’t really care tbh. Came here when Megxit and the Oprah interview happened so that was an interesting time to say the least…anyway Justin is a sleaze.

 

[JaynieDay]

I mean of course Justin and his Lawyer are going to deny everything and throw it back at Blake. At the end of the day the evidence in the lawsuit/subpoena is pretty damming. The text messages alone are damming enough which they are clearly trying to underplay.

You’re missing the point, this is only an initial filing, this isn’t the complete evidence for the case. When you only read one side’s submission of course it’s going to be damning, however, the other side may have evidence that contravenes these submissions or that offers further insight that completely change the context. Also, we don’t know how much of these initial submissions will actually be allowed for use in the trial. Lively’s lawyers sending their entire preliminary brief to the NYT is completely disingenuous, as this is not the final judgment in the case, something else to be considered.

Same thing happened with Amber Heard and Johnny Depp, she got her version out in the media first. However, during their trial her evidence was contradicted by others testimony and other evidence. Her evidence was damning too, until it was tested under trial and it proved to be a bunch of falsehoods.

I will be waiting with bated breath for the trial, then we will find out the complete facts of this matter. As someone who used to work in the legal field, I would remind posters of one of the basic tenets of law - innocent until proven guilty.

 

[vintagevinyl]

I haven't changed my mind about Blake at all. In fact, if anything this aligns perfectly with how toxic narcissists typically behave when called out. They go twice as hard. I doubt Justin is a perfect angel, but this is what happens when you cross people like Blake and Ryan.

 

[Yel]

The main difference I'd hazard a guess is the Reynolds are experts and Justin is an amature. The Reynolds would have a deeply trusted inner circle that wouldn't document anything that could come back to haunt them. It's probably standard practice for them to start planning stuff like this when they bump heads with someone.

 

[Pinkii]

Not sure how american justice system works, but it seems the messages weren’t subpoenaed wnd it seems they obtained them from the agency the PR lady worked at.

whilst I don’t have anything to say on the allegations against Justin (very horrible if all true) it’s funny how the tables are quickly turning and people are saying how disgusted they were by falling for all the social media backlash against Blake yet they cannot see that they are falling for it again from the Reynolds camp against Justin right now.

 

[Eastspendy]

I expect Blake will be given quite the bollocking from Ryan. Damaging their brandz

 

[KINGAA]

I haven't changed my mind about Blake at all. In fact, if anything this aligns perfectly with how toxic narcissists typically behave when called out. They go twice as hard. I doubt Justin is a perfect angel, but this is what happens when you cross people like Blake and Ryan.

And Taylor Swift

The list from the meeting that the Sony, HR and his production company (plus Ryan) is pretty damning but also TOTALLY random. Like as if he just can’t speak to her, the mention of her dad seems like he talked about it and she got offended same with him crying then banned him in a weird controlling manner. I imagine she is one of those do not speak unless spoken to celebs at work.

I just don’t understand why she’s not taking legal action against Sony and the HR as they were there, they “knew” about this meeting and these allegations but she’s only suing him. Not seeking actual justice just trying to monetarily destroy Justin. As much as I believe they are both assholes and probably did stuff my gut tells me she has a ulterior and calculated motive.

 

[vintagevinyl]

The main difference I'd hazard a guess is the Reynolds are experts and Justin is an amature. The Reynolds would have a deeply trusted inner circle that wouldn't document anything that could come back to haunt them. It's probably standard practice for them to start planning stuff like this when they bump heads with someone.

100%. I've seen it happen on a much lower scale over and over - even if you try to pull back once you realise how toxic someone can be, they can sense it and they're already prepared and extremely cunning in how they will take you down. It's almost impossible to win against because the more you even try, the more they will claim you're being a bully. Tis actually a bit frigtening how cold it can play out.