Real Life Crime & Murder #26

[LouBug19]

Is anyone following the report of the 2 teachers stabbed in Wales by a 14 year old? The trial has collapsed.

Ammanford school triple stabbing trial collapses over jury issue

A 14-year-old girl accused of attempted murder at a school will have another trial in the new year.

www.bbc.co.uk

Oh! FFS I guess something to do with one of the jury members if one stayed behind? Must be annoying for the victims who have to wait another 3 months.

 

[thegirlscout]

I remember this attack, I think it stood out to me because he was the carer for his mum. Some people will likely disagree with me but the sentences these offenders have been given is insulting.

Three teen killers jailed for manslaughter after dog walker's death

John Hackett died as a result of the injuries he suffered at the hands of the teens

www.coventrytelegraph.net

There was a campaign of abuse too and their social media was open whilst they were on bail and they were going on nights out, posting about their holidays etc so they obviously didn’t care about what they’ve done and their paltry sentences won’t do anything.

 

[Boogs]

The Isabella case is a haunting read already.

I cannot fathom how many people allow new partners in and access to their children.

Cannot imagine the horror of finding her in such a sad state & such little dignity to have been left in that pushchair

Sadly there are lots of lonely women out there with attachment issues who will prioritise being ‘loved’ over their children. My mum was one of them. When I was about 10 my mum had a boyfriend who showed far too much interest in us kids. One day she came into my bedroom to find him lying next to me on my bed having asked me to read my book aloud to him. She was clearly pissed off and told him to get downstairs. I was grateful to her for protecting me but when he left she hissed at me ‘he’s my boyfriend not yours’. She didn’t see a 10 year old child who needed protecting she saw a rival for the attention she wanted.

 

[GlitterFluff]

I remember this attack, I think it stood out to me because he was the carer for his mum. Some people will likely disagree with me but the sentences these offenders have been given is insulting.

Three teen killers jailed for manslaughter after dog walker's death

John Hackett died as a result of the injuries he suffered at the hands of the teens

www.coventrytelegraph.net

There was a campaign of abuse too and their social media was open whilst they were on bail and they were going on nights out, posting about their holidays etc so they obviously didn’t care about what they’ve done and their paltry sentences won’t do anything.

'Miss Bahara mitigating said it was '36 seconds of bad judgement on his part'.

I just don't have the words. Bad judgement?!?!?!

 

[Lalla]

I remember this attack, I think it stood out to me because he was the carer for his mum. Some people will likely disagree with me but the sentences these offenders have been given is insulting.

Three teen killers jailed for manslaughter after dog walker's death

John Hackett died as a result of the injuries he suffered at the hands of the teens

www.coventrytelegraph.net

There was a campaign of abuse too and their social media was open whilst they were on bail and they were going on nights out, posting about their holidays etc so they obviously didn’t care about what they’ve done and their paltry sentences won’t do anything.

I agree the sentences are far too low, and seeking to excuse it as bad judgment is an insult to the victim and his family (his poor mum, John was her only child as well as her carer. His dog has since died too ).

 

[moldwarp]

Sadly there are lots of lonely women out there with attachment issues who will prioritise being ‘loved’ over their children. My mum was one of them. When I was about 10 my mum had a boyfriend who showed far too much interest in us kids. One day she came into my bedroom to find him lying next to me on my bed having asked me to read my book aloud to him. She was clearly pissed off and told him to get downstairs. I was grateful to her for protecting me but when he left she hissed at me ‘he’s my boyfriend not yours’. She didn’t see a 10 year old child who needed protecting she saw a rival for the attention she wanted.

This is why we all need to counter society's narrative that a woman is incomplete without a man. It is such a deeply embedded narrative that so many women don't even question it. But the fact is, left to ourselves, we do better in the education system and report higher rates of happiness and better mental health when we are single. Whereas studies show that single men report the lowest rates of happiness and have the worse physical health. They need us, we don't need them.

 

[Troutpout]

This is why we all need to counter society's narrative that a woman is incomplete without a man. It is such a deeply embedded narrative that so many women don't even question it. But the fact is, left to ourselves, we do better in the education system and report higher rates of happiness and better mental health when we are single. Whereas studies show that single men report the lowest rates of happiness and have the worse physical health. They need us, we don't need them.

Sorry but this comment is repugnant. Making excuses for that piece of tit ‘mother’. Maybe there are people out there who are needy but they don’t torture and murder their kids. Honestly, I can’t believe there is even a hint of feeling sorry for the bleep who watched her baby being tortured.

 

[Cosytidy]

Sorry but this comment is repugnant. Making excuses for that piece of tit ‘mother’. Maybe there are people out there who are needy but they don’t torture and murder their kids. Honestly, I can’t believe there is even a hint of feeling sorry for the bleep who watched her baby being tortured.

I don’t think th poster is excusing the mother in any way. There is a pattern or women choosing dangerous men with few redeeming features as partners who then kill their children.
We do need to explore why these women, who rush into these relationships, are making these choices. That’s all the poster is doing.
seeking to understand isn’t excusing the behaviour.

 

[Troutpout]

I don’t think th poster is excusing the mother in any way. There is a pattern or women choosing dangerous men with few redeeming features as partners who then kill their children.
We do need to explore why these women, who rush into these relationships, are making these choices. That’s all the poster is doing.
seeking to understand isn’t excusing the behaviour.

Anyone who watches a child being tortured is pure evil. There is no other reason plain and simple. No point in trying to ‘understand’. They are inhuman evil bastards. Sorry but it sounded to me like the poster had slight sympathy with this woman. Maybe I read it wrong but I am so heartbroken by this story.

 

[wishiniwasskinny]

Anyone who watches a child being tortured is pure evil. There is no other reason plain and simple. No point in trying to ‘understand’. They are inhuman evil bastards. Sorry but it sounded to me like the poster had slight sympathy with this woman. Maybe I read it wrong but I am so heartbroken by this story.

Very few people are just “evil” plain and simple. There is usually reasons behind someone’s behaviour or compliance. Either psychological, learned or with motivations. Also there’s no need to be so aggressive in your comments towards other posters simply because you find it a difficult subject.

 

[Cosytidy]

Anyone who watches a child being tortured is pure evil. There is no other reason plain and simple. No point in trying to ‘understand’. They are inhuman evil bastards. Sorry but it sounded to me like the poster had slight sympathy with this woman. Maybe I read it wrong but I am so heartbroken by this story.

Yeah I get your heartbreak. It’s just been so bleak with so many stories of beautiful children being basically tortured by their stepdad whilst mum is passive.
Some of us just think about how this could be stopped or changed. Male dominance is still a massive issue in our society; a male’s needs take priority over all else & that needs to change.
We also have a massive issue of secrecy & not getting involved in other people’s issues. And a hangover of Victorian discipline where everyone’s answer to everything is to give someone a good whack.

 

[Troutpout]

Very few people are just “evil” plain and simple. There is usually reasons behind someone’s behaviour or compliance. Either psychological, learned or with motivations. Also there’s no need to be so aggressive in your comments towards other posters simply because you find it a difficult subject.

I wasn’t being aggressive. But thanks for your condescending comment on behalf of other posters
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Yeah I get your heartbreak. It’s just been so bleak with so many stories of beautiful children being basically tortured by their stepdad whilst mum is passive.
Some of us just think about how this could be stopped or changed. Male dominance is still a massive issue in our society; a male’s needs take priority over all else & that needs to change.
We also have a massive issue of secrecy & not getting involved in other people’s issues. And a hangover of Victorian discipline where everyone’s answer to everything is to give someone a good whack.

I do agree that SOME men can dominate women with violence but I genuinely can’t believe this woman could allow anyone to do this to her baby. I just can’t. She is probably a vulnerable woman but really? I truly wish I hadn’t read this story. We hear so much about violence against women and we are outraged. Rightly so. But I feel we don’t seem to be so outraged about children being tortured and killed. That’s my feeling on it and obviously not everyone will agree with me.

 

[Unicorn_Poop]

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I do agree that SOME men can dominate women with violence but I genuinely can’t believe this woman could allow anyone to do this to her baby. I just can’t. She is probably a vulnerable woman but really? I truly wish I hadn’t read this story. We hear so much about violence against women and we are outraged. Rightly so. But I feel we don’t seem to be so outraged about children being tortured and killed. That’s my feeling on it and obviously not everyone will agree with me.

Pretty sure 99% of people are outraged at children being tortured and murdered, whereas violence against women is often met with some outrage - but then also some blame as if the woman deserved it

 

[jackolantern]

I try to remain woefully ignorant to any details against children and animals and honestly I scroll when any of you post anything about it (I don't mean that offensively) I know some may scoff at that but I don't want to know. It's horrific and it eats me alive, the few I've read in my life I can never unsee and it makes you ill, while achieving nothing cause I can't do a thing to stop it.

 

[InTheDollsHouse]

I remember this attack, I think it stood out to me because he was the carer for his mum. Some people will likely disagree with me but the sentences these offenders have been given is insulting.

Three teen killers jailed for manslaughter after dog walker's death

John Hackett died as a result of the injuries he suffered at the hands of the teens

www.coventrytelegraph.net

There was a campaign of abuse too and their social media was open whilst they were on bail and they were going on nights out, posting about their holidays etc so they obviously didn’t care about what they’ve done and their paltry sentences won’t do anything.

I suppose the fact he discharged himself has a sway, because he otherwise wouldn’t have died, but those sentences are disgustingly low even for ‘just’ attacking him.
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Sorry but this comment is repugnant. Making excuses for that piece of tit ‘mother’. Maybe there are people out there who are needy but they don’t torture and murder their kids. Honestly, I can’t believe there is even a hint of feeling sorry for the bleep who watched her baby being tortured.

How is that post making excuses for the mother?

This is why we all need to counter society's narrative that a woman is incomplete without a man. It is such a deeply embedded narrative that so many women don't even question it

This is a general statement about society as a whole isn’t it, and society’s outdated generalised views?

But the fact is, left to ourselves, we do better in the education system and report higher rates of happiness and better mental health when we are single. Whereas studies show that single men report the lowest rates of happiness and have the worse physical health. They need us, we don't need them.

And this is detail on why that narrative should change?

Genuine question, because I don’t see excuses being made anywhere.

 

[GrunkaLunka]

Sorry but this comment is repugnant. Making excuses for that piece of tit ‘mother’. Maybe there are people out there who are needy but they don’t torture and murder their kids. Honestly, I can’t believe there is even a hint of feeling sorry for the bleep who watched her baby being tortured.

There are no excuses made in the quoted post that I can see. The poster appears to be saying that we (as a society) need to stop teaching women to look for "their other half", someone who "completes them", and all of that.

It ought to be socially acceptable for women to acknowledge that they are enough and happy, without being pitied or told they're doing it wrong.

If women want to share their lives with a partner, then that's up to them but the current narrative has women searching for some mythical fantasy which cannot exist. Settling for any old rubbish because it's better than being alone will one day be minority behaviour.

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

I remember when it happened, as I used to live in Ipswich and the road where this temporary housing unit is located is in a good area, definitely somewhere that I considered living.

Reading that article, i don't understand why the child was allowed to remain with them, considering the absolute chaos of their living situation.
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Sounds like that's exactly what it is. Again.

This has broken my heart!

That poor, terrified, lonely baby. She must have been in so much pain, and so distressed. Both her mother and that vile POS she was shacked up with should be sterilised and never let near another child.

 

[Troutpout]

There are no excuses made in the quoted post that I can see. The poster appears to be saying that we (as a society) need to stop teaching women to look for "their other half", someone who "completes them", and all of that.

It ought to be socially acceptable for women to acknowledge that they are enough and happy, without being pitied or told they're doing it wrong.

If women want to share their lives with a partner, then that's up to them but the current narrative has women searching for some mythical fantasy which cannot exist. Settling for any old rubbish because it's better than being alone will one day be minority behaviour.

She watched her child get murdered. She is evil. I feel total sympathy towards women that are abused and beaten by partners. It is totally unacceptable and heartbreaking but she and she alone watched her child get murdered. I still feel people are almost making excuses for this. We have an awful problem of violence against women but in this case, she could have done something to save that child.

 

[Violetroselily]

The thing is, labelling people as evil and dismissing possible reasons for these acts as excuses just isn't very helpful. There absolutely are questions society should be asking as to why so many (often young) women end up with absolutely bleeping awful shitbag partners like in this case, to the extent that they prioritise that relationship over the wellbeing of their own child. Drug use, emotional and physical abuse, poverty etc are all issues that can contribute to this and if we ignore that then nothing will ever change.

 

[jackolantern]

Plus the fact that “evil” isn’t an end all. For every single evil person there is a reason, even if we can’t easily pinpoint it. It’s important to try because how can we stop it if we don’t know what we are dealing with?