Real Life Crime & Murder #26

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owen2110 said:
As awful & as selfish as this sounds, I try not to read many of the articles about child abuse/murder cases. I followed Star Hobson & Sebastian Kalinowski’s cases closely as they were local-ish to me and they were so haunting and disturbing 💔 my heart just breaks. I cannot fathom why anyone would intentionally hurt a child.
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I'm the same. Try and avoid where I can. Sebastian's case still bleeping haunts me.
 
owen2110 said:
As awful & as selfish as this sounds, I try not to read many of the articles about child abuse/murder cases. I followed Star Hobson & Sebastian Kalinowski’s cases closely as they were local-ish to me and they were so haunting and disturbing 💔 my heart just breaks. I cannot fathom why anyone would intentionally hurt a child.
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Don't worry I'm the same. The headline is enough for me, there are cases that have stuck with me like Arthur and Logan. Just awful what these poor indefensible children go through.
 
There is alot of detail in this article about their whereabouts and the events leading up to Isabella's death, but also descriptions of her injuries so please be mindful if you want to avoid that information.


This will be the reason for the IOPC referral Iassume
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All those poor lost children over the years, most of us will have a first case that truly broke us. For me it was little Ellie Butler - but there have been so many that I’ve wept for over the years.

I hope there is a special place reserved in hell for grown men that kick, punch and terrorise tiny, defenceless children. And another place for the women who stand passively and allow it.
 
Violetroselily said:
There is alot of detail in this article about their whereabouts and the events leading up to Isabella's death, but also descriptions of her injuries so please be mindful if you want to avoid that information.


This will be the reason for the IOPC referral Iassume
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If only they’d just taken that little girl into care instead of just threatening the mother 😢
 
InTheDollsHouse said:
Father, stepmother, uncle. Not that any of them deserve those titles.

Her father had been awarded full custody of her and her biological brother, over their mother. There are other siblings who share the same father, and Sara’s stepmother is their mother.

The children are all in Pakistan still I think.
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They should have pleaded guilty, hateful people.

I do wonder how much will be not reported because of the relevance of family court proceedings for Sara and her brother, and to protect the other siblings.
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Also, which of them made the 999 call to alert to her body. That was a big risk.
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“Also, which of them made the 999 call to alert to her body. That was a big risk.”

Well I’m wondering if it wasn’t actually one of the other family members, the Pakistan residents , who called the UK police. Like, the 3 alleged perpetrators got there, let slip they’d gone on the run from the UK and why, so someone else with, ya know, an actual conscience makes the call.

Actually I’m sure I saw online someone say that it was one of the other children who made the call?
 
Violetroselily said:
What a bleeping awful pair of cunts. 4 weeks between them getting together and him killing Isabella. I have no words.
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Horrific isn't it. That poor, beautiful little girl spent those 4 weeks moving from hotels to a caravan to a tent on the beach 🙄 to temp housing where she was murdered. Probably completely scared and terrified most of the time too.
Where was her dad, extended family, social services whilst this was going on? ☹

Sorry, just seen social services were involved. As has been said, it's a shame they didn't remove Isabella and not just threaten to do so, if they had she probably would be alive now.
 
moldwarp said:
“Also, which of them made the 999 call to alert to her body. That was a big risk.”

Well I’m wondering if it wasn’t actually one of the other family members, the Pakistan residents , who called the UK police. Like, the 3 alleged perpetrators got there, let slip they’d gone on the run from the UK and why, so someone else with, ya know, an actual conscience makes the call.

Actually I’m sure I saw online someone say that it was one of the other children who made the call?
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Ooh I have wondered if it was her full sibling who did it.
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Violetroselily said:
There is alot of detail in this article about their whereabouts and the events leading up to Isabella's death, but also descriptions of her injuries so please be mindful if you want to avoid that information.


This will be the reason for the IOPC referral Iassume
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Good god, this is Constance Marten level fucked up. You have to be seriously mentally unwell to do this.

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Violetroselily said:
Me neither, odd because there are lots of articles from the time of their arrest.

Given Isabella has a different surname to both accused I'm going to assume this is another case of a mother prioritising her feckless new partner over her child
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What annoys the life out of me is how the reports then refer to the new random boyfriend as the 'stepfather'. He was not the stepfather in any way shape or form and shouldn't be dignified by being called such.
 
Dinate said:
What annoys the life out of me is how the reports then refer to the new random boyfriend as the 'stepfather'. He was not the stepfather in any way shape or form and shouldn't be dignified by being called such.
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That pisses me off too, they were together 5 months or something really short. That's not a stepdad, that's just a partner. He never was any sort of dad to that wee girl and her mother was no better. How can you sit there and watch your daughter be abused by someone you've known 5 mins.
 
Dinate said:
What annoys the life out of me is how the reports then refer to the new random boyfriend as the 'stepfather'. He was not the stepfather in any way shape or form and shouldn't be dignified by being called such.
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I agree, but I think the papers take their terminology direct from the terminology used in the initial hearings. The 'mother' doubtless referred to the boyfriend as a 'stepfather' because it played better with social services to give the false impression of familial stability. Baby P's 'mother' did similar.

Statistically speaking, having a step parent enter the family drastically increases the risk to a child. Children under the age of 5 are 8 times more likely to be killed by a 'stepfather' than a bio dad. There are probably very old evolutionary reasons for this.

If you look at all of the recent horrors (Arthur Hughes, Star Hobson, Logan Mwangi etc etc) the abuse really ratcheted up from the non-genetically linked 'step-parent' and it's usually the non-genetically linked 'step parent' primarily responsible for the death.

I myself am a survivor of child abuse and although I was being hit and pushed around before my 'parent' took up with an abusive alcoholic, it escalated drastically once he was in the picture.

For some proper research on non-biological parents and increased risk of abuse:

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Child homicides by stepfathers: A replication and reassessment of the British evidence - PubMed

Daly and Wilson (1994, 2008) reported that rates of fatal assaults of young children by stepfathers are over 100 times those by genetic fathers, and they explain the difference in evolutionary terms. Their study was replicated by comparing updated homicide data and population data from 3...
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And in case anyone decides to take offence when they have no reason to, this is not to say that ALL step parents are bad. Obviously, not true, child murder is rare. But statistically where a child is killed, you're likely to find a non bio caregiver in the mix somewhere.

That folktale trope of the 'wicked stepmother'? Like many common embedded themes in folklore and fairytales, it exists for a reason.
 
moldwarp said:
I agree, but I think the papers take their terminology direct from the terminology used in the initial hearings. The 'mother' doubtless referred to the boyfriend as a 'stepfather' because it played better with social services to give the false impression of familial stability. Baby P's 'mother' did similar.

Statistically speaking, having a step parent enter the family drastically increases the risk to a child. Children under the age of 5 are 8 times more likely to be killed by a 'stepfather' than a bio dad. There are probably very old evolutionary reasons for this.

If you look at all of the recent horrors (Arthur Hughes, Star Hobson, Logan Mwangi etc etc) the abuse really ratcheted up from the non-genetically linked 'step-parent' and it's usually the non-genetically linked 'step parent' primarily responsible for the death.

I myself am a survivor of child abuse and although I was being hit and pushed around before my 'parent' took up with an abusive alcoholic, it escalated drastically once he was in the picture.

For some proper research on non-biological parents and increased risk of abuse:

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Child homicides by stepfathers: A replication and reassessment of the British evidence - PubMed

Daly and Wilson (1994, 2008) reported that rates of fatal assaults of young children by stepfathers are over 100 times those by genetic fathers, and they explain the difference in evolutionary terms. Their study was replicated by comparing updated homicide data and population data from 3...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov


And in case anyone decides to take offence when they have no reason to, this is not to say that ALL step parents are bad. Obviously, not true, child murder is rare. But statistically where a child is killed, you're likely to find a non bio caregiver in the mix somewhere.

That folktale trope of the 'wicked stepmother'? Like many common embedded themes in folklore and fairytales, it exists for a reason.
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Thank you for sharing your history with us ❤️
 
Violetroselily said:
There is alot of detail in this article about their whereabouts and the events leading up to Isabella's death, but also descriptions of her injuries so please be mindful if you want to avoid that information.


This will be the reason for the IOPC referral Iassume
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After reading the updated article it seems like that total waste of space had convinced himself, and the mother that he was in fact Isabella’s real father, and could’ve been using that against the mother to keep them both by his side. However, it’s also reported her family were urging her to go home, if only they could’ve got her away from that monster.
Absolute dregs of society, no job but swanning around getting a haircut, buying/smoking weed and going to Weatherspoons, all whilst abusing a poor defenceless child, wish we could throw people like this into a deep pit. All I can hope is that he gets a daily beating in prison
 
Unicorn_Poop said:
The Isabella case is a haunting read already.

I cannot fathom how many people allow new partners in and access to their children.

Cannot imagine the horror of finding her in such a sad state & such little dignity to have been left in that pushchair
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Yes I really feel for the PC Ryan Wegg who found her and testified as to how bad the smell was

I know it's fashionable in some quarters to tit on the police at every opportunity but I know that I could never do what they do.
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Barb Schneider said:
After reading the updated article it seems like that total waste of space had convinced himself, and the mother that he was in fact Isabella’s real father, and could’ve been using that against the mother to keep them both by his side. However, it’s also reported her family were urging her to go home, if only they could’ve got her away from that monster.
Absolute dregs of society, no job but swanning around getting a haircut, buying/smoking weed and going to Weatherspoons, all whilst abusing a poor defenceless child, wish we could throw people like this into a deep pit. All I can hope is that he gets a daily beating in prison
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wish we could throw people like this into a deep pit.

I think we should have the option of the death penalty for people who torture a child to death. I know it's an age old debate and I understand why UK removed the death penalty, but I've thought about it for many years and listened/read to other opinions and I think it should be at least an option in just that specific case.

I think it's a very morally powerful thing for a society to state that there are some things a person can do that are so heinous that they basically have forfeited their right to be a living person. Torturing a child to death fits that bill imho.
 
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