Real Life Crime and Murder #13

[maytoseptember]

I see there’s a Mumsnet thread about this case and compared with this thread (which is calm and decent and not afraid to disagree respectfully, in the main) it’s full of really angry and aggressive women acting like they know more than the judge. Awful place. Why do I lurk there?

 

[Mystery07]

Stephen Bear being sentenced to actual jail time has made my day. Ellis Whitehouse from Essex Live has reported the whole trial really well.

 

[Prissypaws]

This is very hard to follow, as there are so many players, but it was an "honour" killing. It sounds like she had a nice relationship with her uncle Dawood though, which gladdens my heart a little.

Uncle admits dumping niece's body and trying to burn her phone

An uncle accused of murdering his niece has admitted to dumping her body and trying to burn her phone.

www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk

I will never forget the judge's powerful words, which still make me cry every time I read them, to the parents of Shafalia Ahmed. He summed it up brilliantly.

"You chose to bring up your family in Warrington but, although you lived in Warrington, your social and cultural attitudes were those of rural Pakistan and it was those which you imposed upon your children."

Shafilea was a determined, able and ambitious girl who wanted to live a life which was normal in the country and in the town in which you had chosen to live and bring up your children. However, you could not tolerate the life that Shafilea wanted to live. You wanted your family to live in Pakistan in Warrington. Although she went to local schools, you objected to her socialising with girls from what has been referred to as “the white community”. You objected to her wearing western clothes and you objected to her having contact with boys.

She was being squeezed between two cultures, the culture and way of life that she saw around her and wanted to embrace and the culture and way of life you wanted to impose upon her. A desire that she understood and appreciated the cultural heritage from which she came is perfectly understandable but an expectation that she live in a sealed cultural environment separate from the culture of the country in which she lived was unrealistic, destructive and cruel."

And it is that 'squeeze' that we see time and time again in these cases. And not to forgot all the "honour" violence that goes on that doesn't end up in a court.

There is a very large Asian population where I live in the East London and I do genuinely like and appreciate the multiculturalism here. But it is truly, truly abhorrent what some of these girls have to go through in the name of "religion".

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/JCO/Documents/Judgments/ahmed-ahmed-sentencing-remarks-03082012.pdf

I was coming to post this one too.
Absolutely horrible story from Bradford
I think the defence solicitor might be Frankie Smith’s from the Star Hobson case? Zafar Ali QC/KC
and is the Brad one of the reporters who gave daily updates from that case too?

RECAP: DAY 2 - Somaiya Begum murder trial hears how she met traumatic death

Live coverage of the trial into the alleged murder of 20-year-old Somaiya Begum, whose body was found after she disappeared a fortnight earlier.

www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk

 

[nothinonyou]

Stephen Bear being sentenced to actual jail time has made my day. Ellis Whitehouse from Essex Live has reported the whole trial really well.

he is a really dangerous man with no remorse. Even on celebrity big brother you could see he has serious issues. Glad he got jail time, I'm actually surprised. Even the judge must have been disgusted by him

 

[Deeznutslol]

Stephen Bear being sentenced to actual jail time has made my day. Ellis Whitehouse from Essex Live has reported the whole trial really well.

And he’s on the sex offenders register for 10 years. It’s a good result tbf.

 

[Chunkeylaydee]

Rest In Peace Victoria

 

[MedeaWho]

I’m confused did she shove the cyclist off the pavement or just wave her hands about?
As far as I know cyclists aren’t allowed on pavements unless it is stated it can be used
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If its just a case of yelling and waving her arms then I don’t feel she is guilty

If you look at the video, she pushed the cyclist into the road. However, she has cerebral palsy which has been used to say that she just waved her hands and didn’t deliberately push.
And by the way this was a shared pavement, the cyclist did nothing wrong, she was allowed to be there.

 

[OnlyHereForTheLolz]

If you look at the video, she pushed the cyclist into the road. However, she has cerebral palsy which has been used to say that she just waved her hands and didn’t deliberately push.
And by the way this was a shared pavement, the cyclist did nothing wrong, she was allowed to be there.

You should've read on. It's still unclear if it's a shared pavement. Pedestrians have right of way. There was a lamp post making where they 'met up' narrow which means cyclist should've waited or got off bicycle. There is no evidence to say she pushed her.
But in all honesty we'll never know the truth.

 

[LaBlonde]

You should've read on. It's still unclear if it's a shared pavement. Pedestrians have right of way. There was a lamp post making where they 'met up' narrow which means cyclist should've waited or got off bicycle. There is no evidence to say she pushed her.
But in all honesty we'll never know the truth.

the bbc article implies there was more, but like you say, we’ll never know:

Huntingdon cyclist death: Police warn over ill-informed views

Auriol Grey has been jailed after gesturing and swearing at a woman who fell into the path of a car.

www.bbc.co.uk

Det Sgt Dollard, who interviewed Grey, told BBC Radio Cambridgeshire: "I'll always remember the morning after it occurred obtaining the CCTV and watching it in its entirety.

"In all honesty it's horrific and not appropriate for wider release to the public, but, if it were, then I think a lot of the arguments in relation to appropriate responses would be null and void."

 

[MedeaWho]

She has admitted making contact with the cyclist. In my eyes she’s guilty. Her actions were inappropriate and cost somebody their life. And then she went off BEFORE any emergency services arrived. She basically fled the scene.

 

[OnlyHereForTheLolz]

She has admitted making contact with the cyclist. In my eyes she’s guilty. Her actions were inappropriate and cost somebody their life. And then she went off BEFORE any emergency services arrived. She basically fled the scene.

Could you please reference where she’s admitted to making contact? During trial it was stated there was no contact and nobody witnessed contact.
So I’d love to know where you read she admitted it?

 

[LaBlonde]

Could you please reference where she’s admitted to making contact? During trial it was stated there was no contact and nobody witnessed contact.
So I’d love to know where you read she admitted it?

i couldn’t find where she confirmed it but it gets mentioned here:

Huntingdon: Cyclist death accused was 'anxious' for her own safety, jury told

Auriol Grey is accused of gesturing in a "hostile" way to a cyclist who fell into the path of a car.

www.bbc.co.uk

She described the pedal cycle as travelling "fast" in the centre of the pavement, stating she was "anxious that I was going to get hit by it".
She said she "may have unintentionally put" out her hand to protect herself. Ms Grey believed she had made light contact with Mrs Ward.
After being shown the CCTV footage, interviewing officer Det Sgt Mark Dollard asked her why she said what she said, to which she responded: "I don't know."

 

[OnlyHereForTheLolz]

Not to split hairs but obviously splitting hairs. That's not admitting making contact

 

[MedeaWho]

How is believing she made light contact not admiring to making contact?

 

[LaBlonde]

Not to split hairs but obviously splitting hairs. That's not admitting making contact

ultimately, grey believes she made contact. you’re right that’s not admitting “yes i pushed her” but she says she put her arm out in fright that the bike would hit her and thinks she brushed the rider. this must be shown in the cctv based on the police’s comments in the article today.

like you said earlier though, we will never know. from grey’s pov it must have happened incredibly quickly when she was in an agitated state and she left the scene directly afterwards. the “proof” appears to be in the ending of the cctv, which we’ll never see. just a sad sad event all around.

 

[IaballHeabike]

It’s a tricky one. We see a short video footage where it does appear she may have come into contact with the cyclist but isn’t for certain. My opinion is though, that the jury must have been presented with enough evidence to convict. How could a jury have all/mostly come to the same conclusion of guilt based on what we as the public have seen?

 

[MedeaWho]

It’s a tricky one. We see a short video footage where it does appear she may have come into contact with the cyclist but isn’t for certain. My opinion is though, that the jury must have been presented with enough evidence to convict. How could a jury have all/mostly come to the same conclusion of guilt based on what we as the public have seen?

I imagine they would have seen the whole video. And heard everything she said during the interviews.

 

[Pushyplumb]

I imagine they haven't shared more of the video to the public but it shows when the car hit her. Obviously the family and the public in general shouldn't see that.

 

[Treesy19]

I’m glad she’s been jailed but I also feel a bit sorry for her given her “she’s got no one apart from one friend” thing. Sad all round. SO needless, all because she lost her rag. Looked like poor Celia was startled from the sudden confrontation. Bet she’d never experienced someone being aggressive at her whilst cycling.

I’d need to watch it again but I’m sure it seemed Celia was cycling on the edge anyway, like near the curb so shared pathway or not it looked like this woman had room to still walk. I understand also that maybe her vision wasn’t great. So shared pathway or not I just got the impression that Celia had moved to the side already for her anyway.

But I read all that I just felt deeply upset for the husband and daughter of Celia.

 

[EffingDust]

This is going to sound harsh and I expect to get plenty of angry responses, but I don’t feel sorry for the woman who may have pushed/ did shout and gesture and swear at the poor old lady cyclist.

Everyone says “oh it’s mental health” yes it is,
but so was Jonty Bravery, as another poster said. So was that sick witch in Belgium in the news who killed her 5 kids by slitting their throats. So was the Devon shooter that killed 5 people in the street including a tiny little girl and her dad.

Some people have conditions that make them cause harm to others, they should be kept away from society for that, and they should be punished for the things they do that cause that harm.

She’s obviously a horror if none of her family bother with her and she has one singular friend in the whole world. Don’t see anyone in the news defending her apart from people who don’t know her.

Let her rot in jail. Nothing of value to society has been lost.