Real Life Crime and Murder #13

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Curtaintwitcher45 said:
I was quite confused at the fact that the judge told the court that he found it impossible to say that one parent was more to blame than the other and they were equally responsible but then he gave the dad 7 and a half years but but the mother only 6? Both very insulting sentences considering how much that girl suffered but why give one a longer sentence when they were both as bad as each other
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Yes, just to echo what others have said, she got her sentenced reduced by 20% for pleading guilty.
 
Wackie Jeaver said:
Sentence was pathetic. That poor poor girl. And there were 5 other children - hope to god they are not with these scum
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With good behaviour they will be out 5/6 years that’s bloody awful, that poor kid died in conditions that were horrific.
They were charged with manslaughter, so could Constance Marten and partner potential Have about the same jail time?
 
Stiltoncheese said:
I presume that might have been because mum pleaded guilty from the off so that wad taken into account in the mitigating factors for sentencing. Dad didn't and forced a costly, upsetting and unnecessary trial so he got a longer sentence.

I think they quite often lop some time off for early guilt plea sadly
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The dad's defence was "I'm lazy". When challenged by the prosecution why didn't clean, help, support - do anything at all, he responded "because i'm lazy" - I'd never heard anything like it. As if that is a defence.
 
GlassOfBeans said:
What are people’s thoughts on this case? Tragic for everyone involved really

https://www.12ft.io/https://www.dai...77-fatally-struck-car-arrives-sentencing.html
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I agree tragic for everyone involved. But the woman looks like she was at least partly to blame for the OAP falling off her bike and being killed seconds later. If she hadn;t have been so aggressive then the other woman would probably be alive. It's not difficult to share the pavement with responsible cyclists and seeing how dangerous and narrow the road is then the pavement seems appropriate.
 
I’mJust watching awful horrendous case of a bastard Pyschopath,Killed his wife only married shortime before he murdered her,she had inherited £150,000,000 from her mother,the supposedly went on honey moon loads of countries £75,000 spent.He had murdered her,dismembered her,then burnt her body.Says in article he spent 65,000,Watching case on Sky Crime they said £75,000

https://www.12ft.io/https://www.dai...Starbuck-embarked-world-trip-65k-savings.html
 
MissTeddy said:
The dad's defence was "I'm lazy". When challenged by the prosecution why didn't clean, help, support - do anything at all, he responded "because i'm lazy" - I'd never heard anything like it. As if that is a defence.
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Yeah it's pretty shocking as defences go, but I guess the defending barrister had literally nothing else to use and he had the right to a trial. Shame really as it was a tit use of public funds to go to full trial when it was obvious he wouldn't get away with it.
 
Campari said:
I agree tragic for everyone involved. But the woman looks like she was at least partly to blame for the OAP falling off her bike and being killed seconds later. If she hadn;t have been so aggressive then the other woman would probably be alive. It's not difficult to share the pavement with responsible cyclists and seeing how dangerous and narrow the road is then the pavement seems appropriate.
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You can't go shoving people into the road no matter how annoying it is if someone cycles on the pavement. I can't get into my head how this woman could do this.

So many lives destroyed. A woman killed, a woman now in prison and the poor driver who will be scared by this too. Such a senseless crime.
 
Pushyplumb said:
You can't go shoving people into the road no matter how annoying it is if someone cycles on the pavement. I can't get into my head how this woman could do this.

So many lives destroyed. A woman killed, a woman now in prison and the poor driver who will be scared by this too. Such a senseless crime.
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I think she just waved her arms at her rather than physically pushed her. But still, not a good idea to do that near a busy road. The jailed woman is disabled as well I believe.
 
OnlyHereForTheLolz said:
I’m confused did she shove the cyclist off the pavement or just wave her hands about?
As far as I know cyclists aren’t allowed on pavements unless it is stated it can be used
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If its just a case of yelling and waving her arms then I don’t feel she is guilty
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I don’t think she did hit her just waved her arms about and swore at her.. however the path was for both cyclist and walkers.
She is disabled too with mobility and cognitive issues.
I am not so sure either about guilt but the poor woman that died left husband and daughter who would still have their mum/wife is she had let her be. Glad I ain’t on the jury as I think this would be a difficult case, it said this was the second trial too.
Poor driver too ..
 
Aberscot said:
I don’t think she did hit her just waved her arms about and swore at her.. however the path was for both cyclist and walkers.
She is disabled too with mobility and cognitive issues.
I am not so sure either about guilt but the poor woman that died left husband and daughter who would still have their mum/wife is she had let her be. Glad I ain’t on the jury as I think this would be a difficult case, it said this was the second trial too.
Poor driver too ..
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That’s awful. I also think that poor driver must have a huge amount of guilt.
 
I don't think she actually pushed her off the pavement, but she blocked the pavement and waved her hands forcing the cyclist onto the road. So not really much difference to if she actually pushed her into oncoming traffic.
There often is this horrible entitled attitude towards the safety of cyclists. I feel sorry for the jailed woman as she no doubt didn't mean to kill her. But she was callus towards the safety of the cyclist. I've seen this behavior before on shared pavements where people endanger cyclists and hopefully it sends out a message for people to be sensible. The cyclists was probably in danger because she slowed down.
Right outcome for this case.
 
She didn't push her - the footage is online. The pavement was narrow, both coming towards each other. The woman lifts her arm up and directs the woman on the bike to go on the road. I understand she was rude and swore. The bike attempts to slow down and swerves into the road and comes to a stop. Then the cyclist attempts to turn her bike in the road. The video cuts off then, assume she was knocked over.

I cant see how they can find her guilty. The cyclist should have been in control of her bike as she approached a pedestrian on a pavement.
 
Justhereforthedrama said:
She didn't push her - the footage is online. The pavement was narrow, both coming towards each other. The woman lifts her arm up and directs the woman on the bike to go on the road. I understand she was rude and swore. The bike attempts to slow down and swerves into the road and comes to a stop. Then the cyclist attempts to turn her bike in the road. The video cuts off then, assume she was knocked over.

I cant see how they can find her guilty. The cyclist should have been in control of her bike as she approached a pedestrian on a pavement.
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The woman also did 'flee the scene' and was arrested doing her shopping in Sainsbury's... So yes I agree she didn't push her, and i don't think the path was so narrow that they couldnt have passed by (defendant was in the middle of the path). But to see someone get run over by a car and go do your shopping? Callous...
 
She didn't really direct her, she was agressive, confrontational and downright dangerous forcing the cyclist on the road rather than using the shared space as it was intended.
Insane to think the cyclist should 100% always be in control when this person was acting dangerously with little regard for someone else's safety. Impossible to stay in control if someone is doing their best to disrupt. It's clear why they felt she should be convicted.
 
Campari said:
She didn't really direct her, she was agressive, confrontational and downright dangerous forcing the cyclist on the road rather than using the shared space as it was intended.
Insane to think the cyclist should 100% always be in control when this person was acting dangerously with little regard for someone else's safety. Impossible to stay in control if someone is doing their best to disrupt. It's clear why they felt she should be convicted.
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Also I think people are hearing cyclist and picturing someone bombing down the path in full lyrca. She was a 77 year old in her wee coat and handbag on what looks like a fold down bike, hardly a target difficult to dodge (on the path I mean)

https://www.12ft.io/https://www.dai...r-raising-hand-elderly-cyclist-collision.html
 
Bima6694 said:
Also I think people are hearing cyclist and picturing someone bombing down the path in full lyrca. She was a 77 year old in her wee coat and handbag on what looks like a fold down bike, hardly a target difficult to dodge (on the path I mean)

https://www.12ft.io/https://www.dai...r-raising-hand-elderly-cyclist-collision.html
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Hang on, Im now doubting myself having watched it over and over again. Im wondering just as the accused goes off screen does she swing back and push the woman?
 
Justhereforthedrama said:
Hang on, Im now doubting myself having watched it over and over again. Im wondering just as the accused goes off screen does she swing back and push the woman?
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No, I think she's just turned towards her saying whatever she's saying. I think the lady on the bike slows down too much and loses her balance, puts her foot down which is over the kerb and tips into the road
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Justhereforthedrama said:
Hang on, Im now doubting myself having watched it over and over again. Im wondering just as the accused goes off screen does she swing back and push the woman?
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Although I've just watched it again with this context and yes it really does look like she grabs and pushes her actually. Good spot
 
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