Made in Chelsea #7

[Sliceofpizza]

Tristan definitely resents James for ‘growing up’ although James doesn’t seem particularly mature to me

I also think the ‘cast mate’ friendship is probably pretty accurate even if they knew of each other before… You can be hi mates with someone and be cool/hang out etc and become closer still once you have the scenario of being in each other’s pockets & as a result become closer. It would’ve been suitable for them to be close to get storylines by acting up in clubs and pulling girls etc so it made sense for the friendship to be cultivated in that way & now it’s obviously changed.

James is too bitchy anyway, his delivery could’ve been so much better & it’s already proven he lacks loyalty in friendships (although it was clear the Maeva and Miles relationship wasn’t going to go anywhere!) That said Tristan isn’t a nice person and way too smug so he probably deserved it!

 

[strawberrysunshine_x]

Tristan definitely resents James for ‘growing up’ although James doesn’t seem particularly mature to me

I also think the ‘cast mate’ friendship is probably pretty accurate even if they knew of each other before… You can be hi mates with someone and be cool/hang out etc and become closer still once you have the scenario of being in each other’s pockets & as a result become closer. It would’ve been suitable for them to be close to get storylines by acting up in clubs and pulling girls etc so it made sense for the friendship to be cultivated in that way & now it’s obviously changed.

James is too bitchy anyway, his delivery could’ve been so much better & it’s already proven he lacks loyalty in friendships (although it was clear the Maeva and Miles relationship wasn’t going to go anywhere!) That said Tristan isn’t a nice person and way too smug so he probably deserved it!

I’m not defending Tristan here but last series when Maeva was desperate to be engaged etc who was James’ shoulder to cry on? It was Tristan. And who did maeva blame for James cheating - not at all like James is a grown adult & responsible for his own drinking But I can see why Tristan would be upset by James’ words as he’s just dropped him like that.
what on earth was it all about James saying he’s not ready putting her off all the time & then proposes To others it does look odd & like he’s only done it cos shes preggers

 

[cee-bee]

I’m not defending Tristan here but last series when Maeva was desperate to be engaged etc who was James’ shoulder to cry on? It was Tristan. And who did maeva blame for James cheating - not at all like James is a grown adult & responsible for his own drinking But I can see why Tristan would be upset by James’ words as he’s just dropped him like that.
what on earth was it all about James saying he’s not ready putting her off all the time & then proposes To others it does look odd & like he’s only done it cos shes preggers

good point.

I think we all judge it differently here too - if my OH was pressuring me to get engaged and I’d gone to my friend to discuss it with them, I’d be livid if that friend had gone to a magazine to discuss it, or had discussed it with other people. We know that James confided in Tristan - because he did it in front of a camera, in full knowledge it would be aired.

Maeva, James, Tristan and Liv all put this in the open by virtue of being in the cast of MIC. James and Maeva put their relationship drama on TV - so it’s really not that mental for Liv or Tristan to speculate or talk about stuff with other people, other cast members and to other media.

the cast get pissy sometimes about things being shared but I think there’s an implicit understanding between them that all is fair game.

I remember once Maeva was discussing Miles in bed and how there was more passion with him than janes and then someone - maybe Emily - brought it up at a dinner table, so the James there. She’d clearly been prodded by production to do that, (just like Liv had obviously been goaded to confront Maeva about James cheating, and probably just like Maeva was told to attend Liv’s party a couple of episodes ago.) in normal circumstances, if a girl did that to you and shared something you’d confided of the nature in front of your current boyfriend, you’d have words. But the next day they had a quick apology and it blew over. maeva didnt even seem that mad, it’s was like she knew it’s part of the gig. I guess the line was crossed when she considered that Tristan was partly to blame for cheating (in her view).

 

[Sliceofpizza]

I’m not defending Tristan here but last series when Maeva was desperate to be engaged etc who was James’ shoulder to cry on? It was Tristan. And who did maeva blame for James cheating - not at all like James is a grown adult & responsible for his own drinking But I can see why Tristan would be upset by James’ words as he’s just dropped him like that.

But there’s always that friend offering their shoulder to cry on for the end scenario they want/can coerce to see coming! That’s not necessarily a mate. And for James he’s going to to go to the person who will more than likely agree with him.

 

[Leethechimpanzee]

I’m not defending Tristan here but last series when Maeva was desperate to be engaged etc who was James’ shoulder to cry on? It was Tristan. And who did maeva blame for James cheating - not at all like James is a grown adult & responsible for his own drinking But I can see why Tristan would be upset by James’ words as he’s just dropped him like that.
what on earth was it all about James saying he’s not ready putting her off all the time & then proposes To others it does look odd & like he’s only done it cos shes preggers

But these are all over dramatised scenes for views on the programme, it’s all hugely scripted…

I’ve realised how watching their insta stories, quite often moaning (between expensive hair appointments and gym sessions) of the inconvenience of filming for a few hours.

There is nothing candid, authentic or in the Tristan and James story line sincere about it. I actually loved James’s half bemused and slightly mocking facial expressions during those scenes…

You could clearly see he was thinking “come on mate you know this is absolute bullshit and we are all a bit old for it”

 

[Hamandmushroom]

I'm sorry to say this, but am I the only one who finds Miles' Australian girl really ugly?? I can't get my head around how he goes on dates with gorgeous, gorgeous women and is never interested, but is investing a lot of energy, time and emotion into a non-sexual connection (since he's very shallow and has plenty of choice)! I don't get it! I definitely agree with what another user said about it being "safe" for his commitment issues

 

[cee-bee]

There is nothing candid, authentic or in the Tristan and James story line sincere about it. I actually loved James’s half bemused and slightly mocking facial expressions during those scenes…

You could clearly see he was thinking “come on mate you know this is absolute bullshit and we are all a bit old for it”

honestly, the smirking came across to me as someone who was enjoying hurting someone else. James was pissed off at Tristan IMO, and was getting a kick out of hurting him.

as for the speculation as to how scripted it all is… none of us are cast members (apart from Mel Tatum ) so I think it’s all speculation.

a couple of years ago, I actually witnessed the show being filmed. It was an All Star Lanes on Brick Lane. I came in at the same time as Sam Thompson, who held back in the separate dining/restaurant area.

Toff (remember Toff?!) was sat in a booth at the very end of the bowling alley and the crew were set up. When the crew were ready, Sam was given the green light to head over to that section. It was taken in one go and it looked and sounded like .. a pretty genuine conversation. They hung a little afterwards, had a quick debrief with the crew, before both taking off. I think another cast member met up with them. The date I saw the scene being filmed was April 2018 (I was excitedly texting my BFF at the time ) so must’ve been a series shortly after then.

when I watched the scene when it aired, it felt pretty true to what I’d witnessed. No multiple takes or production getting involved or anything like that.

my understanding is that the cast have regular chats with production who then follow the cast based on what they’ve been told - so for example hypothetically, James could mention to producers that he’s annoyed at Tristan and so they’ll arrange for the two to meet up and ask that they have the conversation at a set time and place.

(I’ll try and find the scene episode I watched!)

honestly, the smirking came across to me as someone who was enjoying hurting someone else. James was pissed off at Tristan IMO, and was getting a kick out of hurting him.

as for the speculation as to how scripted it all is… none of us are cast members (apart from Mel Tatum ) so I think it’s all speculation.

a couple of years ago, I actually witnessed the show being filmed. It was an All Star Lanes on Brick Lane. I came in at the same time as Sam Thompson, who held back in the separate dining/restaurant area.

Toff (remember Toff?!) was sat in a booth at the very end of the bowling alley and the crew were set up. When the crew were ready, Sam was given the green light to head over to that section. It was taken in one go and it looked and sounded like .. a pretty genuine conversation. They hung a little afterwards, had a quick debrief with the crew, before both taking off. I think another cast member met up with them. The date I saw the scene being filmed was April 2018 (I was excitedly texting my BFF at the time ) so must’ve been a series shortly after then.

when I watched the scene when it aired, it felt pretty true to what I’d witnessed. No multiple takes or production getting involved or anything like that.

my understanding is that the cast have regular chats with production who then follow the cast based on what they’ve been told - so for example hypothetically, James could mention to producers that he’s annoyed at Tristan and so they’ll arrange for the two to meet up and ask that they have the conversation at a set time and place.

(I’ll try and find the scene episode I watched!)

(toff was actually talking to James at the bar for chunk of it, but at the time I thought he was crew )

 

[Dtnbaboo]

honestly, the smirking came across to me as someone who was enjoying hurting someone else. James was pissed off at Tristan IMO, and was getting a kick out of hurting him.

as for the speculation as to how scripted it all is… none of us are cast members (apart from Mel Tatum ) so I think it’s all speculation.

a couple of years ago, I actually witnessed the show being filmed. It was an All Star Lanes on Brick Lane. I came in at the same time as Sam Thompson, who held back in the separate dining/restaurant area.

Toff (remember Toff?!) was sat in a booth at the very end of the bowling alley and the crew were set up. When the crew were ready, Sam was given the green light to head over to that section. It was taken in one go and it looked and sounded like .. a pretty genuine conversation. They hung a little afterwards, had a quick debrief with the crew, before both taking off. I think another cast member met up with them. The date I saw the scene being filmed was April 2018 (I was excitedly texting my BFF at the time ) so must’ve been a series shortly after then.

when I watched the scene when it aired, it felt pretty true to what I’d witnessed. No multiple takes or production getting involved or anything like that.

my understanding is that the cast have regular chats with production who then follow the cast based on what they’ve been told - so for example hypothetically, James could mention to producers that he’s annoyed at Tristan and so they’ll arrange for the two to meet up and ask that they have the conversation at a set time and place.

(I’ll try and find the scene episode I watched!)



(toff was actually talking to James at the bar for chunk of it, but at the time I thought he was crew )

Yes same with TOWIE, I always understood scripted to mean different to what I think a lot people expect it to mean. In a normal situation Tristan and James might decide an issue isn’t worth discussing and drifting apart would be not bothering to seeing each other, let things take a natural course but because they’re on the show the producers expect them to have a talk about it. Tristan might be somewhere that James wasn’t but James is asked by producers to turn up so they bump into each other for the conversation, that’s what is scripted I think. I don’t think what they say is scripted. I remember a cast member from Towie saying that before scenes they would discuss their week with a producer, what things have pissed them off etc and then the crew make the arrangements for these things to come up in the show one way or another and I reckon MIC is very similar.

 

[cee-bee]

Yes same with TOWIE, I always understood scripted to mean different to what I think a lot people expect it to mean. In a normal situation Tristan and James might decide an issue isn’t worth discussing and drifting apart would be not bothering to seeing each other, let things take a natural course but because they’re on the show the producers expect them to have a talk about it. Tristan might be somewhere that James wasn’t but James is asked by producers to turn up so they bump into each other for the conversation, that’s what is scripted I think. I don’t think what they say is scripted. I remember a cast member from Towie saying that before scenes they would discuss their week with a producer, what things have pissed them off etc and then the crew make the arrangements for these things to come up in the show one way or another and I reckon MIC is very similar.

yep agreed.

just checked and the episode I saw (part of) being filmed was series 15 episode 9. It was apparently first broadcast on 7th May 2018, and I can say with a pretty good level of certainty that the exact date I saw it being filmed was 6th April 2018 - interesting they’d already starting releasing episodes from that series, it began in March 2018. So they must’ve been filming as it was being broadcast.

I’d witnessed Habbs and Sam’s first date apparently I Dont really remember Habbs being there but she’s quite generic looking and she wasn’t established as a cast member at that point, neither was James IIRC. Sam and Toff were instantly recognisable to me because I’d recognises them from older series (I’d tap in and out of MIC in all honesty and skipped some series).

Sam came across as super arrogant as we went in - he just had this really arrogant looking swagger in is the best way I can think of to describe it, but then maybe he was just nervous.

Toff was wearing all white which stood out quite a bit because the bar area there is all dark.

id taken the day off work because a friend was visiting me which is how I’m able to pinpoint the day quite well - so the bowling alley wasn’t as busy as it would’ve been on a weekend. But they were just like anyone else really, nothing was sectioned off for them and the crew were pretty good at almost blending into the background.

 

[Musings30]

Also, just caught up on tonight's episode and I can't believe how unpleasant Julian is. I actually think he's the worst type - pretends to be a nice guy but actually is a nasty piece of work who enjoys humiliating women to boost his ego. Willow should run a mile, lucky escape. He's a walking red flag. Life coach my arse.

I'm a former life coaching client of Julius's (yes, cringe ahoy) and I can confirm that he is highly unprofessional in his service. I dropped him as a life coach on account of this, and after seeing how disgustingly he treated Tabitha and India on the show. What I find astounding is the fact he sees absolutely no issue with his behaviour and how this would damage his professional image and credibility. In fact, I called him out on his behaviour on the show and how revolting I found his treatment of various women, and he patronisingly told me to "take it with a pinch of salt".

In terms of Julius's professional conduct - or lack thereof - I had various niggles with his conduct throughout the course of our (online) sessions, which I foolishly bit my tongue on but finally voiced to him after seeing his appalling behaviour on screen. He was late to the vast majority of our sessions, and would literally only notify me minutes beforehand that he would be late to our appointments by 10-30 minutes, or would ask to postpone it to a later time that day. Unbelievably, he didn't once apologise for being late or chopping and changing appointment times at a moment's notice. He would simply just ask in a cavalier manner if we could rearrange, as if his time was more valuable than mine, and his clients should have to fit around his schedule and laissez-faire approach to appointment times.

On another occasion, I confirmed a session booking with Julius over WhatsApp for the following day, but he didn't get back to me for nearly 48 hours - meaning he missed the session. When I finally heard from him, he didn't even acknowledge the fact he missed our session, let alone apologise, and breezily asked if we could do one the following day.

Another major concern for me was the fact he rolled on our sessions to a new block booking without seeking my consent first. I was only made aware of this when Julius messaged me to ask if I could send him payment for this new block booking. Needless to say, I felt embarrassed and put on the spot, so agreed to do so, without having thinking space (due to some personal stress I was going through) to consider whether this was something I actually wanted. Absolutely astonishing and unethical as hell on his part. When I told him I didn't realise we were on a new session, he didn't even ask if I was happy to proceed - or ask me to sign a new contract - as he should have done. Sneaky as hell.

What's all the more galling is the fact Julius also had the audacity to judge and virtue-signal about the behaviour of a guy who did the exact same thing to me that he did to India. He's not an honourable person in the slightest and his behaviour smacks of narcissism and a breath-taking lack of self-awareness.

This is all remarkable for the fee he charges - which I assure you is far from cheap.

On review, I'm annoyed at myself for not ending the life coaching sessions sooner, merely on account of Julius's staggeringly arrogant and self-centred behaviour towards his paying client. But seeing his treatment of India was the absolute tipping point for me and what prompted me to cancel our sessions and call him out on his behaviour.

Another very concerning issue for me was the fact Julius ignored my requests for a refund four times (for four life coaching sessions I cancelled), and only gave my money back when I threatened to seek legal advice on the matter. I also provided him with feedback on various concerns I had around his unprofessionalism during our sessions, but he completely ignored this too. Any half-decent professional would have been perturbed by such complaints about their service and done their utmost to apologise and try to make amends with their client - but not Julius. He sees zero issue with how he conducts himself both professionally and on the show, and can't seem to mentally grasp why people are so reviled by his terrible attitude and unbelievable lack of respect towards women.

To me, it's deeply troubling that the show's producers are continuing to give Julius a platform to promote himself and his life coaching service, and that he probably has many impressionable followers who will sign up to his service without realising what they're getting themselves into. I've contacted MiC's production company let them know about my experience of him as a life coach. Hopefully they'll actually take it seriously and hold him to account for his behaviour, but who knows.

 

[cee-bee]

I'm a former life coaching client of Julius's (yes, cringe ahoy) and I can confirm that he is highly unprofessional in his service. I dropped him as a life coach on account of this, and after seeing how disgustingly he treated Tabitha and India on the show. What I find astounding is the fact he sees absolutely no issue with his behaviour and how this would damage his professional image and credibility. In fact, I called him out on his behaviour on the show and how revolting I found his treatment of various women, and he patronisingly told me to "take it with a pinch of salt".

In terms of Julius's professional conduct - or lack thereof - I had various niggles with his conduct throughout the course of our (online) sessions, which I foolishly bit my tongue on but finally voiced to him after seeing his appalling behaviour on screen. He was late to the vast majority of our sessions, and would literally only notify me minutes beforehand that he would be late to our appointments by 10-30 minutes, or would ask to postpone it to a later time that day. Unbelievably, he didn't once apologise for being late or chopping and changing appointment times at a moment's notice. He would simply just ask in a cavalier manner if we could rearrange, as if his time was more valuable than mine, and his clients should have to fit around his schedule and laissez-faire approach to appointment times.

On another occasion, I confirmed a session booking with Julius over WhatsApp for the following day, but he didn't get back to me for nearly 48 hours - meaning he missed the session. When I finally heard from him, he didn't even acknowledge the fact he missed our session, let alone apologise, and breezily asked if we could do one the following day.

Another major concern for me was the fact he rolled on our sessions to a new block booking without seeking my consent first. I was only made aware of this when Julius messaged me to ask if I could send him payment for this new block booking. Needless to say, I felt embarrassed and put on the spot, so agreed to do so, without having thinking space (due to some personal stress I was going through) to consider whether this was something I actually wanted. Absolutely astonishing and unethical as hell on his part. When I told him I didn't realise we were on a new session, he didn't even ask if I was happy to proceed - or ask me to sign a new contract - as he should have done. Sneaky as hell.

What's all the more galling is the fact Julius also had the audacity to judge and virtue-signal about the behaviour of a guy who did the exact same thing to me that he did to India. He's not an honourable person in the slightest and his behaviour smacks of narcissism and a breath-taking lack of self-awareness.

This is all remarkable for the fee he charges - which I assure you is far from cheap.

On review, I'm annoyed at myself for not ending the life coaching sessions sooner, merely on account of Julius's staggeringly arrogant and self-centred behaviour towards his paying client. But seeing his treatment of India was the absolute tipping point for me and what prompted me to cancel our sessions and call him out on his behaviour.

Another very concerning issue for me was the fact Julius ignored my requests for a refund four times (for four life coaching sessions I cancelled), and only gave my money back when I threatened to seek legal advice on the matter. I also provided him with feedback on various concerns I had around his unprofessionalism during our sessions, but he completely ignored this too. Any half-decent professional would have been perturbed by such complaints about their service and done their utmost to apologise and try to make amends with their client - but not Julius. He sees zero issue with how he conducts himself both professionally and on the show, and can't seem to mentally grasp why people are so reviled by his terrible attitude and unbelievable lack of respect towards women.

To me, it's deeply troubling that the show's producers are continuing to give Julius a platform to promote himself and his life coaching service, and that he probably has many impressionable followers who will sign up to his service without realising what they're getting themselves into. I've contacted MiC's production company let them know about my experience of him as a life coach. Hopefully they'll actually take it seriously and hold him to account for his behaviour, but who knows.

this is some great tea, thanks for sharing ️

not at all surprised about what you’ve described.

 

[isabellahyde]

I'm sorry to say this, but am I the only one who finds Miles' Australian girl really ugly?? I can't get my head around how he goes on dates with gorgeous, gorgeous women and is never interested, but is investing a lot of energy, time and emotion into a non-sexual connection (since he's very shallow and has plenty of choice)! I don't get it! I definitely agree with what another user said about it being "safe" for his commitment issues

She was on Married at First Sight Australia season 9, I can only assume it’s all for publicity

 

[Musings30]

this is some great tea, thanks for sharing

not at all surprised about what you’ve described.

You're welcome. I'm really frustrated and annoyed by the whole experience and the fact there's no proper platform to hold him to account on. I can't even complain to an official body because no such thing exists for life coaches!! The fact he just didn't care and completely ignored the concerns I had about his conduct just makes me feel even more disgusted and hugely disrespected. On top of that, his endless cringey social media videos about not allowing yourself to be disrespected and treating others with respect are even more galling, considering his behaviour completely laughs in the face of what he preaches!

 

[coriander]

I'm sorry to say this, but am I the only one who finds Miles' Australian girl really ugly?? I can't get my head around how he goes on dates with gorgeous, gorgeous women and is never interested, but is investing a lot of energy, time and emotion into a non-sexual connection (since he's very shallow and has plenty of choice)! I don't get it! I definitely agree with what another user said about it being "safe" for his commitment issues

I know this is bitchy but her face looks like it's half melted. Anyway they're the most random combo because she lives in Australia...why are producers setting up random couples?

 

[cee-bee]

You're welcome. I'm really frustrated and annoyed by the whole experience and the fact there's no proper platform to hold him to account on. I can't even complain to an official body because no such thing exists for life coaches!! The fact he just didn't care and completely ignored the concerns I had about his conduct just makes me feel even more disgusted and hugely disrespected. On top of that, his endless cringey social media videos about not allowing yourself to be disrespected and treating others with respect are even more galling, considering his behaviour completely laughs in the face of what he preaches!

google reviews?

youre not the only one wondering why he’s life coaching, if it’s any consolation

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[cee-bee]

Another major concern for me was the fact he rolled on our sessions to a new block booking without seeking my consent first. I was only made aware of this when Julius messaged me to ask if I could send him payment for this new block booking. Needless to say, I felt embarrassed and put on the spot, so agreed to do so, without having thinking space (due to some personal stress I was going through) to consider whether this was something I actually wanted. Absolutely astonishing and unethical as hell on his part. When I told him I didn't realise we were on a new session, he didn't even ask if I was happy to proceed - or ask me to sign a new contract - as he should have done. Sneaky as hell…

This is all remarkable for the fee he charges - which I assure you is far from cheap….

Another very concerning issue for me was the fact Julius ignored my requests for a refund four times (for four life coaching sessions I cancelled), and only gave my money back when I threatened to seek legal advice on the matter.

all other stuff aside… what is it about hugely wealthy privileged people that make them so unashamedly greedy for money? Is it a lack of awareness? A huge sense of entitlement? Maybe a mixture of both? I’m from a working class,
Not-well-off background. I’d be mortified accepting money for something someone hadn’t asked for, and I’d be mortified if someone wanted a refund. I was taught (by my very working class grandparents) never to accept freebies and to have some pride. By the sounds of what you described, Julius was nonplussed taking your money because… he’s owed it right? He deserves it for gracing you with his presence.

He sounds like the type to invite you on a date and then expect you to pay for the whole thing for the pleasure of his company.

the type of behaviour you described/attitude towards money, reminds me of an ex I had who moved in the same MIC circles. His parents were insanely wealthy, made their money form property, he was from London, privately educated etc etc.

we dated when he was a student and he constantly told me he didn’t have money (while simultaneously planning a very extensive “gap year” his parents had given him a huge lump sum for). I was on a low paid job at the time trying to get out of my overdraft. No gap years for me.

he’d do things like invite me out for lunch and make it very clear he’d be paying for himself and I’d be paying for myself. No taking it in turns or anything, he’d literally count out the pennies. He’d offer to make me dinner but then when I was on the way to his, he’d ask me to pick up all the ingredients.

We’d arrange a cinema date, then as we were queuing for tickets, he’d suddenly have to go to the loo when we approached the cash desk.

it honestly gave me the major ick. He started dating a girl soon after we broke up and eventually they got married and I always wondered if that entitlement or stinginess bothered her.

india’s self esteem must’ve been on the floor to allow herself to be strung along by Julius for two years. I really hope it’s one of those mistakes you make when you’re young and you learn from it and date a decent guy next.

julius really is a scumbag.

 

[Musings30]

all other stuff aside… what is it about hugely wealthy privileged people that make them so unashamedly greedy for money? Is it a lack of awareness? A huge sense of entitlement? Maybe a mixture of both? I’m from a working class,
Not-well-off background. I’d be mortified accepting money for something someone hadn’t asked for, and I’d be mortified if someone wanted a refund. I was taught (by my very working class grandparents) never to accept freebies and to have some pride. By the sounds of what you described, Julius was nonplussed taking your money because… he’s owed it right? He deserves it for gracing you with his presence.

He sounds like the type to invite you on a date and then expect you to pay for the whole thing for the pleasure of his company.

the type of behaviour you described/attitude towards money, reminds me of an ex I had who moved in the same MIC circles. His parents were insanely wealthy, made their money form property, he was from London, privately educated etc etc.

we dated when he was a student and he constantly told me he didn’t have money (while simultaneously planning a very extensive “gap year” his parents had given him a huge lump sum for). I was on a low paid job at the time trying to get out of my overdraft. No gap years for me.

he’d do things like invite me out for lunch and make it very clear he’d be paying for himself and I’d be paying for myself. No taking it in turns or anything, he’d literally count out the pennies. He’d offer to make me dinner but then when I was on the way to his, he’d ask me to pick up all the ingredients.

We’d arrange a cinema date, then as we were queuing for tickets, he’d suddenly have to go to the loo when we approached the cash desk.

it honestly gave me the major ick. He started dating a girl soon after we broke up and eventually they got married and I always wondered if that entitlement or stinginess bothered her.

india’s self esteem must’ve been on the floor to allow herself to be strung along by Julius for two years. I really hope it’s one of those mistakes you make when you’re young and you learn from it and date a decent guy next.

julius really is a scumbag.

Hey there,

Thanks for your reply. You've raised some very interesting and valid points on the subject, and I definitely think Julius's massive air of entitlement is fuelled by his privilege upbringing. He operates inside a gilded bubble from which he obviously can't grasp the reality of life for "normal" people who've had to work hard for their money. He knew I worked full-time and had to obviously take time out of my working schedule sometimes (an hour I would make up either during lunch or after my usual working hours) yet didn't have the consideration to take this into account.

As per my original post, he seems to be of the attitude whereby he can just "rock up" to sessions as and when it suits him, and that clients should be cool with that. On several occasions when he was late, it was very apparent that he'd just gotten in from the gym as he was decked in his gym gear. Sloppy and unprofessional much! And I kid you not, he also turned up to a few sessions wearing a baseball cap, which he never took off! What a blistering lack of self-awareness! I must admit I'm an idiot at myself for not vocalising my frustrations with his lateness - and various other issues - at the time but the idea of bringing up the subject felt awkward. It's interesting though; as someone who used to squirm at any form of confrontation, Julius has inspired me to go completely the opposite way and pull people, including himself, up on their sh!t.

On the subject of your ex date...just wow! Good luck to the next poor lady! The stinginess and staggering levels of entitlement are definitely hallmark behaviour of a lot of people from those circles. I once dated a guy who came from a fairly well-off background and he once had the cheek to ask me on a day out in Brighton if I'd willing to pay his parking fine if he ended up getting one (despite being parked outside his second home, fml)!!

As for India, yes, I feel really bad for her. She's clearly a very emotionally vulnerable person and I think the MiC producers bringing her on there and showing her up like that was hugely exploitative. Having very much been in her shoes with another guy, I can definitely vouch for the fact it always boils down to low self-esteem. Now I'm seeing someone who actually behaves like a man and treats me with the utmost levels of respect. It'll all change once she dates someone decent and she'll realise what a lucky escape she had.

google reviews?

youre not the only one wondering why he’s life coaching, if it’s any consolation

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Alas, you can't find his life coaching service on Google reviews. It's actually near-impossible to find any reference to his business online. He doesn't even have a website, which is extremely odd. I do wonder if this complete lack of transparency is a very considered move on his part...The only way you to gain more information about his life coaching service is by contacting him directly via Instagram DM. It's all very cagey, and believe you me, I will keep exploring my options on the review/complaint front.

youre right. Verity is from Dorset, Maeva is from Paris, James is from Essex, Melissa Tatum is from Somerset, Inga is from Wiltshire, Sam Prince is from Sussex (he went to school in East Sussex and his current business, forager health ltd, is based in West Sussex). Julius aka Julian aka spring onion was born in Canterbury and raised in Offham, Kent. Emily Blackwell is from Surrey. Rez was born in America and presumably brought up not far from Epsom, since he met other cast members at Epsom College (FYI Epsom college seems to be the place to be if you want to get “in” with that set. Clive Watson - father of the Watson sisters attended and is now also a trustee, as well as lots of other cast members being alumni). Liv Bentley was brought up in Oxfordshire, with her grandfather leaving an estate worth ~£50m to her mother, Burrow Farm Estate, near Henley-on-Thames.

even the Londoners weren’t brought up in Chelsea. Issy is from Hackney.

the cast member who is probably the best contender for having been “made” in Chelsea is Tristan Phipps - his mother Carrie Wicks, was chief of operations for hotel chain, Firmdale Group, for around 20 years and she left in 2016. Since the HQ is South Kensington, it stands to reasoning she’d have been based near there. And ironically, I’d say Tristan has the least affected vocal fry.

when you realise none of them were brought up anywhere near Chelsea, that most of them come from nice, standard middle class towns - it makes their vocal fry all the more ridiculous. Willow was supposedly brought up in Mallorca and has the worst vocal fry of them all - she’s almost a caricature of herself in her desperation to fit in.

it should be renamed “made in the Home Counties with delusions of superiority, moved to west London or thereabouts for a social media career, put on affected accent”

Wow, your grasp of knowledge is quite impressiveHow do you know most of this? Are you a journo? You've definitely got the investigative skills to be one (that's a compliment by the way haha). I'm more Chelsea than any of this lot, as I was born and bred over the bridge from there. Alas, I don't hail from similar privilege though

 

[Libbub]

Hey there,

Thanks for your reply. You've raised some very interesting and valid points on the subject, and I definitely think Julius's massive air of entitlement is fuelled by his privilege upbringing. He operates inside a gilded bubble from which he obviously can't grasp the reality of life for "normal" people who've had to work hard for their money. He knew I worked full-time and had to obviously take time out of my working schedule sometimes (an hour I would make up either during lunch or after my usual working hours) yet didn't have the consideration to take this into account.

As per my original post, he seems to be of the attitude whereby he can just "rock up" to sessions as and when it suits him, and that clients should be cool with that. On several occasions when he was late, it was very apparent that he'd just gotten in from the gym as he was decked in his gym gear. Sloppy and unprofessional much! And I kid you not, he also turned up to a few sessions wearing a baseball cap, which he never took off! What a blistering lack of self-awareness! I must admit I'm an idiot at myself for not vocalising my frustrations with his lateness - and various other issues - at the time but the idea of bringing up the subject felt awkward. It's interesting though; as someone who used to squirm at any form of confrontation, Julius has inspired me to go completely the opposite way and pull people, including himself, up on their sh!t.

On the subject of your ex date...just wow! Good luck to the next poor lady! The stinginess and staggering levels of entitlement are definitely hallmark behaviour of a lot of people from those circles. I once dated a guy who came from a fairly well-off background and he once had the cheek to ask me on a day out in Brighton if I'd willing to pay his parking fine if he ended up getting one (despite being parked outside his second home, fml)!!

As for India, yes, I feel really bad for her. She's clearly a very emotionally vulnerable person and I think the MiC producers bringing her on there and showing her up like that was hugely exploitative. Having very much been in her shoes with another guy, I can definitely vouch for the fact it always boils down to low self-esteem. Now I'm seeing someone who actually behaves like a man and treats me with the utmost levels of respect. It'll all change once she dates someone decent and she'll realise what a lucky escape she had.


Alas, you can't find his life coaching service on Google reviews. It's actually near-impossible to find any reference to his business online. He doesn't even have a website, which is extremely odd. I do wonder if this complete lack of transparency is a very considered move on his part...The only way you to gain more information about his life coaching service is by contacting him directly via Instagram DM. It's all very cagey, and believe you me, I will keep exploring my options on the review/complaint front.



Wow, your grasp of knowledge is quite impressiveHow do you know most of this? Are you a journo? You've definitely got the investigative skills to be one (that's a compliment by the way haha). I'm more Chelsea than any of this lot, as I was born and bred over the bridge from there. Alas, I don't hail from similar privilege though

So how did you originally book him for his services and make contact?

 

[cee-bee]

Hey there,

Thanks for your reply. You've raised some very interesting and valid points on the subject, and I definitely think Julius's massive air of entitlement is fuelled by his privilege upbringing. He operates inside a gilded bubble from which he obviously can't grasp the reality of life for "normal" people who've had to work hard for their money. He knew I worked full-time and had to obviously take time out of my working schedule sometimes (an hour I would make up either during lunch or after my usual working hours) yet didn't have the consideration to take this into account.

As per my original post, he seems to be of the attitude whereby he can just "rock up" to sessions as and when it suits him, and that clients should be cool with that. On several occasions when he was late, it was very apparent that he'd just gotten in from the gym as he was decked in his gym gear. Sloppy and unprofessional much! And I kid you not, he also turned up to a few sessions wearing a baseball cap, which he never took off! What a blistering lack of self-awareness! I must admit I'm an idiot at myself for not vocalising my frustrations with his lateness - and various other issues - at the time but the idea of bringing up the subject felt awkward. It's interesting though; as someone who used to squirm at any form of confrontation, Julius has inspired me to go completely the opposite way and pull people, including himself, up on their sh!t.

On the subject of your ex date...just wow! Good luck to the next poor lady! The stinginess and staggering levels of entitlement are definitely hallmark behaviour of a lot of people from those circles. I once dated a guy who came from a fairly well-off background and he once had the cheek to ask me on a day out in Brighton if I'd willing to pay his parking fine if he ended up getting one (despite being parked outside his second home, fml)!!

As for India, yes, I feel really bad for her. She's clearly a very emotionally vulnerable person and I think the MiC producers bringing her on there and showing her up like that was hugely exploitative. Having very much been in her shoes with another guy, I can definitely vouch for the fact it always boils down to low self-esteem. Now I'm seeing someone who actually behaves like a man and treats me with the utmost levels of respect. It'll all change once she dates someone decent and she'll realise what a lucky escape she had.


Alas, you can't find his life coaching service on Google reviews. It's actually near-impossible to find any reference to his business online. He doesn't even have a website, which is extremely odd. I do wonder if this complete lack of transparency is a very considered move on his part...The only way you to gain more information about his life coaching service is by contacting him directly via Instagram DM. It's all very cagey, and believe you me, I will keep exploring my options on the review/complaint front.



Wow, your grasp of knowledge is quite impressiveHow do you know most of this? Are you a journo? You've definitely got the investigative skills to be one (that's a compliment by the way haha). I'm more Chelsea than any of this lot, as I was born and bred over the bridge from there. Alas, I don't hail from similar privilege though

it’s definitely very suspect that he doesn’t have a website, and I think you’re spot on the money - no business presence means no bad reviews, no accountability and he can act how he wants with zero repercussions.

The business is listed on companies house complete with correspondence address

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/14242066/officers

if you wanted to create a google buisness to correspond to the information that’s on companies house, I don’t think there’s anything prohibiting anyone from doing that, and it would come up on google search for people to leave reviews.

 

[Musings30]

So how did you originally book him for his services and make contact?

Back when he came across as a decent person with a modicum of integrity, he did weekly Instagram lives, during which he'd promote his new life coaching service (this was months and months ago, before he even brought it up on MiC). During one of his lives he told people to get in touch with him via DM if they were interested in finding out more.

it’s definitely very suspect that he doesn’t have a website, and I think you’re spot on the money - no business presence means no bad reviews, no accountability and he can act how he wants with zero repercussions.

The business is listed on companies house complete with correspondence address

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/14242066/officers

if you wanted to create a google buisness to correspond to the information that’s on companies house, I don’t think there’s anything prohibiting anyone from doing that, and it would come up on google search for people to leave reviews.

A thousand per cent! Something just doesn't sit right. Minimal online presence = no/very little opportunity to publicly hold him to account. I've consulted various professionals - including life coaches - about this issue and, aside from being completely disgusted by his behaviour, one advised me to contact the Trading Standards office, but I don't think this route would be very applicable in this scenario. Thanks for your suggestion re a Google business account. That's an interesting approach. I'll do my research and see