Louise McSharry Moaning Michael her brows are a fright, views so left, she's always right

[Lolatimes]

But also only people ever on her show who share her opinions and agree with her narrative on life. I just find it surprising after she has had cancer that she wouldnt eat better and just want to be healthy. Instead any mention - anywhere - nationally or internationally of getting fit / loosing weight / toning up is an immediate offense to her and at slur at fat people. She does a huge amount of thin shaming to be honest.

Yeah I never understood that. Surely the normal responsive is to take care of yourself after something like that.

Her response was to say that she'd never feel any shame again for not taking care of her body. I just don't get it. Is it just delusion?

 

[CoffeeSugarMilk]

OK... here i go...

I am plus sized. Size 16-18, 15 stone, 5' 3"
Whatever

The whole premise of body positivity is loving and respecting your body, which I'm not 100% convinced she does. (I don't 100% either)

My problem with Louise is that she shames anyone who has a different view of BP than her. BP, to me, isn't a one size fits all (excuse the pun ) approach BUT a major premise of the BP movement is to LOOK AFTER YOUR BODY. Complaining about walking 5 mins down the road isn't very BP.

Also, slim people CAN be BP also, just because they're so-called "straight sizes", doesn't mean they're not allowed be in the BP "club".

TLDR: she needs to back the duck up, get off social media, go for a walk, clear her head, maybe shag her husband and think about why she's so perpetually offended by everything. Also, probably therapy.

 

[SkylarWhite]

I think if you listen to various voices on BP it was started, very specifically, by fat black women and has been co-opted, as all things are, to ring the most amount of money out of it by it now not being specifically about a maligned, under represented group of people (women).

I have struggled to get this theory all lined up, because we all know that women, no matter what size,struggle with their bodies and yes, why shouldn’t we all be allowed to be body positive? But seems to me and my reading, it’s the co-opting of that movement, the taking away from a group already constantly dismissed that is problematic - those with thin privilege, irrespective of how they feel about themselves are outwardly acceptable to society, and now they are pinching rolls they have to contort themselves to find, which weakens the origin for those who were fighting for fairness, respect and visibility for bodies very much not outwardly acceptable to society.

Those who have the privilege of waltzing into a shop and likely finding something great on the rack that will fit (that’s all straight sized means) just aren’t experiencing the same situations as those outside of that bracket and so it just isn’t the same campaign. Body confidence, as Fuller Figure Fuller Bust now uses, might be the catch all term we’re looking for. All of us need to be flicking the v to the repugnant “beach body” messaging we’re awash with but not assuming same experiences within that.

There is a self care (self love whatever) element within that but my understanding of BP is that exercising isn’t a necessity and that strength over weight loss is a better focus.

(Edit : I find this topic so interesting, I’m not here arguing with anyone, it’s great to find a space for a discussion. I have learnt a lot over a good few years of listening and learning. I think we all have some internalised fat misogyny tbh and it likely would benefit all women if we looked at it, worked on it and supported each other. This is just about body acceptance for me, LM’s perceived moanyness just slightly makes me laugh. She is pretty dour I’ll not dispute that) x

 

[AmmaH]

The Sindo

 

[SkylarWhite]

I read this pretty pertinent thing this afternoon, in relation I think to where BoPo presently is “I don’t want to feel obliged to love my body without question, I don’t want to feel obliged to shape it to fashion.”

I would like to credit the author but she referred to being discussed in the “darker corners of the web” the other day and I wondered if that were here and, nah. Book just published this week.

 

[CoffeeSugarMilk]

Sorry hun, do you not work for RTE?

 

[BobRob]

The advert for Always night time pads a few months ago tipped me over the edge. Apparently a 30 something mother of 2 kids didn’t know they were a thing. My guess is she did and had been told to talk absolute shite on her Instagram in exchange for payment.

 

[We were on a break]

Sorry hun, do you not work for RTE?

And her husband doesn’t he make a lot of programming for RTÉ too? Their are so many many people who are a lot worse off. Poor Louise

 

[MissHavisham]

Are RTE salaries a matter of public record? Should be if they aren't. Any idea what she earns for her radio show?

Childcare fees in Ireland are horrific though. And lots of women forced to exit the workforce because of it. So many other countries manage state subsidised childcare. Ireland has no excuse.

 

[Thump]

Sorry hun, do you not work for RTE?

Is it not enough that we supplement her wages with the licence fee while paying our own crèche fees too?

 

[Idontevengohere]

Are RTE salaries a matter of public record? Should be if they aren't. Any idea what she earns for her radio show?

Childcare fees in Ireland are horrific though. And lots of women forced to exit the workforce because of it. So many other countries manage state subsidised childcare. Ireland has no excuse.

Not to mention the (largely) female workforce who are on less than the living wage, propping up a failing disgrace of a system.

 

[AnnaBananaPie]

How are her kids in creche??

Crèches are only for essential workers?

She works 2 weekend mornings in the radio? Or am I wrong?

 

[MissHavisham]

Not to mention the (largely) female workforce who are on less than the living wage, propping up a failing disgrace of a system.

Good point. Women losing out all round!

 

[Thump]

Childcare fees in Ireland are horrific though. And lots of women forced to exit the workforce because of it. So many other countries manage state subsidised childcare. Ireland has no excuse.

There are subsidies available for low income families towards crèche fees and there is the ECCE scheme which again reduces fees for those years.

I actually don’t agree with taxpayers having to supplement it further, the burden for these governments subsidies rests on the shoulders of working middle income families who are tying to manage their own crèche fees, mortgage etc. who invariably don’t qualify for virtually any of the supports they are funding.

Full crèche fees only actually apply for 1-2 years before the ECCE kicks in and that’s bring them up to school age. It’s not an unexpected expense and once that needs to be factored in when planning a family. Our own crèche fees are expensive so it affects me personally but I still don’t think the responsibility lies with anyone to fund the care of my child.

Also Louise crying the poor mouth we see how much you spend on shite, pink Christmas trees and more make up palettes for example

 

[MissHavisham]

There are subsidies available for low income families towards crèche fees and there is the ECCE scheme which again reduces fees for those years.

I actually don’t agree with taxpayers having to supplement it further, the burden for these governments subsidies rests on the shoulders of working middle income families who are tying to manage their own crèche fees, mortgage etc. who invariably don’t qualify for virtually any of the supports they are funding.

Full crèche fees only actually apply for 1-2 years before the ECCE kicks in and that’s bring them up to school age. It’s not an unexpected expense and once that needs to be factored in when planning a family. Our own crèche fees are expensive so it affects me personally but I still don’t think the responsibility lies with anyone to fund the care of my child.

Also Louise crying the poor mouth we see how much you spend on shite, pink Christmas trees and more make up palettes for example

it's amazing that most other European countries manage a system where childcare costs are way cheaper and people also have a higher standard of living.

But FF and FG will be nodding along approvingly with you.

 

[Mooordgirl]

There are subsidies available for low income families towards crèche fees and there is the ECCE scheme which again reduces fees for those years.

I actually don’t agree with taxpayers having to supplement it further, the burden for these governments subsidies rests on the shoulders of working middle income families who are tying to manage their own crèche fees, mortgage etc. who invariably don’t qualify for virtually any of the supports they are funding.

Full crèche fees only actually apply for 1-2 years before the ECCE kicks in and that’s bring them up to school age. It’s not an unexpected expense and once that needs to be factored in when planning a family. Our own crèche fees are expensive so it affects me personally but I still don’t think the responsibility lies with anyone to fund the care of my child.

Also Louise crying the poor mouth we see how much you spend on shite, pink Christmas trees and more make up palettes for example

Agreed with this. Children can be expensive but that should be part of your family planning. 'Can we actually afford a child? How much is childcare in my area?' and so on
They also have free doctors up to age 6 i think. There is a lot of help there already.
Another point i always make is that of course they are expensive, creche workers are minding,nurturing and teaching the thing most precious to you - obviosly that is gonna cost money. I feel like people think it should cost feck all

 

[Thump]

it's amazing that most other European countries manage a system where childcare costs are way cheaper and people also have a higher standard of living.

But FF and FG will be nodding along approvingly with you.

They don’t “manage”, they pay even higher rates of taxes there to fund it. Our household pays an eye watering amount of tax as it is so I don’t fancy paying even more to fund free childcare for all. As already mentioned there are existing subsidies there already for low income families.

How are her kids in creche??

Crèches are only for essential workers?

She works 2 weekend mornings in the radio? Or am I wrong?

Also her eldest is 4 so he is in the ECCE scheme at this stage. If she doesn’t want to pay full fees why send them in full time? She doesn’t appear to be working full time (unless 4 hours a week is full time by RTE standards).

 

[MissHavisham]

They don’t “manage”, they pay even higher rates of taxes there to fund it. Our household pays an eye watering amount of tax as it is so I don’t fancy paying even more to fund free childcare for all. As already mentioned there are existing subsidies there already for low income families.

Yes, that's right. People pay higher taxes and they 'manage' to have a more equitable and happier society. But don't worry, I can't see any great change happening in Ireland any time soon. So luckily you get to continue to tut at people who didn't have the great foresight to develop careers that could absorb such costs without wincing.

Agreed with this. Children can be expensive but that should be part of your family planning. 'Can we actually afford a child? How much is childcare in my area?' and so on
They also have free doctors up to age 6 i think. There is a lot of help there already.
Another point i always make is that of course they are expensive, creche workers are minding,nurturing and teaching the thing most precious to you - obviosly that is gonna cost money. I feel like people think it should cost feck all

Surely by your logic all schools, primary and secondary, should cost the same as creches. Are they not minding, nurturing, and teaching the thing most precious to you?

 

[Pollyannah]

I think it’s about choices too, and making the right ones for your family. If she’s working part timer and makes a choice to send her kids to crèche full time then that’s her choice, I’m not sure why anyone else should be supplementing that. our choice was for me to finish work and stay at home. In turn we adjusted our life to fit that. I don’t see why my husband should be supplementing other families decisions, particularly the likes of LmcS.

 

[Mooordgirl]

Yes, that's right. People pay higher taxes and they 'manage' to have a more equitable and happier society. But don't worry, I can't see any great change happening in Ireland any time soon. So luckily you get to continue to tut at people who didn't have the great foresight to develop careers that could absorb such costs without wincing.



Surely by your logic all schools, primary and secondary, should cost the same as creches. Are they not minding, nurturing, and teaching the thing most precious to you?

Teachers are there to teach, not mind, as has been highlighted by teachers a lot over the last few months.

A lot of parents do think of them as child minding services though it seems