Louise McSharry Moaning Michael her brows are a fright, views so left, she's always right

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Mooordgirl said:
Teachers are there to teach, not mind, as has been highlighted by teachers a lot over the last few months.

A lot of parents do think of them as child minding services though it seems
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Okay scratch the 'minding' then. But I'm sure you'll agree they nurture and teach your kids. So you should be required to pay school fees equal to two thirds the cost of creche costs.
 
MissHavisham said:
Yes, that's right. People pay higher taxes and they 'manage' to have a more equitable and happier society. But don't worry, I can't see any great change happening in Ireland any time soon. So luckily you get to continue to tut at people who didn't have the great foresight to develop careers that could absorb such costs without wincing.



Surely by your logic all schools, primary and secondary, should cost the same as creches. Are they not minding, nurturing, and teaching the thing most precious to you?
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Schools are educational institutions. Education is the great leveller and are rightfully publicly funded. Crèches are also publicly funded.

Luck has feck all to do with my situation. Hard work, 5 years of college, 3 years post graduate experience on extremely poor salary and more exams than I could count. But yeah I’m just lucky.

I can assure you I ‘winch’ every time I see how much tax I pay. I also winch when my child goes off to crèche in the morning and I don’t see her again until she comes home at five. But I chose to have her and now I must work to provide for her. I also winch that I can’t keep her at home during this pandemic and keep her out of potential harms way in crèche but my job is open and therefore I have to work. I can’t do that with a 2 year old at home. In my opinion lucky are those who can keep them home safe in the knowledge they are not mixing with any other households. I guess lucky means different thing to different people.
 
MissHavisham said:
Okay scratch the 'minding' then. But I'm sure you'll agree they nurture and teach your kids. So you should be required to pay school fees equal to two thirds the cost of creche costs.
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Well schooling is covered by the govt isnt it? Im just not sure everyones taxes should increase so that people who make the choice to have kids dont have to bear the cost of having them.
 
Thump said:
There are subsidies available for low income families towards crèche fees and there is the ECCE scheme which again reduces fees for those years.

I actually don’t agree with taxpayers having to supplement it further, the burden for these governments subsidies rests on the shoulders of working middle income families who are tying to manage their own crèche fees, mortgage etc. who invariably don’t qualify for virtually any of the supports they are funding.

Full crèche fees only actually apply for 1-2 years before the ECCE kicks in and that’s bring them up to school age. It’s not an unexpected expense and once that needs to be factored in when planning a family. Our own crèche fees are expensive so it affects me personally but I still don’t think the responsibility lies with anyone to fund the care of my child.

Also Louise crying the poor mouth 🙄 we see how much you spend on shite, pink Christmas trees and more make up palettes for example
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I’m sorry, but I have to say, I disagree with your take on the crèche system. Crèche fees here are the highest in Europe and you don’t get much bang for your buck either. Paid maternity even from the state takes your baby up to 5months ( give or take ). Then you pay the equivalent of a large mortgage to have the pleasure of badly paying another woman to mind your baby, while you head back to work. It’s mostly misery.
ECCE is until 12.30pm and then you have pay more because no one finishes a job then.
The whole system is absolutely fucked.
I’m glad you can afford it, but it’s a huge ask for most people and it needs to be completely overhauled.
 
Idontevengohere said:
If you Google the economics of early years education or similar, you will find plenty of articles and research. X
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I fully believe quality creche is crucial .. its just having the state burden the cost i'm querying. Surely a parent should be researching creches and the qualifications the workers have too.

Anyways not a hill i'm willing to die on tonight! Back to Louise!
 
Watchwoman said:
I’m sorry, but I have to say, I disagree with your take on the crèche system. Crèche fees here are the highest in Europe and you don’t get much bang for your buck either. Paid maternity even from the state takes your baby up to 5months ( give or take ). Then you pay the equivalent of a large mortgage to have the pleasure of badly paying another woman to mind your baby, while you head back to work. It’s mostly misery.
ECCE is until 12.30pm and then you have pay more because no one finishes a job then.
The whole system is absolutely fucked.
I’m glad you can afford it, but it’s a huge ask for most people and it needs to be completely overhauled.
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That’s fine, we can disagree 🤷🏼‍♀️Everyone is entitled to their own opinion 👌🏻 There are other options besides crèche too I believe.
 
Lalaletmetellyou said:
She's s every bar of that little 15 year old ross who mouths off on people's live. Are they related? He's also mortally offended and they're identical!
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Is that 15 year old mermaid Jane was rowing with, what’s his insta? Funny enough trishas transformation shared a story of someone called Grace on her stories last and she was the image of Louise but with dark hair, could pass as her little sister.
 
I don't want to derail so after this I won't keep on, I promise. A few years ago the then minister for child and youth affairs Katherine zappone announced a plan to launch some stupid baby gift box to give an incentive to parents to have more children. We need children to be born to pay for the older generation in pensions etc. I don't pretend to know the ins and outs, or even fully understand the economics of it all, but if you say I don't want to pay taxes for this, then why pay tax for prisons, which I presume you never intend to use the services of or health system, if you intend not to get sick. If you are part of a society, like it or not, these things have to be paid for. I don't know, fees are insane, quality childcare costs, but I canvt understand why anyone would begrudge giving all children the best start. The ecce funding is woefully inadequate, 3 hrs a day and it is causing services to close due issues around unsustainability.
 
Conasatatu said:
Feck me, can't cope with your privilege! You're part of a society, not everyone has a choice, not everyone has the same means. We should all be in this together
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Lol my privilege 😂😂

I just think its alright that parents have to pay for their children to be cared for.

If you don't have the means to have kids, you shoukd reconsider having them

I dont have the means for many things, so i dont have them
 
SkylarWhite said:
It’s all gone a bit Make America Great Again ain’t it 😳 (i.e. individualism over collectivism). An age old fracture I guess.

Imagine if the world only had planned for children.
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Unfortunately you are still expected to contribute to some of the costs of raising your child even if it was an unplanned pregnancy. That’s all that is happening here. Low income = subsidised crèche fees. Not subsided? Then you are not deemed low income by whatever criteria the department is using. If you’re not low income, why would you not pay your own child’s childcare?

Anyway can we get back to Louise?

A show of hands please, who would like to subsidise Louise’s crèche fees?
 
How is she getting contributions if she’d not low income? ( Is that the accusation)?

I’m not in Ireland so no skin in the game here. Just curious. And I’m in the UK where child welfare is right up there thanks to our Lord and Saviour Marcus Rashford.
 
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