Jenny Apple

[TryingMyBest]

The whole business of not looking at the scans just seems very Tiffany-ish to me. It’s denial, I think. It’s not that difficult to understand a scan result especially with so much information online to reference. Tiffany always glossed over the scan results and posted vague, strange info supposedly given to her by her doctor which was always bizarrely positive. Then she would post enough crying videos to keep up the drama. It just all seems so familiar. At least the POG family do seem to share actual test results honestly and frankly.

True but the scans were only to determine if she gets into the clinical trial and only the oncologist can make that determination. Also, Jen and Kyle aren't the brightest bulbs in the chandelier so they best not be trying to interpret anything more complicated than a CBC and Dr Google is not often your friend.

 

[Miriam3]

True but the scans were only to determine if she gets into the clinical trial and only the oncologist can make that determination. Also, Jen and Kyle aren't the brightest bulbs in the chandelier so they best not be trying to interpret anything more complicated than a CBC and Dr Google is not often your friend.

A lot of people want to know about the brain mets, whether she gets into a trial or not, or maybe they’re hoping we’ve forgotten about those. But, you’re right, they probably should just have the doctor interpret the results.

 

[Make sense of it!]

This is from Jenny’s Insta:



My brain is still trying to comprehend what my eyes are seeing. I just don’t understand the attraction.

Edited to add: This is an older post, obviously.
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Here’s another picture I found of their typical vegan meals when eating out:



So tired of the comments about her “healthy” diet. It’s not healthy in any way. That meal is in one of her old videos. That’s not veggies.

Kyoooooapple
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The whole business of not looking at the scans just seems very Tiffany-ish to me. It’s denial, I think. It’s not that difficult to understand a scan result especially with so much information online to reference. Tiffany always glossed over the scan results and posted vague, strange info supposedly given to her by her doctor which was always bizarrely positive. Then she would post enough crying videos to keep up the drama. It just all seems so familiar. At least the POG family do seem to share actual test results honestly and frankly.

Also given they now have previous scans for comparison which would be noted on her current report.
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True but the scans were only to determine if she gets into the clinical trial and only the oncologist can make that determination. Also, Jen and Kyle aren't the brightest bulbs in the chandelier so they best not be trying to interpret anything more complicated than a CBC and Dr Google is not often your friend.

To be fair on them, l wait for my specialist interpretation if things are better/worse/stable because even though you report does cross reference previous scans it doesn't always give the patient the bigger picture, these results are best discussed and compared at MDT meetings.

 

[Turaj]

Kyoooooapple
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Also given they now have previous scans for comparison which would be noted on her current report.
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To be fair on them, l wait for my specialist interpretation if things are better/worse/stable because even though you report does cross reference previous scans it doesn't always give the patient the bigger picture, these results are best discussed and compared at MDT meetings.

not reading your online results is not "denial".I don't look at those and prefer to let my doctor's interpret and discuss with me.Reading them can often result in unneeded stress. Each of us is different.

 

[Miriam3]

not reading your online results is not "denial".I don't look at those and prefer to let my doctor's interpret and discuss with me.Reading them can often result in unneeded stress. Each of us is different.

Of course, everyone is different and it’s not denial for everyone who doesn’t look at their scan results. I just think if Jenny has a doctor who doesn’t ever give bad news then she might prefer to get the result from him/her, for that reason. Seems like Jenny’s doctors are always overly positive, similar to Tiffany’s.

I prefer to look at all my medical results before appointments, research anything I don’t understand, then I’m prepared to ask more informed questions from the doctor.

To each their own, just wondering if a prognosis is actually being given to Jenny. Some doctors actually don’t do that, even good ones, especially with a patient who seems emotionally fragile. Sometimes I think Jenny was probably kept in the hospital longer to help transition her through the emotional difficulties of being sicker on a more permanent level. She does now seem in a much better place emotionally.

 

[Turaj]

Of course, everyone is different and it’s not denial for everyone who doesn’t look at their scan result. I just think if you have a doctor who doesn’t ever give bad news then some people might prefer to get the result from him/her. Seems like Jenny’s doctors are always overly positive, similar to Tiffany’s.

I prefer to look at all my medical results before appointments, research anything I don’t understand, then I’m prepared to ask more informed questions from the doctor.

To each their own, just wondering if a prognosis is actually being given. Some doctors actually don’t do that, even good ones, especially with a patient who seems emotionally fragile. Sometimes I think Jenny was probably kept in the hospital longer to help transition her through the emotional difficulties of being sicker on a more permanent level. She does now seem in a much better place emotionally.

My opinion is if you have a doctor that does not give bad news when results are in and they have all the facts...find another doctor. That is unethical. And we are hearing any conversations from the Dr. thru J and K not from the doctor.They are reporting what they want their viewers to hear...it may well not be the entire story or prognosis.

 

[Marchonegypt]

My opinion is if you have a doctor that does not give bad news when results are in and they have all the facts...find another doctor. That is unethical. And we are hearing any conversations from the Dr. thru J and K not from the doctor.They are reporting what they want their viewers to hear...it may well not be the entire story or prognosis.

We only ever hear what they want us to hear!

 

[TryingMyBest]

Of course, everyone is different and it’s not denial for everyone who doesn’t look at their scan results. I just think if Jenny has a doctor who doesn’t ever give bad news then she might prefer to get the result from him/her, for that reason. Seems like Jenny’s doctors are always overly positive, similar to Tiffany’s.

I prefer to look at all my medical results before appointments, research anything I don’t understand, then I’m prepared to ask more informed questions from the doctor.

To each their own, just wondering if a prognosis is actually being given to Jenny. Some doctors actually don’t do that, even good ones, especially with a patient who seems emotionally fragile. Sometimes I think Jenny was probably kept in the hospital longer to help transition her through the emotional difficulties of being sicker on a more permanent level. She does now seem in a much better place emotionally.

I actually also prefer to get my results as soon as possible but I've been in healthcare for a million years.

I actually found out about my breast cancer reading my report in the parking lot of Dunkin Donuts. It was also my birthday. When my doctor finally called me the next day I said are you calling to tell me about the breast cancer? She didn't like my cheerful attitude and tried to put me on tranquilizers because she said I had an inappropriate response to a bad situation. She was an idiot.

Seven years later my gastro called to tell me I had colon cancer on my birthday. I said I know I heard you talking after the colonoscopy to do the biopsies stat. I said thanks for calling I'm on my way to my birthday lunch. He was devastated. He kept saying I'm so sorry. I didn't know. I should have waited until Monday. I said it's fine. Don't be upset I found out last time on my birthday too. He said next birthday I hope you win the lottery. He wasn't an idiot.

 

[Daisychain4]

Some great discussion on this thread. What I do feel is 90% of you have a heart indeed.
I too hope that those 2 children have greater memories of Jenny when she was well, but sadly they are likely seeing mum in pain alot right now
I hope they aren't needing the income and its why he films Jenny high and in pain. When Jenny does pass away he won't bare to see those videos.

You are so right Saydee !
He won’t bare to see them indeed.
The most wonderful keepsakes will be the videos where they are enjoying life as a family and to remember what mum ‘really’ looked’ like, so as to compare the grandchildren one day and remember what mums voice sounded like.
We’re introducing a new generation of ‘kid’ giving them access to all these visual and audio memories. I sure hope comments and running commentary aren’t also archived. Heaven forbid what that will do to kids emotions as they navigate their lives … for me, it’s about the children!
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I actually also prefer to get my results as soon as possible but I've been in healthcare for a million years.

I actually found out about my breast cancer reading my report in the parking lot of Dunkin Donuts. It was also my birthday. When my doctor finally called me the next day I said are you calling to tell me about the breast cancer? She didn't like my cheerful attitude and tried to put me on tranquilizers because she said I had an inappropriate response to a bad situation. She was an idiot.

Seven years later my gastro called to tell me I had colon cancer on my birthday. I said I know I heard you talking after the colonoscopy to do the biopsies stat. I said thanks for calling I'm on my way to my birthday lunch. He was devastated. He kept saying I'm so sorry. I didn't know. I should have waited until Monday. I said it's fine. Don't be upset I found out last time on my birthday too. He said next birthday I hope you win the lottery. He wasn't an idiot.

I think your emotional stability sounds in a better place than the medicos who try to justify otherwise.
Who do they think they are… it’s not always true to assume the Dr is the God because we all know and see just what idiots they can be.

I sure hope you are doing ok

 

[oceanbaby]

but I found the experience quite surreal. Seeing adults screaming and chasing after people dressed up in a Mickey costume. Maybe thats just me though

Made me laugh. Disneyworld isn't my thing either, but it's nice they enjoy it so much. Escapist fun for some.

 

[Make sense of it!]

My opinion is if you have a doctor that does not give bad news when results are in and they have all the facts...find another doctor. That is unethical. And we are hearing any conversations from the Dr. thru J and K not from the doctor.They are reporting what they want their viewers to hear...it may well not be the entire story or prognosis.

Well said the most important take away "it may well not be the entire story". We only know what they show.
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We only ever hear what they want us to hear!

Yes!!! I think the keyboard health care professionals need to remember this.
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I actually also prefer to get my results as soon as possible but I've been in healthcare for a million years.

I actually found out about my breast cancer reading my report in the parking lot of Dunkin Donuts. It was also my birthday. When my doctor finally called me the next day I said are you calling to tell me about the breast cancer? She didn't like my cheerful attitude and tried to put me on tranquilizers because she said I had an inappropriate response to a bad situation. She was an idiot.

Seven years later my gastro called to tell me I had colon cancer on my birthday. I said I know I heard you talking after the colonoscopy to do the biopsies stat. I said thanks for calling I'm on my way to my birthday lunch. He was devastated. He kept saying I'm so sorry. I didn't know. I should have waited until Monday. I said it's fine. Don't be upset I found out last time on my birthday too. He said next birthday I hope you win the lottery. He wasn't an idiot.

I love your attitude. I've experienced the "inappropriate response" even suggested l was in denial, l wasn't in denial and they are the idiot

 

[TryingMyBest]

So keeping with I always get my test results and scrutinize the Hell out of them. I had a recent abdominal ultrasound and the report had 3 lines about the state of my gallbladder that was actually removed 7 years ago. I told them either fix the report or give me back the money I spent on the removal. I was actually hoping it grew back and I could get a side gig growing organs and donating them

Then my latest CT colon cancer showed a previous heart attack and severe blockage of my aortailiac arteries. I took it to my cardiologist and said this ain't right. She did a nuclear stress test, and echo cardiogram and a specialized abd ultrasound and nopers....no previous heart attack and no blockage.

The tests are often read by computer programs with canned responses. You can't trust anything not even test results. Don't even get me started about specimen handing at LabCorp!

 

[c.sabatier]

So keeping with I always get my test results and scrutinize the Hell out of them. I had a recent abdominal ultrasound and the report had 3 lines about the state of my gallbladder that was actually removed 7 years ago. I told them either fix the report or give me back the money I spent on the removal. I was actually hoping it grew back and I could get a side gig growing organs and donating them

Then my latest CT colon cancer showed a previous heart attack and severe blockage of my aortailiac arteries. I took it to my cardiologist and said this ain't right. She did a nuclear stress test, and echo cardiogram and a specialized abd ultrasound and nopers....no previous heart attack and no blockage.

The tests are often read by computer programs with canned responses. You can't trust anything not even test results. Don't even get me started about specimen handing at LabCorp!

Malpractice! I would try to sue for the FAKE and incorrect information, and the true and undue stress caused by that fake diagnosis.

 

[Saydee]

Most of the UK hospitals still don't offer patient portals which I personally think is both good and bad.

Good: if patients was able to access results and scan reports, it would give them time to digest and create a list of questions to take to the consultation.
Bad: Scan reports can cause a lot of anxiety and fear (which is understandable). Waiting for the consultation day could be a long difficult wait for very scared/anxious patients.
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So keeping with I always get my test results and scrutinize the Hell out of them. I had a recent abdominal ultrasound and the report had 3 lines about the state of my gallbladder that was actually removed 7 years ago. I told them either fix the report or give me back the money I spent on the removal. I was actually hoping it grew back and I could get a side gig growing organs and donating them

Then my latest CT colon cancer showed a previous heart attack and severe blockage of my aortailiac arteries. I took it to my cardiologist and said this ain't right. She did a nuclear stress test, and echo cardiogram and a specialized abd ultrasound and nopers....no previous heart attack and no blockage.

The tests are often read by computer programs with canned responses. You can't trust anything not even test results. Don't even get me started about specimen handing at LabCorp!

This sentence made me laugh " I was actually hoping it grew back and I could get a side gig growing organs and donating them"

The NHS often get backlogs with scan results. They used to use a company called Telemedicine LTD based in Barcelona. Whenever my husbands scan report got read by them, there was always mistakes made.
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Well said the most important take away "it may well not be the entire story". We only know what they show.
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Yes!!! I think the keyboard health care professionals need to remember this.
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I love your attitude. I've experienced the "inappropriate response" even suggested l was in denial, l wasn't in denial and they are the idiot

Hmmm I don't know you but I can read between the lines sometimes. I most certainly would never ever have you down as the type to be in denial. Especially with your experience. I think you are actually very pro active with your care.

 

[EllenDeGenerate]

Whilst my heart goes out to Jenny and her loved-ones, im really not 'down' with the idea of her putting her graphic struggles with terminal cancer online. WHY is she choosing to do this? Its intrusive , to her - AND to her family who no doubt have no option but to go along with it. Also, sadly her story is not unusual - most of us have/ had/lost/a loved one with/to cancer. I've actually stopped looking at her content. I've already witnessed this stuff when my own beautiful sister - no less precious or 'important ' than Jenny, fought a 4 year Trojan battle with cancer and died a horrible death . She left two kiddies and a husband behind. My sister was humble in her suffering and until her dying moments wanted to talk a out any topic other than her cancer. She was brave , beautiful.... remarkable. I think of her daily.

 

[Doherty557]

Whilst my heart goes out to Jenny and her loved-ones, im really not 'down' with the idea of her putting her graphic struggles with terminal cancer online. WHY is she choosing to do this? Its intrusive , to her - AND to her family who no doubt have no option but to go along with it. Also, sadly her story is not unusual - most of us have/ had/lost/a loved one with/to cancer. I've actually stopped looking at her content. I've already witnessed this stuff when my own beautiful sister - no less precious or 'important ' than Jenny, fought a 4 year Trojan battle with cancer and died a horrible death . She left two kiddies and a husband behind. My sister was humble in her suffering and until her dying moments wanted to talk a out any topic other than her cancer. She was brave , beautiful.... remarkable. I think of her daily.

I’m very much in two minds about this.

On the one hand, I think why should the truth of cancer be hidden? Why should someone have to hide their struggles? There are people out there that get a diagnosis and want to know exactly what it entails

On the other hand, I personally have had to stop watching as I’m triggered by the content now (I don’t really want to know what will happen to me at the end)

I think people have their own brains and can decide when they are triggered and should stop watching. If she wants to continue sharing then I imagine there are people who it’ll help.

I used to refuse to use the word cancer at first, I only told a selection of my friends. I still have people that only refer to it as my ‘illness’ and I think why did I feel the need to be secretive about it? Why do my friends still choke over the word?

I can’t remember who it was that said it, possibly saydee, but there are diseases just as bad, if not worse, than cancer, but people seem to talk about those conditions so much more freely

 

[Marchonegypt]

Whilst my heart goes out to Jenny and her loved-ones, im really not 'down' with the idea of her putting her graphic struggles with terminal cancer online. WHY is she choosing to do this? Its intrusive , to her - AND to her family who no doubt have no option but to go along with it. Also, sadly her story is not unusual - most of us have/ had/lost/a loved one with/to cancer. I've actually stopped looking at her content. I've already witnessed this stuff when my own beautiful sister - no less precious or 'important ' than Jenny, fought a 4 year Trojan battle with cancer and died a horrible death . She left two kiddies and a husband behind. My sister was humble in her suffering and until her dying moments wanted to talk a out any topic other than her cancer. She was brave , beautiful.... remarkable. I think of her daily.

I'm so sorry for your loss. I can't really understand vlogging. It makes you wallow in you situation rather than living your life to the full while you still have it.

 

[BCrowl]

Whilst my heart goes out to Jenny and her loved-ones, im really not 'down' with the idea of her putting her graphic struggles with terminal cancer online. WHY is she choosing to do this? Its intrusive , to her - AND to her family who no doubt have no option but to go along with it. Also, sadly her story is not unusual - most of us have/ had/lost/a loved one with/to cancer. I've actually stopped looking at her content. I've already witnessed this stuff when my own beautiful sister - no less precious or 'important ' than Jenny, fought a 4 year Trojan battle with cancer and died a horrible death . She left two kiddies and a husband behind. My sister was humble in her suffering and until her dying moments wanted to talk a out any topic other than her cancer. She was brave , beautiful.... remarkable. I think of her daily.

I am so sorry to hear about your beloved sister. Love and hugs to you. I lost my beloved Dad in 2019 due to brain cancer. He had never been sick a day in his life. It was harrowing to watch him decline. He became bedridden and unable to even speak. I can’t imagine filming that, and my Dad would have hated it, as he didn’t like people seeing him ill. My deepest condolences to you

 

[EllenDeGenerate]

I am so sorry to hear about your beloved sister. Love and hugs to you. I lost my beloved Dad in 2019 due to brain cancer. He had never been sick a day in his life. It was harrowing to watch him decline. He became bedridden and unable to even speak. I can’t imagine filming that, and my Dad would have hated it, as he didn’t like people seeing him ill. My deepest condolences to you ❤

And my sympathies to you. Its awful seeing a loved-one decline and feeling powerless to help. At least we have lots of happy memories of the good times to soothe us, right? Xx

 

[Marchonegypt]

And my sympathies to you. Its awful seeing a loved-one decline and feeling powerless to help. At least we have lots of happy memories of the good times to soothe us, right? Xx

Jenny's children won't! They'll have those awful vlogs to remember her by?! Anyone who has lost someone to cancer (or any disease) knows every moment is etched in your memory you don't need something to remind you. They need happy videos.
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I am so sorry to hear about your beloved sister. Love and hugs to you. I lost my beloved Dad in 2019 due to brain cancer. He had never been sick a day in his life. It was harrowing to watch him decline. He became bedridden and unable to even speak. I can’t imagine filming that, and my Dad would have hated it, as he didn’t like people seeing him ill. My deepest condolences to you

You wouldn't have wanted to watch it either I imagine?