Jenny Apple #4 Tears & Ears!

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Just like TT, I don’t believe much of what Kyle tells us. Maybe he is being more positive and loose with the truth bc Jenny still watches the vlog and he didn’t want her to be scared or despondent? Maybe he just bends the truth bc he was getting very negative comments? We won’t really know. Lots of things clinically do not add up as many have said. I think Jenny is trying to run interference for Kyle by telling the supporters that Kyle has her blessings to write a book, stay at home, create online content, get re married and take care of the kids. Its likely the plan they have agreed to. She doesn’t want him to be criticized for it after she passes. Why they think many will still be interested in him after a while is beyond me. His personality is dull and boring. That is being generous too. I wish Jenny a peaceful transition though. She fought hard and bravely. No one should have to endure this dreadful disease. 💔
 
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Just like TT, I don’t believe much of what Kyle tells us. Maybe he is being more positive and loose with the truth bc Jenny still watches the vlog and he didn’t want her to be scared or despondent? Maybe he just bends the truth bc he was getting very negative comments? We won’t really know. Lots of things clinically do not add up as many have said. I think Jenny is trying to run interference for Kyle by telling the supporters that Kyle has her blessings to write a book, stay at home, create online content, get re married and take care of the kids. Its likely the plan they have agreed to. She doesn’t want him to be criticized for it after she passes. Why they think many will still be interested in him after a while is beyond me. His personality is dull and boring. That is being generous too. I wish Jenny a peaceful transition though. She fought hard and bravely. No one should have to endure this dreadful disease. 💔
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She might be weird and childlike but she did do her best to stay on this earth for those kids. May she pass to the next realm in peace hearing the angels sing.
 
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I agree with others that some things don't add up ..for example Jenny came in wearing 400 mg of pain patches instead of the prescribed 300 mg. At this point wouldn't her Palliative Care RN have been making home visits and therefore would have noticed the wrong dosage being given? And this week the pulmonary specialist was going to remove the Pleurx drain and hey!!! Jenny would be then able to go into the ocean says Kyle. (??) Also, at that last clinical trial visit didn't anyone listen to her lungs and determine that there were no breath sounds in that left lung that is socked in with tumor? Yet Jenny was deemed well enough to finish Cycle 1 of the clinical trial drug.

I hope she's been given the appropriate meds by now and she is able to sleep and feel at peace.
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None of this sad story makes sense. The whole dragging her around for nonsense
Trial drugs and then announcing she is "dying" live? Unless the whole thing has been mis represented COH should have questions to answer.
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PW212 said:
Just like TT, I don’t believe much of what Kyle tells us. Maybe he is being more positive and loose with the truth bc Jenny still watches the vlog and he didn’t want her to be scared or despondent? Maybe he just bends the truth bc he was getting very negative comments? We won’t really know. Lots of things clinically do not add up as many have said. I think Jenny is trying to run interference for Kyle by telling the supporters that Kyle has her blessings to write a book, stay at home, create online content, get re married and take care of the kids. Its likely the plan they have agreed to. She doesn’t want him to be criticized for it after she passes. Why they think many will still be interested in him after a while is beyond me. His personality is dull and boring. That is being generous too. I wish Jenny a peaceful transition though. She fought hard and bravely. No one should have to endure this dreadful disease. 💔
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That is the whole thing about the "cancer" related money machine that is You Tube income generator. It is the forum that allows it. And I guess we all feed in by watching, and put up with the ads and the heartbreak because those of us that are invested actually care because of personal experience.
 
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Dying Live on YouTube. What has the world come to.... it's just sickening.
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Sadly her subscriber # went up roughly by 4k and the go fund me has a fresh new wave of donations almost $700 or $800. These new subs are only interested in the drama of watching her pass.

Also Mel posted this about 20 mins ago on her IG stories. I'm so glad she was able to make it to Jenny
 

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Why would Ellis and Winnie need a daycare provider? The advantage of being a teacher is that you have the same vacation days as your children. Most schools have after school care and then he can pick them up when he's done for the day. They'll all be off during the summer and during school breaks.

Public records: his salary last school year was $102,000 plus benefits worth $39,000. I highly doubt he could make that much money plus have to pay for health insurance etc without being a teacher. I would imagine he could return to work after Christmas.
 
It's fascinating how we can read or listen to the same info, yet come away with very different perspectives.

They've only just been given the terrible news, so, in that respect, were processing it in real time on camera. Jenny hadn't had a chance to cycle through the stages of death and dying. I see them having gone from receiving hopeful news at their last trial appointment, news better than they were stealing themselves for by Kyle's own words, to reeling with the worst possible news now. Kyle was tearful, Jenny was shocked and trying to figure out how to deal with precious last days.

I see Jenny trying to grasp at how to spend this time. She's asked for feedback as she has no idea what to do with this time of active dying. Is she to just sit around waiting to die? No, she's asked her viewers for ideas what she might want to do.

That seems reasonable to me.

I didn't find the Lives vile in any way or inappropriate to film. I found her to be lucid and very candid as she processes this news and struggles with it. I found her to be honest as her mind goes to messages and matters she thinks are important to discuss in what may be her last words. It's understandable that it isn't making absolute sense, but I can see how she is trying her best to touch on important matters.

I thought she meant how Kyle could now spend this year he's taken a leave from teaching, not the rest of his life being a youtuber. She's thinking he suddenly will not be looking after her during this year off teaching.

I can see her wanting to impress upon him that it's okay for him to find love again in the future.

I am not getting any sense of financial manipulation in the Lives. They have not mentioned or suggested people donate. Honestly, Jenny is quite direct, I don't give them credit to be using tricks and schemes to increase donations. Besides the ebike that she was honest enough to do as a separate video, she hasn't tried to subtlely stick affiliated links or ads into her videos.

I actually found her "I am dying" to be very characteristic of her signature blunt personality that we've seen so often. I found it refreshing as an indicator that she is competent as she clearly is trying to absorb the news and figure out how to spend her last days.

I am not sure, but the very different news could be attributed to different facilities or one being trial staff versus emergency room staff. In a trial, they are likely evaluating different health measures and filling in answers to a questionnaire they ask everyone. They already knew her prognosis, it's just different health outcomes being evaluated. I think this is a couple weeks difference which can certainly make a world of difference in a 3-6 month prognosis. Kyle seemed relieved the last appointment not to have received the news they are now hearing. I didn't find that inconsistent when dealing with such a shortened prognosis anyway; her health changed and different testing revealed different things as her breathing deteriorated.

I found both of their reactions of having just heard such devastating news to be very genuine and honest. I didn't hear any manipulations born of financial motives. If they were there, they were not obvious to me.

I felt terrible that the kids were recorded. If the adults were in shock, the kids could scarcely understand what the news actually meant. I too worry Jenny will catch something from Winnie's cough.

I am glad Mel arrived. What a good, selfless friend. It speaks to the bond these women share.

My heart went out to Kyle. He can no longer shield Jenny or himself in his typical cloak of optimism, they are now beginning the process of acceptance. It was easy to push it aside during the trial, but they can no longer escape the hard truth.

That's what I saw Jenny doing as she flailed from one topic to the next. I think Jenny's blunt honesty will help Kyle accept this reality too. They have a tightknit support group, I hope Jenny's sister and friend can help in this very difficult transition to acceptance.

A sad time for them. At least she wasn't being propped up half asleep being told to wave and shimmy.
 
suzeq said:
It's fascinating how we can read or listen to the same info, yet come away with very different perspectives.

They've only just been given the terrible news, so, in that respect, were processing it in real time on camera. Jenny hadn't had a chance to cycle through the stages of death and dying. I see them having gone from receiving hopeful news at their last trial appointment, news better than they were stealing themselves for by Kyle's own words, to reeling with the worst possible news now. Kyle was tearful, Jenny was shocked and trying to figure out how to deal with precious last days.

I see Jenny trying to grasp at how to spend this time. She's asked for feedback as she has no idea what to do with this time of active dying. Is she to just sit around waiting to die? No, she's asked her viewers for ideas what she might want to do.

That seems reasonable to me.

I didn't find the Lives vile in any way or inappropriate to film. I found her to be lucid and very candid as she processes this news and struggles with it. I found her to be honest as her mind goes to messages and matters she thinks are important to discuss in what may be her last words. It's understandable that it isn't making absolute sense, but I can see how she is trying her best to touch on important matters.

I thought she meant how Kyle could now spend this year he's taken a leave from teaching, not the rest of his life being a youtuber. She's thinking he suddenly will not be looking after her during this year off teaching.

I can see her wanting to impress upon him that it's okay for him to find love again in the future.

I am not getting any sense of financial manipulation in the Lives. They have not mentioned or suggested people donate. Honestly, Jenny is quite direct, I don't give them credit to be using tricks and schemes to increase donations. Besides the ebike that she was honest enough to do as a separate video, she hasn't tried to subtlely stick affiliated links or ads into her videos.

I actually found her "I am dying" to be very characteristic of her signature blunt personality that we've seen so often. I found it refreshing as an indicator that she is competent as she clearly is trying to absorb the news and figure out how to spend her last days.

I am not sure, but the very different news could be attributed to different facilities or one being trial staff versus emergency room staff. In a trial, they are likely evaluating different health measures and filling in answers to a questionnaire they ask everyone. They already knew her prognosis, it's just different health outcomes being evaluated. I think this is a couple weeks difference which can certainly make a world of difference in a 3-6 month prognosis. Kyle seemed relieved the last appointment not to have received the news they are now hearing. I didn't find that inconsistent when dealing with such a shortened prognosis anyway; her health changed and different testing revealed different things as her breathing deteriorated.

I found both of their reactions of having just heard such devastating news to be very genuine and honest. I didn't hear any manipulations born of financial motives. If they were there, they were not obvious to me.

I felt terrible that the kids were recorded. If the adults were in shock, the kids could scarcely understand what the news actually meant. I too worry Jenny will catch something from Winnie's cough.

I am glad Mel arrived. What a good, selfless friend. It speaks to the bond these women share.

My heart went out to Kyle. He can no longer shield Jenny or himself in his typical cloak of optimism, they are now beginning the process of acceptance. It was easy to push it aside during the trial, but they can no longer escape the hard truth.

That's what I saw Jenny doing as she flailed from one topic to the next. I think Jenny's blunt honesty will help Kyle accept this reality too. They have a tightknit support group, I hope Jenny's sister and friend can help in this very difficult transition to acceptance.

A sad time for them. At least she wasn't being propped up half asleep being told to wave and shimmy.
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I agree it is very sad but I still see no reason to be live broadcasting your impending death to thousands of strangers. I see no educational benefit and certainly no reason to video it for her children that are living thru it to watch in the future.

I thought Kyle said her usual oncologist came in to tell him the prognosis. Even though she is in a clinical trial her "team" knew the results of any testing done so the inconsistencies are still rather odd but then it could just be Kyle not being total honest about some things. Jenny seemed to be out of it most of the time and evidently she might have been over medicated.

Her poor friend Mel is certainly racking up the frequent flyer miles. Jenny is very lucky to have such a devoted friend.

I would have hoped that even though Jenny didn't know she would be dying so soon that she and Kyle had come to some acceptance that she wasn't going to make it much longer. I hope CoH didn't give her false hope like her viewers that kept telling her a miracle was coming soon.
 
I'm not so sure if it's been "false hope". I think when you're in the midst of it, it's a very different perspective than hindsight or our armchair, more objective position.

During the busyness of trial demands, it's easier to put off the important conversations and be stuck in a process.

I got the impression he'd been expecting to have a hard conversation at the last appointment and was relieved to be continuing the trial at all. I always try to look on the bright side, I see this trait in Kyle too. I also have made inappropriate quips when under duress so I "get" Jenny's sarcastic remark about her Mario mustache/oxygen cannula.

I guess now, having been exposed to very graphic death scenes in this genre by others, I did not find this aspect of honest portrayal of Jenny's position macabre or twisted. I think there was a lesson in it for her viewers: don't put off to the last minute the important conversations or rush what you wish you'd taken time to process and conclude in your life. Also, it's good to take stock now and then and not be swept along.

I might feel differently if Kyle is filming Jenny take her last breath. But, for me, this was a very real, lucid portrayal as she processed the news. I did not find it exploitative at all, I felt it was helping Jenny as well as she was working it out in real time.
 
It's hard for me to understand that, after receiving such devastating news, Kyle said they didn't know what to do so they went on YT live. I guess recording and talking to viewers has become such an integral part of their daily lives, that it didn't seem odd to do that. "What do we do now? Let's ask the viewers."

People suggested writing cards for the future, record a message to the kids, record her heartbeat with build-a-bear. I truly hope she was able to do some of those things already. Kyle said that many viewers sent them kits for hand sculptures and it sounded like they will have to hurry up and do them now.

I really don't want to pass judgement because I have no idea how I would react if faced with a terminal illness. I just hope that the children can experience a peaceful time because it's going to be so hard on them. I might be wrong but I think it's best for them that she not die at home.
 
Turaj said:
So open a day care in lieu of returning to his job as Special Ed. Teacher. That might be convenient but I wonder if that is really the best thing for him long term?
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I heard them discussing catastrophic family leave, which he’s on now, and having him reapply based on the need to be home for Winnie. Probably he’s getting paid something while on leave and Jenny wants that to continue. Kyle kept looking at the camera in a strange way during that conversation, which seemed to be between Jenny and her sister. I think this conversation took place with camera rolling to give viewers the idea that they need financial support to continue to have Kyle at home.

It’s hard to believe that during someone’s final hours/days on earth, their thoughts are to video everything and send specific messages to viewers (Kyle can fall in love and remarry) instead of spending that time reassuring children who were so distraught and being ignored to the point that they were dangerously leaning against the window glass. Even Ashley was sitting there on her phone while this was happening. That’s why small children shouldn’t even be allowed in the hospital because often no one is caring for them.

Jenny’s literally taking her last breaths and she’s getting comfort from strangers on the internet. What does that say about Kyle?

Her dad isn’t in videos much so maybe he’s asked not to be shown as he’s caught on to Kyle’s grift. He probably knows all of this money is going to fund Kyle’s future dating etc. too.

Ashley and Tracie seem to be supportive of Kyle the same way the idiots are who never see that it was the husband who did it. It’s not unsurprising from Ashley, looking at her own husband.

Also, there’s no way CoH didn’t know about the left lung, therefore no way Kyle and Jenny didn’t know about it. It did not grow overnight. She’s been without treatment for her lungs for months (except for the trial which has been worthless). She was probably denied the other trial that she was supposed to start due to extensive tumor growth. Viewers were not told about the huge tumor because Kyle can’t handle the least criticism re her treatments. He has to be seen as a hero and a martyr.

The grift and the money grab continue.
 
I don't get why people seem to think that Blobby is this evil mastermind behind everything, when it's always been Jenny who wanted to record literally every aspect of her medical saga and straight up told Blobby on camera that she wanted him to keep filming until the end. She's narcissistic and has an addiction to YouTubing.

I guess people love her because she's real. She's got no boundaries, no filters... and a questionable sense of humour. 🤦🏼 She's obviously never been camera-shy and doesn't have any problem looking less than perfect. The live video yesterday was a complete mess, but it was so Jenny. As high as a kyte, but still herself.

Blobby actually looked pretty desperate and just wanted to help, and I don't think the live stream was his idea, let alone done for views and donations.
I can imagine why none of us would want to do something like that, but these kinds of people exist and that's just how it is. I think the money is just a bonus for people like that, it's really the attention that feeds their addiction.Tiffany for example is addicted to being on YouTube as well, the money is just a plus, her addiction comes first.

This type of people, who just love to be watched no matter what, are really fascinating. I can't relate to it but I can definitely understand that it's a thing. If you've ever watched reality TV shows, you know what I mean, some people will do literally anything for attention. I think the good thing about these people is that other people can watch and feel better about themselves, and the fact that they can relate to someone else's real-life unpretty, unfiltered, raw and real tit is what makes it work.

Jenny wants a book written about her life, as if hundreds of hours of footage of her life just lying around were not enough. She is literally terrified at the idea of disappearing... she's actually hoping that she'll turn into an angel whose presence people can still perceive.
 
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