Ioan Gruffudd & Alice Evans #148 Malice and the 102 Ailments

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AstaLaVistaMista said:
There is no way that L&D have done a complete 360 so quickly without it being planned. To be so obsessed with support of Alice, hate of Ioan & B and hate of everyone that slightly questioned Alice. They sat there all this time seeing Alice's own contradicting tweets, joined in with the abuse and knew Ioan had made a big offer which Alice refused. They knew she was lying and still supported her 100%. As soon as the tide is changing for Alice and things don't look good, they do a complete 360 and fully support Ioan, let everyone know that Ioan & B have spoken to them and they are in contact, giving Alice a new defence of Ioan & B using her close friends to get info and troll her...Nope, they are still in the same contact with Alice, nothings changed in the background and as usual Alice gave them her little instructions...Good one
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Completely agree and we are seeing the results of it in A’s tweets. All planned and that’s why the other twitter lot should not engage with the FM’s in any of it, it’s giving Alice what she wants. All this ‘Ioan know’s we have been a victim of Alice’s abuse’ rubbish is just to give the impression and receipts that they are somehow in a dialogue with I or B. It’s their grand master plan from the smartest person on the planet IMO.
 
“Emotionally I was nowhere near ready to be in that courtroom”

It’s a lie cos that’s not why she didn’t attend, but this tweet makes her look pathetic. Does she think victims are emotionally ready to attend court and face their abusers? Does she think assault victims get to wait until they’ve had therapy and time to get to a place where they’re ‘ready to be in court’? No. They go because it’s important that justice is served. Alice has been so wrapped in cotton wool her entire life she actually thinks this is reasonable to say. She’s never had to do anything remotely uncomfortable in her life.
 
Autisteuse said:
Does anyone else get the sense that Lupenis took an Introduction to Postmodernism course and has been shoehorning in ‘truth is relative, truth is subjective, my truth is my truth’ wherever he can? It’s as though he read an ‘Idiot’s Guide to Derrida’ and ‘Baudrillard for Dummies’, misunderstood what they were about (particularly in reference to millenia-old social structures and archetypes) and then selected certain women to be his ‘perfect victim’.
This is one of the great problems of the current age, and indeed throughout history: stupid people who have half-understood a concept and use their public platform (very limited in Lupenis’s case) to hammer in every nail they perceive. Lupenis sees Malice’s ‘plight’ as part of the great misogynist plan to demerit women everywhere. In so doing, he’s quite happy to argue that black is white - just as long as he is able to depict IG as an example of the gender-driven power-structure’s ability to victimise their female counterparts. IG thus becomes the definition of toxic masculinity; Bianca represents 1950s gender mores (vulnerable yet rapacious, passive yet a femme fatale); Malice’s femininity becomes the battleground on which Lupenis tilts his lance at the forces of oppression.
What he fails to comprehend is that there *are* absolute truths. (I hate postmodernism, by the way: it’s caused nothing but conflict, grief and collective superficiality*.) Truths that exist in physics and metaphysics, philosophy and, most pertinently, in the Law. Bleating about an apparent ‘lack of context’ (which speaks to an internal contradiction: if truth is entirely subjective, why does it need context to substantiate it?), he writes off official court documents, ignoring the fact that should IG have lied within those evidentiary pages, he could and would be imprisoned. Perjury is a real thing and is not treated lightly or glibly by justice systems around the world. Simultaneously, and hypocritically, he accepts Malice’s ‘evidence’ and ‘truth’ at face value.
All this goes to prove that he considers women, personified in Malice, as naturally weaker and in need of male protection. His internal logic is so inconsistent that it is surprising he can dress himself in the morning. If we therefore summarise Lupenis’s position: postmodernism = deconstruction of white, male, Western-dominated ideas and hegemonies. Incorporating feminism, he states that Malice’s evidence-free ‘truth’ is the literal truth because she says so and, as a victim, she is being persecuted by those masculine hegemonies. But then, swiftly skipping over feminism, he renders Malice weak and helpless in order to White Knight for her.
It must be overwhelmingly awful to live a logic- and evidence-free life.

(*Did I mention that I hate postmodernism?
Sorry for this pretty verbose analysis: Oh-for-God’s-Sake (kitten) woke me at four by killing my micellar cleansing water + cottonwool pads. Then knocked a steep pile of books on to the floor and thought it was immensely funny to jump all over them and me. Naughty little blighter.)
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Brilliant, absolutely brilliant! (I too by the way hate postmodernism (and dont even get me started on Kurt Vonnegut! 😂))
Ps I strongly recommend ikea rats for Oh-for-gods-sake, or something similar - they love carrying them around to such extent that might get distracted from jumping on you at small hours of the morning :)
 
ZipSilver said:
“Emotionally I was nowhere near ready to be in that courtroom”

It’s a lie cos that’s not why she didn’t attend, but this tweet makes her look pathetic. Does she think victims are emotionally ready to attend court and face their abusers? Does she think assault victims get to wait until they’ve had therapy and time to get to a place where they’re ‘ready to be in court’? No. They go because it’s important that justice is served. Alice has been so wrapped in cotton wool her entire life she actually thinks this is reasonable to say. She’s never had to do anything remotely uncomfortable in her life.
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She was setting up pap shots at Trader Joes (with a box of Rose to ensure maximum interest from the DM - and then a follow up staged video to prove there was no wine in there) and I'm pretty sure that was on the day of the hearing , 2 Aug.
So all this I was an emotional wreck is utter bullshit and just a subtype of Alice's go to excuse "I was sick/the kids are sick/Gloria is sick" excuse.
We ALL see through you Alice and so will the judge.
 
NarcRage said:
She was setting up pap shots at Trader Joes (with a box of Rose to ensure maximum interest from the DM - and then a follow up staged video to prove there was no wine in there) and I'm pretty sure that was on the day of the hearing , 2 Aug.
So all this I was an emotional wreck is utter bullshit and just a subtype of Alice's go to excuse "I was sick/the kids are sick/Gloria is sick" excuse.
We ALL see through you Alice and so will the judge.
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Yup - she had her friend with her who could have attended court with her to support her. If you are emotionally well enough to go shopping and engage with paps in the wild you are emotionally ready enough to stand up for your rights in court, after all is she not a 'warrior', ready to fight injustice at every turn (albeit in a slovenly, erratic, inconsistent way while trying to tug her too tight lycra supersuit out of her buttcrack)?
 
Nixlondon said:
Yup - she had her friend with her who could have attended court with her to support her. If you are emotionally well enough to go shopping and engage with paps in the wild you are emotionally ready enough to stand up for your rights in court, after all is she not a 'warrior', ready to fight injustice at every turn (albeit in a slovenly, erratic, inconsistent way while trying to tug her too tight lycra supersuit out of her buttcrack)?
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Alice not being emotionally ready to attend court. What the actual duck. She is the aggressor not the victims. How many victims have no choice over when court dates are but they battle terribly in the name of justice.
It's along the same lines of people who don't go to visit family/friends who are in hospital - they say "oh I don't like hospitals"
Or those who don't go to family/friends funeral - they say "oh I just hate funerals"
I mean who does? But they make that effort because they are good people, who can put the desperate need of others before that relatively short amount of time of themselves.
Alice doesn't like confrontation - tell that lady in the car park that, her & many others (more than 10 I'd guess)
Also of note Alice was ok with standing out, front & centre in the Harvey situation.
Bullshit Alice - complete bullshit!
 
AstaLaVistaMista said:
There is no way that L&D have done a complete 360 so quickly without it being planned. To be so obsessed with support of Alice, hate of Ioan & B and hate of everyone that slightly questioned Alice. They sat there all this time seeing Alice's own contradicting tweets, joined in with the abuse and knew Ioan had made a big offer which Alice refused. They knew she was lying and still supported her 100%. As soon as the tide is changing for Alice and things don't look good, they do a complete 360 and fully support Ioan, let everyone know that Ioan & B have spoken to them and they are in contact, giving Alice a new defence of Ioan & B using her close friends to get info and troll her...Nope, they are still in the same contact with Alice, nothings changed in the background and as usual Alice gave them her little instructions...Good one
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Georgie883 said:
Completely agree and we are seeing the results of it in A’s tweets. All planned and that’s why the other twitter lot should not engage with the FM’s in any of it, it’s giving Alice what she wants. All this ‘Ioan know’s we have been a victim of Alice’s abuse’ rubbish is just to give the impression and receipts that they are somehow in a dialogue with I or B. It’s their grand master plan from the smartest person on the planet IMO.
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I dont really disagree with either of you, I think it has a decent chance to be true. Personally though I do think there are genuine aspects to it

They visible started to be more reasonable earlier this year, around the time of the TRO (and seemingly according to what D said when Alice told them that Ioan actually offered good money), and Alice dumped them in the summer due to that more reasonanle approach, and only now they approached Ioan (with a apology, not a pact to bring Alice down like she and her lover portray it). I dont feel like the process is too sudden and for a evil master plan too excessive in the time it requires (for a person like Alice who lives from short-term plans especially). It's both in line for Narcs like Alcie and for blue tick chasers like them.

Now, however, I am very certain that they are very willing to scout out information in order to get back into Alice's good books (they clearly want to, the wording in every tweet gives it away), given that they were clearly still in contact recently there may have been talks about it too. And Alice's tweets about them seem so fake shocked/outraged (you can tell when Alice is genuinely scared or not), of course it could be just coping from her side because she knows she is fucked (hence the hilariously bad attempt at spinning Ioan accepting a apology for people abusing him as him approving of people abusing her LMAO), that we dont know.

However, what is certainly true is that Ioan should keep firmly away from them. They are just as bad influence as Alice was. And I'd worry for his judgement that after everything what happened he isnt seeing that (I'm sure Alice loves this, because it shows her that she can get back into his good books). You can accept apologies but if he said this whole "you are also victims of Alice's abuse" thing he is nuts: As stupid as Alice's fans are. almost none of them was as nasty as Lin was and plenty of her supporters kept the abuse towards Ioan at a moderate level. No one makes you do anything, it's up to you to decide what's the decent thing to do.

tilly27 said:
Alice not being emotionally ready to attend court. What the actual duck. She is the aggressor not the victims. How many victims have no choice over when court dates are but they battle terribly in the name of justice.
It's along the same lines of people who don't go to visit family/friends who are in hospital - they say "oh I don't like hospitals"
Or those who don't go to family/friends funeral - they say "oh I just hate funerals"
I mean who does? But they make that effort because they are good people, who can put the desperate need of others before that relatively short amount of time of themselves.
Alice doesn't like confrontation - tell that lady in the car park that, her & many others (more than 10 I'd guess)
Also of note Alice was ok with standing out, front & centre in the Harvey situation.
Bullshit Alice - complete bullshit!
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the funny thing is that the RO hearing was postponed twice, once mutually, once by Alice alone. It eventually happened 5 months later than the original hearing. When exactly was this chick going to be ready?

Victims of domestic violence (and Alice is on the other side of this coin anyway) btw dont get any opportunity to postpone dates, they have to stick to the date the court gives (unless the other party agrees to postpone, which fortunately usually happens because they need more time to get lawyers and prepare a case), and that is usually just 3-4 weeks after the assault happened. Now, Alice, THAT is traumatic.



Lulugrace said:
It's cos they luv us 😉
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One thing that consistently amazes me is how everyone (Alice, D&L, Alice's stans, some Anti-Alice accounts) constantly claim that we are jealous of them. Seriously, why the hell should anyone be? I'm so important (LOL) that Alice put a bounty on me and called me the dumbest person, I also know that many people originally got suspicious of Alice because of my first post here, I was also the one who found out about Ioan & Bianca first, yet I dont claim for any of this that everyone is jealous of me, why the hell should anyone be? This whole internet BS is really nothing to be jealous about.
 
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Autisteuse said:
At this point I really do hope she loses custody. She’s an emotional vampire who is feasting off those girl’s demonstrations of affection.
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The reality is she will never lose custody. She may not be a good mother, but unless she is physically beating them, physically neglecting them and can be proven to be completely incapacitated on a daily basis via drugs/alchohol she won't lose custody. She has not been accused of abusing her children by Ioan or by the courts. Unfortunately, being a lazy, denigrating, nasty piece of tit and abusive to your ex is not grounds to remove children from their parent. I do wish that this was not constantly posited as a possibility. Even with severe parental alienation the California courts rarely remove the child from the alienating parent as it would cause trauma for the child and is not in the best interests of the child - instead the courts focus on re-unification therapy - and the likelihood of this working while the alienation continues is limited. Alice is in those children's lives for 50% of the time (or more if he leaves LA for work) regardless. Unfortunately the damage is done and the realistic prospects are they will make overtures to their Dad once they have left home, have some distance and can see what their mother has done. Until then, I am sorry to say, their relationship with Ioan (and Bianca) is likely to remain rocky. Ioan may in fact be forced to go no contact with one or more of them.
 
Driving the kids to therapy....I can imagine her doing this for the following reason:

Narcs think they can win people over if only that person has the privilege and opportunity of meeting the narc in person.

Alice will be desperate to get the therapist on her side.

We know she thinks that she has an amazing personality which wins people over immediately.

So trying to meet the therapist in person is par for the course I think.

It's a sign to me that therapy isn't going the way she wants it to go. She wants to manipulate the therapist and thinks she can only work her ample charms in person.
 
Nixlondon said:
The reality is she will never lose custody. She may not be a good mother, but unless she is physically beating them, physically neglecting them and can be proven to be completely incapacitated on a daily basis via drugs/alchohol she won't lose custody. She has not been accused of abusing her children by Ioan or by the courts. Unfortunately, being a lazy, denigrating, nasty piece of tit and abusive to your ex is not grounds to remove children from their parent. I do wish that this was not constantly posited as a possibility. Even with severe parental alienation the California courts rarely remove the child from the alienating parent as it would cause trauma for the child and is not in the best interests of the child - instead the courts focus on re-unification therapy - and the likelihood of this working while the alienation continues is limited. Alice is in those children's lives for 50% of the time (or more if he leaves LA for work) regardless. Unfortunately the damage is done and the realistic prospects are they will make overtures to their Dad once they have left home, have some distance and can see what their mother has done. Until then, I am sorry to say, their relationship with Ioan (and Bianca) is likely to remain rocky. Ioan may in fact be forced to go no contact with one or more of them.
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If courts recognise that co-parenting doesnt work the alienating parent does get the kids removed in many cases, I believe this is the case in 20 % of all cases where alienation and refusal to cooperate is recognised. In fact in California (or LA rather) specifically this may be even the only way to lose custody, because they often turn a blind eye on physically abusive parents/alcoholics if they get a nanny to be around all day to take care of the kids (Alice's strategy basically).

I personally believe that Alice will try to make reunification hell until Ella turns 14 (9 months to go), and threaten her with something, so that she asks the judge to not force her any longer to have contact with Ioan (which could be still rejected btw, and given the situation it probably will). She recently alluded to the kids getting closer and having great convos, so this will likely reduce the time Elsie wants to spend with Ioan too (although judging from afar I dont think that Elsie will ever cut off contact from Ioan even if Alice threatens her, she seems more resilent). Again, I think that's her plan, but I dont think that it will work.
 
"However, what is certainly true is that Ioan should keep firmly away from them. They are just as bad influence as Alice was. And I'd worry for his judgement that after everything what happened he isnt seeing that (I'm sure Alice loves this, because it shows her that she can get back into his good books). You can accept apologies but if he said this whole "you are also victims of Alice's abuse" thing he is nuts: As stupid as Alice's fans are. almost none of them was as nasty as Lin was and plenty of her supporters kept the abuse towards Ioan at a moderate level. No one makes you do anything, it's up to you to decide what's the decent thing to do."

A lot of abuse was not directed at IG and BW - just bitching about them without 'at-ing' them. But Lin was directing it at both of them and using the #ioangruffudd too. Here is but a small selection of her greatest hits on IG and BW. BW is a dog abuser who will go on to abuse his kids [!!!] and a 'braying ass GF' according to Lin. IG is a hack actor who will make his kids homeless to give BW the high life. She hopes his roles flop and he will not have anyone 'strong' promoting him like her. lol

You couldn't make this tit up. The webmistress of his former fansite April was a class act (who AE had fired by IG) and she gets replaced by these nasty fuckwits??
 

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welp said:
I dont really disagree with either of you, I think it has a decent chance to be true. Personally though I do think there are genuine aspects to it

They visible started to be more reasonable earlier this year, around the time of the TRO (and seemingly according to what D said when Alice told them that Ioan actually offered good money), and Alice dumped them in the summer due to that more reasonanle approach, and only now they approached Ioan (with a apology, not a pact to bring Alice down like she and her lover portray it). I dont feel like the process is too sudden and for a evil master plan too excessive in the time it requires (for a person like Alice who lives from short-term plans especially). It's both in line for Narcs like Alcie and for blue tick chasers like them.

Now, however, I am very certain that they are very willing to scout out information in order to get back into Alice's good books (they clearly want to, the wording in every tweet gives it away), given that they were clearly still in contact recently there may have been talks about it too. And Alice's tweets about them seem so fake shocked/outraged (you can tell when Alice is genuinely scared or not), of course it could be just coping from her side because she knows she is fucked (hence the hilariously bad attempt at spinning Ioan accepting a apology for people abusing him as him approving of people abusing her LMAO), that we dont know.

However, what is certainly true is that Ioan should keep firmly away from them. They are just as bad influence as Alice was. And I'd worry for his judgement that after everything what happened he isnt seeing that (I'm sure Alice loves this, because it shows her that she can get back into his good books). You can accept apologies but if he said this whole "you are also victims of Alice's abuse" thing he is nuts: As stupid as Alice's fans are. almost none of them was as nasty as Lin was and plenty of her supporters kept the abuse towards Ioan at a moderate level. No one makes you do anything, it's up to you to decide what's the decent thing to do.
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Yeah, you could be right there. Honestly though they’re all bonkers so i’m still thinking on the lines of it’s all planned, if Alice has receipts then she has something to take to her lawyer to ‘prove’ she is been persecuted by I&G using trolls to hound her. The fact that it can’t be proven either way unless they forensically went through IG/ Bee’s pc’s, phones etc..(which obviously they wouldn’t waste time nor money doing this) so it becomes a ‘he said she said’ sort of thing? I just wouldn't put it past them.

Completely agree that Ioan should stay away from all of this madness!


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One thing that consistently amazes me is how everyone (Alice, D&L, Alice's stans, some Anti-Alice accounts) constantly claim that we are jealous of them. Seriously, why the hell should anyone be? I'm so important (LOL) that Alice put a bounty on me and called me the dumbest person, I also know that many people originally got suspicious of Alice because of my first post here, I was also the one who found out about Ioan & Bianca first, yet I dont claim for any of this that everyone is jealous of me, why the hell should anyone be? This whole internet BS is really nothing to be jealous about.
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One thing that always amazes me is the fact that the FM’s have trouble comprehending how a gossip site works. You’d think the amount of time they spend lurking on here they would have grasped the basics of how gossiping works by now, but no, seemingly they are utterly flabbergasted at our musings (and brilliant detective work) 🤷🏻‍♀️😂
 
Autisteuse said:
And, given what we know about the state of the Gruffudd marriage from 2016 onwards, the girls would have seen the contempt, disrespect and verbal violence Alice displayed towards IG and internalised it. (A point that many people don’t seem to have considered is that the girls would have learnt, following Malice’s example, that browbeating, insults and even physical violence - as documented in the DVRO papers - is normal in relationships. Children used to domestic violence often go on to have relationships with predators and abusers when they are older, because they are *used* to abusive behaviours. The girls need counselling not only over the last two years’ shitstorm, but the alcoholism and verbal/emotional violence and manipulation Malice subjected IG to.) At this point I really do hope she loses custody. She’s an emotional vampire who is feasting off those girl’s demonstrations of affection.
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I agree so hard I want to hug you. This type of tit STICKS through the course of one’s life—it does NOT magically dissipate and usually requires some pretty intensive therapy and cautious introspection/evaluation of inner belief and values and behavioral tendencies in any relationships they form.

Lately I’ve been examining my “daddy issues,” and they’re finally noticeable to me and very bad. I’d recently been getting close with a man seven years older than me; I’m attracted to older men, particularly 5-10 years older. When I get into arguments with him I behave childishly—not tantrums or whining but crying easily and hiding myself away and awaiting “fatherly” consolation. I LIKE being bossed around; he’s a wonderful person, the softest soul, but like everyone else he has a fuse, and when he gives me firm instruction after I’ve annoyed him, it feels so warmly familiar to me; in certain situations, and in the weirdest of ways, it’s a turn-on, being told what to do, being handled verbally roughly.

This is a REALLY vulnerable post because I’m afraid some are going to read this and be like, “Oh that’s weird maybe you’re subconsciously in love with your abuser-father???” I feel like a broken being when it comes to intimate interpersonal situations. I still haven’t fully dissected these feelings, and I plan to talk to my therapist about them a little bit tonight. But it’s so apparent to me now how my father’s abuse—the fear, the resentment, the CPTSD, etc.—how it all lends itself to the ways in which I engage with men, specifically. (I’m bisexual, but I don’t feel this way towards women.) It’s a MESS of trauma that only at age twenty-nine I am FINALLY understanding is problematic.

As you said, my Autisteuse, those girls need help. They need it badly and they need it NOW. Their relationship problems may not mirror mine, sure, but the abuse that went on in that household will absolutely impact the ways in which they feel it’s appropriate to engage with others. It’s all internalized toxicity. It’s hard to disrupt. And it’s hard to even NOTICE. And I don’t want them to be almost thirty years old like me and suddenly realize that something is wrong. One of the most difficult things my only-BRIEF-boyfriend ever said to me as I cried was, “God, (my name), you’re just so fucked up. I don’t know what to do. You’re just so fucked up.” I don’t want either of those children to ever feel that crushing hurt.
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Sorry for rambling about sad/weird stuff. If it’ll make you smile a little: I was so unprepared for one of my final projects that when I got up in front of the class I broke down crying like a nine-year-old, and so my professor pulled me aside and was like, “You don’t have to do it.” I wasn’t trying to be manipulative at all but you should have seen how fuckin relieved I looked. Three finals to go, then. ✨
 
Georgie883 said:
Yeah, you could be right there. Honestly though they’re all bonkers so i’m still thinking on the lines of it’s all planned, if Alice has receipts then she has something to take to her lawyer to ‘prove’ she is been persecuted by I&G using trolls to hound her. The fact that it can’t be proven either way unless they forensically went through IG/ Bee’s pc’s, phones etc..(which obviously they wouldn’t waste time nor money doing this) so it becomes a ‘he said she said’ sort of thing? I just wouldn't put it past them.

Completely agree that Ioan should stay away from all of this madness!
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This wouldnt be a he said/she said tbh, Ioan could just deliver the actual messages and prove that he did nothing. If Alice is any smart she wouldnt even try to open that can of worms because in terms of communicating with trolls that abuse the other party and trying to gather private information of them she is the worldwide #1

I mean Alice (and Loopy) spun out of the fact that Ioan is grateful for his fans (for his career!) that he approves of the "abuse" Alice gets. This is all online theatrics (Alice's own court room) rather than for the actual court, though I can imagine Alice trying to convince her lawyer to use it, but just like Leon they will want to save their reputation lol
 
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