Ioan Gruffudd & Alice Evans #102 See you next Tuesday, the premiere of 102 Damnations

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ReturningthePearls said:
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I’m starting to get really bleeping triggered over her implications that domestic abuse victims confronting physical violence are the only people deserving of taking legal action against their abusers.

My father has physically harmed me, sure, but he has verbally abused me for 15 years, and I’ll go so far as to say that—in my personal situation—the latter caused more damage to me than the former. It has been proven already that verbal violence can inflict the same degree of psychological harm as physical violence.

She’s REALLY out here disparaging and delegitimizing the trauma of verbal abuse victims, simply because she doesn’t think that “upsetting people” (with some of the WORST verbal abuse I have EVER witnessed) is much of a big deal. Alice, you bleep, you didn’t merely “upset” them. You DEGRADED them. You DEVALUED them. And you FRIGHTENED them. Don’t downplay the damage of your emotional instability to illustrate yourself as some kind of victim in this. Don’t minimize the impact of the harm you’ve committed.

I just need to get this off of my chest as it has been battering me for weeks: she has BPD. She has NPD for goddamn SURE, but she has BPD. It’s untreated. She’s not receiving help. THIS is what untreated BPD can turn into at its worst. I’m positive now. Again, the narcissism is the main player, please don’t mix them up, but THIS degree of emotional dis-regulation is BPD-associated. I’m a Borderline. I know when I’ve found an (untreated) Borderline. You memorize the symptoms and you understand them because you’ve lived it.

I’m just begging—please don’t respond to this post with tales of your BPD mother or sister-in-law or nephew. It’s just extremely uncomfortable, devaluing, and triggering for me to read in this space; witnessing it in Alice is triggering and upsetting enough. I don’t mean to kickstart a BPD discussion at ALL, as I feel it’ll spiral into talking about how terrible Borderlines are, which is awful because there are Borderlines in here. I’m just offering, as someone who should have the right to say it based on lived experience as opposed to witnessing it secondhand: she has BPD. Or at least BPD traits paired with the primary personality disorder of narcissism. I’m sure of it now.

She’s about to fly off the rails.
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I'm going to be honest I just want to say you're an inspiration and amazing. I have BPD traits I don't have diagnosed BPD they said complex PTSD and endogenous depression.There's a big debate about diagnosis I think my psych gave me mine because I was 17 so too young to have a DX. My mother does have untreated BPD but I decided I didn't want to go down that path. I've had lots of therapy and workbooks i have to self analyse my emotions all the time to make sure I'm not affecting others. It's sometimes hard to gauge whether a reaction is appropriate. I have let people treat me like tit because I don't want to be "crazy" it's a very difficult journey.

I just want to say how insightful and self aware you are. You are doing so well in your recovery and the stigma sucks for people who are in treatment and doing their best !

XXX
 
ReturningthePearls said:
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I’m starting to get really bleeping triggered over her implications that domestic abuse victims confronting physical violence are the only people deserving of taking legal action against their abusers.

My father has physically harmed me, sure, but he has verbally abused me for 15 years, and I’ll go so far as to say that—in my personal situation—the latter caused more damage to me than the former. It has been proven already that verbal violence can inflict the same degree of psychological harm as physical violence.

She’s REALLY out here disparaging and delegitimizing the trauma of verbal abuse victims, simply because she doesn’t think that “upsetting people” (with some of the WORST verbal abuse I have EVER witnessed) is much of a big deal. Alice, you bleep, you didn’t merely “upset” them. You DEGRADED them. You DEVALUED them. And you FRIGHTENED them. Don’t downplay the damage of your emotional instability to illustrate yourself as some kind of victim in this. Don’t minimize the impact of the harm you’ve committed.

I just need to get this off of my chest as it has been battering me for weeks: she has BPD. She has NPD for goddamn SURE, but she has BPD. It’s untreated. She’s not receiving help. THIS is what untreated BPD can turn into at its worst. I’m positive now. Again, the narcissism is the main player, please don’t mix them up, but THIS degree of emotional dis-regulation is BPD-associated. I’m a Borderline. I know when I’ve found an (untreated) Borderline. You memorize the symptoms and you understand them because you’ve lived it.

I’m just begging—please don’t respond to this post with tales of your BPD mother or sister-in-law or nephew. It’s just extremely uncomfortable, devaluing, and triggering for me to read in this space; witnessing it in Alice is triggering and upsetting enough. I don’t mean to kickstart a BPD discussion at ALL, as I feel it’ll spiral into talking about how terrible Borderlines are, which is awful because there are Borderlines in here. I’m just offering, as someone who should have the right to say it based on lived experience as opposed to witnessing it secondhand: she has BPD. Or at least BPD traits paired with the primary personality disorder of narcissism. I’m sure of it now.

She’s about to fly off the rails.
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Thank you for the insight into Alice’s problems. 🌼
 
she will never let him go

Alice sees everything as a fight, that's why she is using SM and the press. Ioan just wants to live his life: that's why he endured all this BS until it was just impossible and took legal action.
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Josephine Shaker said:
So is the hearing going ahead tomorrow yes or no? (Sorry I’m trying to catch up and sort out a sick child)!
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According to Alice it seems like it, there is also nothing to the contrary filed

neither is it filed btw that either party attends remotely so far (though can still change)
 
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welp said:
i btw find it interesting, reading the TRO, that at no point she mentions that Ioan has failed to take care of his responsibility (whether during the marriage or by leaving) to help with her fibro issues, maybe she did and it was just not included, but neither did she say this in public until she found out about Bianca's MS.

Pre-Bianca her complains were
- money/status (in private)
- lack of good sex (both private and public)
- kids/home/school etc. (both private/public)
- emotional support because she has no family/friends (public) - this completely disappeared lol

She is a complete fraud
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Funny how she became the Queen of self-diagnosed diseases when BW went public about the MS.

As for her previous complaints - maybe the new boyfriend can provide all the things she didn't get enough of from IG. LOL
 
veevee04 said:
I'm going to be honest I just want to say you're an inspiration and amazing. I have BPD traits I don't have diagnosed BPD they said complex PTSD and endogenous depression.There's a big debate about diagnosis I think my psych gave me mine because I was 17 so too young to have a DX. My mother does have untreated BPD but I decided I didn't want to go down that path. I've had lots of therapy and workbooks i have to self analyse my emotions all the time to make sure I'm not affecting others. It's sometimes hard to gauge whether a reaction is appropriate. I have let people treat me like tit because I don't want to be "crazy" it's a very difficult journey.

I just want to say how insightful and self aware you are. You are doing so well in your recovery and the stigma sucks for people who are in treatment and doing their best !

XXX
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The difference between most people who have BPD and Alice, is that BPD may make people say and do things that are inappropriate, but
Alice is just nasty and spiteful. And she has a sense of self-worth that is far in excess of her achievements. She can't even be arsed to care for her oh-so-precious kids, she's lazy and entitled.
BPD may excuse some of her outbursts. But it doesn't excuse the way she treated her husband for so long.
 
veevee04 said:
I'm going to be honest I just want to say you're an inspiration and amazing. I have BPD traits I don't have diagnosed BPD they said complex PTSD and endogenous depression.There's a big debate about diagnosis I think my psych gave me mine because I was 17 so too young to have a DX. My mother does have untreated BPD but I decided I didn't want to go down that path. I've had lots of therapy and workbooks i have to self analyse my emotions all the time to make sure I'm not affecting others. It's sometimes hard to gauge whether a reaction is appropriate. I have let people treat me like tit because I don't want to be "crazy" it's a very difficult journey.

I just want to say how insightful and self aware you are. You are doing so well in your recovery and the stigma sucks for people who are in treatment and doing their best !

XXX
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Oh my God, you are so incredibly kind. Thank you. 💚 I can’t tell you how hard it is for me to notice my progress. It’s that thing where you just focus too much on what you have to work on so you don’t realize if you’ve been doing well. It drives me mad! And it makes me sad because I’m so hard on myself. Really, thank you. I’m very grateful to know that I am doing well and haven’t upset people (or that I can apologize when I do—something I could never do before). You’re the best. ❤❤❤

“I've had lots of therapy and workbooks i have to self analyse my emotions all the time to make sure I'm not affecting others.”

I am so proud of you for this. You’re studying so hard, and honestly I have only ever thought very highly of you so your hard work is definitely paying off in the world! Yes, it’s so difficult to have to supervise yourself and your behavior and even take tit from people so they don’t say, “There goes the Borderline again 🙄” Ugh, I hate it. But you’re pulling through and I can’t express how happy that makes me. ❤❤❤

klarakluckbag said:
The difference between most people who have BPD and Alice, is that BPD may make people say and do things that are inappropriate, but
Alice is just nasty and spiteful. And she has a sense of self-worth that is far in excess of her achievements. She can't even be arsed to care for her oh-so-precious kids, she's lazy and entitled.
BPD may excuse some of her outbursts. But it doesn't excuse the way she treated her husband for so long.
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Imo BPD doesn’t excuse anything. If someone has BPD it’s their responsibility to work on themself, just like with any other mental illness, you know?

There’s a thing quite a few Borderlines say: “I’m not responsible for my diagnosis but I’m responsible for how I manage it.” It actually applies to any mental illness, when you think about it.

If I’m right and she has BPD, I still don’t excuse her for a thing. She has enough money for DBT/CBT. She certainly has enough money for workbooks like veevee and I use. She can fix herself up; she just chooses not to, and that perpetuates the stigma that we’re all crazy. It’s awful.

BTW, if by saying that BPD “excuses” her you really mean that BPD explains her behavior, I apologize for the above^ Please pardon me, haha, I thought you meant “excuse” as in “justifies” her actions!

Anyway I’m sorry for running my mouth about more BPD things I just wanted to thank veevee and say the above. Shutting up now…
 
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StoneMountain said:
Hey, Turds, please be aware that although the court time is stated as 0830am (PST) for IG's PRO hearing against mAlice this doesn't mean that their case will actually be heard at that time on this day. The court probably has a full docket/schedule of cases to be reviewed but this case will go before the judge on this day. Hopefully it will be heard sometime in the morning.

@Mad Betty - can hopefully give us an approximate hearing time soon after the court opens as to when the PRO hearing is on the schedule.

@M33L4 - special thanks to you for posting the DV/DA (like the new look) & clock links.

So make sure you have plenty of snacks and drinks.

ETA: spelling
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I’m ready for it, just hoping Alice is not going to pull some last minute stunt.
 
Bridgeofsighs said:
I would love it if she showed up wearing her wedding dress. Scratch that, she can't fit into now. She will still have a face like thunder though.
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Oh me too, me too. Along with the crazy makeup. Oh, and the same man walking her down the “aisle”. That would just be perfect. I suspect it might be too much for Mad Betty though, who would combust there and then.
 
Ok, I am so far behind and on catch-up on previous thread. Just had to post this...

Alice is saying she has a boyfriend



And my reaction to all the rest of the bull crap she as been spouting up to that point



AllDogsGoToHeaven said:
Anyone suspect she might rock up with the story "I've sacked my lawyer, he was shut, so I need an extension to prepare/bring up to speed a new lawyer" ?

It's a default setting in narcissistic exes, in my experience 🙄
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Just realised my spelling mistake in my hasty post on my way out to the physio

BIB should read "tit" 😜🤣
 
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