Gender Discussion #69

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Just seen a video shared on IG of a woman saying that feminists have deliberately never defined what a woman is to allow people to be who they are instead of limiting them to stay in one category. UMMMM maybe some ‘feminists’ haven’t defined what a woman is but science has! It’s basic biology what a woman is! And the majority of those actually limiting women and saying what they are is the bloody drag and TiM communities!
 
If the IOC cared about women, and this issue at all then they would have listened when Semenya & Co. started winning medals, and put a stop to it; instead of farting around with lowering T levels, and “oh you can be in this race, but not that race”…

eta: and maybe have considered if Joanna Harper was an unbiased expert.
 
JAR21 said:
But how difficult is it for the IOC have rules that prevent paedos and murderers, for example, being selected for the Olympic Games? It's just as easy as saying all female competitors need an swab test.
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Maybe if a person gets convicted and serves their sentence then it's tricky legally for the IOC to intervene in a national team's selection? I doubt there's anything in the rule book that gives them the right to object to an athlete based on previous convictions. Obviously this crime is particularly disgusting but I doubt there's anything specific in the rule book. He should never have been selected by the Dutch - it was much easier to exclude him at that stage. It would be a massive and badly needed PR win for the Olympics if they did exclude him though.

I actually think a team would be less likely to select a murderer than a paedophile and that's a sad indictment of where we are as a society.
 
HoGi said:
I'm sick of the amount of posts on SM I am seeing about the Algerian boxer having a womb and cervix etc. No they don't!!! It's infuriating.
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Well they might, but we actually don't know for certain and because the IOC hasn't done their due diligence there is every chance that they don't!

We also have enough information to question this persons biological sex and we shouldn't be vilified for questioning it because it's putting women at risk.
 
I'm seeing lots saying the Hungry woman is likely gonna do the same and can cry in the corner with the Italian as two white women
But it's okay the next one is from Turkey and will fight.

What's up with white English 'lefties' having a pop at other white people, I truly believe all these leftie are fine with rape at women they disagree with, I'm gonna lose my cool, sadly will just get me banned
 
IdeletedbutI'mbackagain said:
Well they might, but we actually don't know for certain and because the IOC hasn't done their due diligence there is every chance that they don't!

We also have enough information to question this persons biological sex and we shouldn't be vilified for questioning it because it's putting women at risk.
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True. I posted quickly out of rage.

I have seen many posts that say "she can birth a child". When I sincerely doubt is true.
 
HoGi said:
True. I posted quickly out of rage.

I have seen many posts that say "she can birth a child". When I sincerely doubt is true.
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I have been there! It's rage inducing seeing male violence against women being justified and the poor victim (the Italian woman) being absolutely demonised and derided for just not being a good enough boxer, being weak, being dramatic and worst of all being "unkind" 😱.
 
appleskin said:
I'm seeing lots saying the Hungry woman is likely gonna do the same and can cry in the corner with the Italian as two white women
But it's okay the next one is from Turkey and will fight.

What's up with white English 'lefties' having a pop at other white people, I truly believe all these leftie are fine with rape at women they disagree with, I'm gonna lose my cool, sadly will just get me banned
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Good god, sweeping generalisation or what?
I’m a “white English lefty”. How dare you insinuate I would be fine with the rape of women I disagree with?
 
Em_gardener said:
Maybe if a person gets convicted and serves their sentence then it's tricky legally for the IOC to intervene in a national team's selection? I doubt there's anything in the rule book that gives them the right to object to an athlete based on previous convictions. Obviously this crime is particularly disgusting but I doubt there's anything specific in the rule book. He should never have been selected by the Dutch - it was much easier to exclude him at that stage. It would be a massive and badly needed PR win for the Olympics if they did exclude him though.

I actually think a team would be less likely to select a murderer than a paedophile and that's a sad indictment of where we are as a society.
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I’m not aware of any law, international or otherwise, that states you can’t discriminate against a convicted child rapist. It was referred to the IOC ethics committee who could have excluded him. Instead they put in ‘safeguards’ because the crime was 10 years ago (he should still be in prison imo) and they believe he’s rehabilitated. This is the ‘ethical’ decision they have taken.

What has the International Olympic Committee said about it?

A spokesman for the International Olympic Committee (IOC) deferred to the Dutch and reiterated what national officials have said about extra safeguards in place.

"Not to excuse it in any way but this took place, I think, 10 years ago and I think, as a general rule I think we need to allow for the possibility of rehabilitation," Mark Adams said at the IOC's news conference on the day of van de Velde's debut.
 
Tofino said:
I’m not aware of any law, international or otherwise, that states you can’t discriminate against a convicted child rapist. It was referred to the IOC ethics committee who could have excluded him. Instead they put in ‘safeguards’ because the crime was 10 years ago (he should still be in prison imo) and they believe he’s rehabilitated. This is the ‘ethical’ decision they have taken.

What has the International Olympic Committee said about it?

A spokesman for the International Olympic Committee (IOC) deferred to the Dutch and reiterated what national officials have said about extra safeguards in place.

"Not to excuse it in any way but this took place, I think, 10 years ago and I think, as a general rule I think we need to allow for the possibility of rehabilitation," Mark Adams said at the IOC's news conference on the day of van de Velde's debut.
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Mark Adams is a piece of tit!
 
Tofino said:
I’m not aware of any law, international or otherwise, that states you can’t discriminate against a convicted child rapist. It was referred to the IOC ethics committee who could have excluded him. Instead they put in ‘safeguards’ because the crime was 10 years ago (he should still be in prison imo) and they believe he’s rehabilitated. This is the ‘ethical’ decision they have taken.

What has the International Olympic Committee said about it?

A spokesman for the International Olympic Committee (IOC) deferred to the Dutch and reiterated what national officials have said about extra safeguards in place.

"Not to excuse it in any way but this took place, I think, 10 years ago and I think, as a general rule I think we need to allow for the possibility of rehabilitation," Mark Adams said at the IOC's news conference on the day of van de Velde's debut.
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Obviously there isn't a law that specifically prohibits it in that detail. I meant that they would be leaving themselves open to a legal challenge for excluding him. I didn't know that it was referred to an ethics committee - that was a missed opportunity for the IOC to exclude him. I do still think that the Dutch team bear most the fault. They should have shut it down before he even got that far. The Dutch public can't be happy to have him representing them internationally.
 
Miss Begotten said:
Good god, sweeping generalisation or what?
I’m a “white English lefty”. How dare you insinuate I would be fine with the rape of women I disagree with?
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On another forum I visit that is 99% of the userbase so sure it's sweeping but it was to that particular group, they do this sort of thing toward other white English people they disagree with - they're referring to others being white. I doubt they're actually lefty for their nastiness
 
My husband texted me this today. He is very very into sport. An interesting perspective I thought.

"One thing I think also is that boxing is a sport built on immense reserves of pride and self-belief. It is very frightening to be punched. Being knocked out or forced out of a fight early is humiliating and degrading for boxers, saps their pride and self-belief and is often career ending. It can be incredibly destructive to a boxer to be forced into a mismatch in more ways than the immediate physical cost."
 
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The IOC give not a single tit about fairness or women.
 
Watching the head of the IOC (with two bottles of Coca Cola on the table in front of him - mustn’t upset the sponsors) saying that if you’ve been raised as a woman and have a passport that says woman then you’re a woman and if anyone has any better scientific ways of determining who women are he’s all ears was a totally surreal start to my weekend.
 
VeniVidiVicki said:
Watching the head of the IOC (with two bottles of Coca Cola on the table in front of him - mustn’t upset the sponsors) saying that if you’ve been raised as a woman and have a passport that says woman then you’re a woman and if anyone has any better scientific ways of determining who women are he’s all ears was a totally surreal start to my weekend.
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Someone should ask him

Q1) therefore, if he was to be emasculated, would that then immediately make him:
A) a woman
Or
B) a man without a penis and ballsack
?

Q2) How many hoops does a person need to go through to change their gender on their passport?
 
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