Ex Slimming World Disordered Eating Recovery #2 Underestimating Our Desire To Eat Pasta

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ChubClubThug said:
It's because desperate people will look for desperate measures. You don't get to be like 20 stone without being addicted to food and having an eating disorder of some kind.

Slimming world and their "image therapy" are trying to cure people with deep, psychological issues around food. If you tell someone with binge eating disorder that they can lose weight while stuffing their face, it's obviously very attractive to them. But it won't work long term. This is why so many people end up with an even worse issue than what they may have started with at the end of their time with slimming world. It will mask the problem for a short while, but then it goes horribly wrong and all comes crashing down. So the cycle of binge/restrict starts again.

Very very few people have a weight problem because they're just greedy. It's a mental health issue often tied in with other mental health problems. And this is why Terry or Janice (or people like snares) shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a franchise that dishes out diet advice and arm chair psychology to slimmers. It's actually disgusting that slimming world are cashing in on this and are not clinically regulated. There is no way obesity can be tackled with a blanket approach.

I agree that it's got much much worse since the internet exploded. Because they see others getting gifted all sorts so it becomes a competition. But sw encourage this because it makes THEM money. I also think it depends on the consultant you get. Out of about 20 I can only think of 2 who were actually any good at it and knew what they were talking about. The whole business needs investigating!
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This!

I will be fully honest and completely open to being judged but I have struggled my whole life with food issues/weight.
I started binge eating at the age of 6. Sneaking food. Finding all the ways I could of eating without being seen.

Food consumes my every waking moment. I think about it as soon as I open my eyes to the moment I go to sleep. My next meal or whatever.
If I think about a certain food item, it is near impossible to stop myself if that item is in the house. If I don't allow myself to eat it, I will sit thinking about it to the point I can't even focus on other people talking ect.

It isn't just a case of not wanting to lose weight or just eating.
It's much more than that! It consumes my thought 24/7. I don't know what it's like to not think about food.
The guilt I feel after eating is awful.
Especially if I feel full.
Even if I'm full from a salad, my brain still feels huge guilt which is what also led me to being bulliemic. Because I just struggle to deal with the guilt.
 
WhatABore said:
This!

I will be fully honest and completely open to being judged but I have struggled my whole life with food issues/weight.
I started binge eating at the age of 6. Sneaking food. Finding all the ways I could of eating without being seen.

Food consumes my every waking moment. I think about it as soon as I open my eyes to the moment I go to sleep. My next meal or whatever.
If I think about a certain food item, it is near impossible to stop myself if that item is in the house. If I don't allow myself to eat it, I will sit thinking about it to the point I can't even focus on other people talking ect.

It isn't just a case of not wanting to lose weight or just eating.
It's much more than that! It consumes my thought 24/7. I don't know what it's like to not think about food.
The guilt I feel after eating is awful.
Especially if I feel full.
Even if I'm full from a salad, my brain still feels huge guilt which is what also led me to being bulliemic. Because I just struggle to deal with the guilt.
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Food for some lights up their brain like sex, alcohol, drugs, porn etc will for others. It's an emotional crutch for many. It's just so complicated. The worst thing you can do to an addict is put focus on something (in this case food) and make up all these complicated rules (Hex A, B etc) in order to get it. The guilt you feel is the root of the problem. You probably ate something as a child that you were chastised for, and it triggered it. It doesn't even need to be traumatic, anything can start someone off. I do feel for you because you need food to live. You can cut off other substances. It is really hard to find a balance
 
ChubClubThug said:
Food for some lights up their brain like sex, alcohol, drugs, porn etc will for others. It's an emotional crutch for many. It's just so complicated. The worst thing you can do to an addict is put focus on something (in this case food) and make up all these complicated rules (Hex A, B etc) in order to get it. The guilt you feel is the root of the problem. You probably ate something as a child that you were chastised for, and it triggered it. It doesn't even need to be traumatic, anything can start someone off. I do feel for you because you need food to live. You can cut off other substances. It is really hard to find a balance
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My Mum used to buy me food, I'd come home from school to big bags of crisps and chocolate on my bed, from the age of 8 or so and then be told off for eating them and then shouted at when I gained weight each week as she used to weigh me every single Monday.

Or if we asked for sweets/crisps/chocolate ect in the shop after school, in front of all my school friends she'd shout "FINE IF YOU WANT TO KEEP GETTING FATTER AND FATTER" right up to the age of 14 when I moved in with my Dad!
So it's very easy to see where the guilt feeling comes from!
 
ChubClubThug said:
Food for some lights up their brain like sex, alcohol, drugs, porn etc will for others. It's an emotional crutch for many. It's just so complicated. The worst thing you can do to an addict is put focus on something (in this case food) and make up all these complicated rules (Hex A, B etc) in order to get it. The guilt you feel is the root of the problem. You probably ate something as a child that you were chastised for, and it triggered it. It doesn't even need to be traumatic, anything can start someone off. I do feel for you because you need food to live. You can cut off other substances. It is really hard to find a balance
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I love what you write as it’s so true and your last post was a great point too.

A lot of these people do need some form of counselling or therapy to help them get to root cause of the problem. When speaking with colleagues from from my NHS days a lot of them don’t want to engage with the support services.

My work friend had bariatric surgery, she never had one consultation with a therapist about her disordered eating, she had the surgery and regained her pre surgery weight within two years plus additional weight. Thankfully she did seek help and has lost a lot of weight again by being nutritionally and calorie aware.
 
rubyred66 said:
I love what you write as it’s so true and your last post was a great point too.

A lot of these people do need some form of counselling or therapy to help them get to root cause of the problem. When speaking with colleagues from from my NHS days a lot of them don’t want to engage with the support services.

My work friend had bariatric surgery, she never had one consultation with a therapist about her disordered eating, she had the surgery and regained her pre surgery weight within two years plus additional weight. Thankfully she did seek help and has lost a lot of weight again by being nutritionally and calorie aware.
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Problem is, it's so hard to get any counselling ect for it. As most doctors don't see it as a real issue.
I tried to go for help and was told "Well you're not a kid any more. Just stop eating"
Left the appointment in tears and have never been back since.
 
WhatABore said:
Problem is, it's so hard to get any counselling ect for it. As most doctors don't see it as a real issue.
I tried to go for help and was told "Well you're not a kid any more. Just stop eating"
Left the appointment in tears and have never been back since.
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This is what the NHS should be investing in - mental health weight related issues, not lining the pockets of bloody Madge Miles!
 
threeSMEGfridges said:
its a tricky one though becuAse without teaching children what is healthy and what is not and how to moderate sugar andsalt and fat you endup with obese children addicted to junk food
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Teaching them that certain foods are bad does nothing other than creating eating disorders 🙃

I fully believe that the freedom to not worry about food at a young age is what stops over eating and being addicted to junk food.
From personal experience.
Otherwise you end up with awful relationships with food and that's where the issue is.

Do I know how to moderate sugar and fat and fully understand calories and all that? Yes. Do I understand what is healthy? Yes.
Am I still overweight?
Yes.
 
ChubClubThug said:
This is what the NHS should be investing in - mental health weight related issues, not lining the pockets of bloody Madge Miles!
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I couldn’t have put that statement better myself, slimming world teaches disordered eating. In retrospect now, all the NHS is doing is removing people from the bariatric teams books to the mental health teams books. It’s an absolute farce!
 
threeSMEGfridges said:
Anyone still struggling with the “1 hex B” mindset and bread is basically the devil 👿

I want to feel comfortable having cereal at breakfast and a homemade sandwich at lunch if I want to!
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I came from the red and green era of slimming world, I actually liked that concept, it was simple and it worked. Extra Easy I found restrictive and tiresome.
 
threeSMEGfridges said:
Anyone still struggling with the “1 hex B” mindset and bread is basically the devil 👿

I want to feel comfortable having cereal at breakfast and a homemade sandwich at lunch if I want to!
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And 30g cheese it still rings in my head. One thing though is i eat fullfat cheese now and only what i need be it 40g or 5g. Bread though, arghhhh i can't eat white anymore i just feel so guilty. Slimming world is a nightmare
 
Mab1994 said:
And 30g cheese it still rings in my head. One thing though is i eat fullfat cheese now and only what i need be it 40g or 5g. Bread though, arghhhh i can't eat white anymore i just feel so guilty. Slimming world is a nightmare
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I still have bread guilt after all these years. I understand exactly where you’re coming from. When doing slimming world I remember a Christmas party where I only had a soup starter, no bread, I missed out on nice food and a free bar and I felt miserable the entire evening and left really early.
 
threeSMEGfridges said:
Anyone still struggling with the “1 hex B” mindset and bread is basically the devil 👿

I want to feel comfortable having cereal at breakfast and a homemade sandwich at lunch if I want to!
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Literally had this mind set and I didn't even do slimming world. My mother was always on and off growing up and pushed these mindsets and slimming world food on us. It took me years to feel comfortable eating bread and cereal in the same day but I got there- you will too. Start by trying it out once and realising nothing bad has happened. I eat cereal and bread even multiple times a day now and am one of the 'healthiest' I have ever been. I do still struggle with the 30g of cheese and not eating full fat cheese but something I am working on atm!
 
rubyred66 said:
I still have bread guilt after all these years. I understand exactly where you’re coming from. When doing slimming world I remember a Christmas party where I only had a soup starter, no bread, I missed out on nice food and a free bar and I felt miserable the entire evening and left really early.
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This is so sad looking back now, i used to dodge every single social event. I will never forgive slimming world for this mess.
 
Mab1994 said:
This is so sad looking back now, i used to dodge every single social event. I will never forgive slimming world for this mess.
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I worked for the NHS in the mental health services, I should have known better but we all used to join slimming world, typically after Christmas. The NHS would refer people to slimmingworld which looking back now is crazy. No the wonder eating disorders are on the rise and the NHS is overwhelmed with bariatric referrals.
 
threeSMEGfridges said:
Anyone still struggling with the “1 hex B” mindset and bread is basically the devil 👿

I want to feel comfortable having cereal at breakfast and a homemade sandwich at lunch if I want to!
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I did for years....then switched to eating white bread and still lost weight...which cured the issue overnight.

I do still weigh oats to 40g still like its a magic number though
 
rubyred66 said:
I worked for the NHS in the mental health services, I should have known better but we all used to join slimming world, typically after Christmas. The NHS would refer people to slimmingworld which looking back now is crazy. No the wonder eating disorders are on the rise and the NHS is overwhelmed with bariatric referrals.
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And they are still referring, they need to cancel that contract and give their heads a wobble
 
Mab1994 said:
And they are still referring, they need to cancel that contract and give their heads a wobble
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It's actually becoming a bit of a postcode lottery with SW referrals.

In some places there is council ran weightloss groups so if your area has one you'll be sent there. In my area they do.

Not being myself but do find it funny that someone trying to get free SW membership out of a GP (some people do that) and end up there instead is quite funny.
 
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