Eleanor Florence Lecocq #8 The Vlogmas M'Elletdown

Will this thread blow up before Vlogmas even begins?

  • Yes

    Votes: 20 27.4%
  • No

    Votes: 8 11.0%
  • Hell yes

    Votes: 45 61.6%

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I wonder if the kids she went to school with had more money compared to she did and if she was envious of that? She always seemed like a hoarder. Otherwise her tastes became more expensive when she started dating Chris.

Anyway, unlike the men in her life, material goods will never leave her and will always make her feel good about herself.
 
I wonder if the kids she went to school with had more money compared to she did and if she was envious of that? She always seemed like a hoarder. Otherwise her tastes became more expensive when she started dating Chris.

Anyway, unlike the men in her life, material goods will never leave her and will always make her feel good about herself.
I get that impression as well! Remember all the snarky comments she made about mean girls who were carrying Coach wristlets? With all due respect to Ginette, those aren’t exactly expensive and Ginette doesn’t strike me as the type to enforce boundaries (budgeting and not spending money on anything designer) with her daughter, so I can’t imagine her not buying them for Smelle if she could. I’m sure a lot of people will comment on how G’s house sold for 3 million dollars or something a few years back but given how much the Canadian housing market has blown up over the years and how early Ginette purchased her place, that place may have been very affordable when she made her purchase (especially given it directly faces a parking lot which most people will hate). Ginette may have simply contributed a lot to Elle’s high school education (her university education in the UK was very affordable given EU citizenship via G) and day to day expenses, but didn’t have a lot of extra cash to purchase “frivolous” stuff like designer foods.

She was hauling Walmart candles, Michael Kors, and Rebecca Minkoff before Chris.
 
I get that impression as well! Remember all the snarky comments she made about mean girls who were carrying Coach wristlets? With all due respect to Ginette, those aren’t exactly expensive and Ginette doesn’t strike me as the type to enforce boundaries (budgeting and not spending money on anything designer) with her daughter, so I can’t imagine her not buying them for Smelle if she could. I’m sure a lot of people will comment on how G’s house sold for 3 million dollars or something a few years back but given how much the Canadian housing market has blown up over the years and how early Ginette purchased her place, that place may have been very affordable when she made her purchase (especially given it directly faces a parking lot which most people will hate). Ginette may have simply contributed a lot to Elle’s high school education (her university education in the UK was very affordable given EU citizenship via G) and day to day expenses, but didn’t have a lot of extra cash to purchase “frivolous” stuff like designer foods.

She was hauling Walmart candles, Michael Kors, and Rebecca Minkoff before Chris.
I agree, Elle seemed aware of luxury goods but otherwise led a very normal, middle/upper-middle class life. I suppose if she had actual friends in grade/high school she wouldn’t feel the need to “compete” with her past and prove that she could live that supposed lifestyle she thought the mean girls led. Personally I was aware of classmates in my school who had designer goods but I never grew up envying them or actively disliking them the way Elle did/does. I never even liked designer goods until after college!

I also agree with your assessment of Ginette’s former home. My grandparents have a home in the heart of San Francisco. At the time they bought it, it wasn’t worth any money (actually it was located in a very run down area as they were lower middle class)...it’s now worth much, much more than they bought it for, which is now causing drama within my own family 🙄.
 
I agree, Elle seemed aware of luxury goods but otherwise led a very normal, middle/upper-middle class life. I suppose if she had actual friends in grade/high school she wouldn’t feel the need to “compete” with her past and prove that she could live that supposed lifestyle she thought the mean girls led. Personally I was aware of classmates in my school who had designer goods but I never grew up envying them or actively disliking them the way Elle did/does. I never even liked designer goods until after college!

I also agree with your assessment of Ginette’s former home. My grandparents have a home in the heart of San Francisco. At the time they bought it, it wasn’t worth any money (actually it was located in a very run down area as they were lower middle class)...it’s now worth much, much more than they bought it for, which is now causing drama within my own family 🙄.
So sorry to hear that about your family! Money brings out the worst in people sometimes, unfortunately. Case in point, Eleonore F. Lecocq and her grubby hands on Chris and Joe's income. Probably also applies to her latest Seattle victim unless he's Rick 2.0. :ROFLMAO:
 
So sorry to hear that about your family! Money brings out the worst in people sometimes, unfortunately. Case in point, Eleonore F. Lecocq and her grubby hands on Chris and Joe's income. Probably also applies to her latest Seattle victim unless he's Rick 2.0. :ROFLMAO:
Nah, it’s ok. This drama is typical, believe it or not. 😂😂 There is a huge reason why my dad chose to raise us far, far away from them. I really wasn’t surprised when this erupted. I appreciate your thoughts, though. 😊

I am almost certain Elle wouldn’t entertain dating a man with the same income as Rick again (we all knew she hated that lifestyle), but it would be great if this new guy matched in personality. 🤣😂
 
Elle is crazy. Even if Joe were made partner (most lawyers don't), he's salary would be around $300,000. That's hardly enough to: buy a house in Vancouver, pay for private school, pay for living expenses, save for retirement and fund Elle's lazy lifestyle. His parents are upper middle class but he has 2 brothers so I doubt he'll get a huge inheritance.

And how do we know that rich men don't want to marry a rich girl? Why would they settle for someone like Elle? A lot of wealthy guys I know say that they want to marry rich too. So...
 
Nah, it’s ok. This drama is typical, believe it or not. 😂😂 There is a huge reason why my dad chose to raise us far, far away from them. I really wasn’t surprised when this erupted. I appreciate your thoughts, though. 😊

I am almost certain Elle wouldn’t entertain dating a man with the same income as Rick again (we all knew she hated that lifestyle), but it would be great if this new guy matched in personality. 🤣😂
I completely understand. I have a truly insane aunt and cousins on one side of my family as well and we definitely avoid them as much as possible. Come to think of it, she kind of reminds me of Smelle! Delusional, demanding, and a complete refusal to take personal accountability for anything that happens (unless of course, it's something good...then she gets all the credit!).

Elle definitely had more in common with Rick than she ever did with Joe or Chris. I think Rickety Rickets is right up her alley and she needs to clip towards him again when Mr.fivehead from Seattle inevitably dumps her like Chris, Joe, SS, Dean, and possible Rick. :ROFLMAO:
 
And now the final chapter of Annotated Elle - Girlboss Breakup re-watching.

Sunday
When last we saw our hero she was marveling about how the dress she was trying on was 'sparkly' and suddenly, the video makes a direct cut to Elle sitting on an ottoman in front of her blue couch. She's got pounds of makeup on, but its making things worse. She looks like she's been through hell; pale and gaunt yet covered in paint. Like Pierrot in a sleeveless white sweater. Not a whole lot of resemblance to the beaming, happy girl who was trying on dresses just a few frames ago. She looks like she's been crying for days. We already know why by the title of this video.

I'm going to take a slightly different format in recapping this section. I am going to roughly transcribe some Elle lines from the speech and offer commentary after each one.

"I think the last time I vlogged was at the CIBC Party on Thursday and I never ended the vlog because my life took a big turn"

Understatement of the century.

"I was expecting to have dinner with Joe and end the vlog and say 'goodbye, thank you for watching' like I usually do for all my vlogs but, um, I had a big shock that Joe decided to leave"

Whoever made the comment that Elle can't read the room is so right. You can see in Elle's face that she never saw any of this coming.

"So I go home and his suitcases were packed and he wanted to end the relationship (pauses a beat, averts eyes) and has ended it. (brief look of relief at having said it)."

A scene worthy of the first ten minutes of a Hallmark Christmas movie.

"What I am deciding to do by filming this is just to sort of rip off the band aid and just be honest with you right away"

She learned her lesson about doing that I suppose. Maybe that's why we got a long, drawn out spell of Unw'Elle at the end of Rick instead of any band aid ripping.

"Today is Sunday, and Joe left on Thursday and has confirmed that he does not want to work on things and does not want to try again or anything like that"

I can only imagine the pleading, bargaining, promises and eventually tantrums which must have sprang forth from Elle in a desperate attempt to stop him from ending the relationship. And I am just talking about while he was standing there with his suitcases. It must have been some show if she pleaded with him over the phone and email even more between Thursday and Sunday. 'Try again' is a really loaded statement. Has Elle has ever acknowledged that she wasn't a good at something and would not repeat her past mistakes if given a 'do over'? Joe knew better. Most people can't change just like that.

"So there's not point in trying to draw this out and such and I feel like being cagey about things would just cause me more stress and anxiety"

Elle was caught in a trap of her own making. She had shared so much of her home life that when everything about it suddenly changed, there was no chance of her going on and pretending nothing was wrong. Her princess façade was completely gone, and yeah, I bet that was a major source of stress and anxiety.

"And, you guys are my friends, and so I'm going to be honest with you however weird or awful that may be."

Unlike when her engagement imploded and Rick was the one to tell all her 'friends'.

"I am still very much in shock. I was not expecting this at all. I did not know that he was unhappy I did not know that he had any thoughts of ending the relationship at all and I think you guys will see that and know that from the footage before this."

This is why she made the entire vlog. She is so unable to read the room that she must figure everyone would watch it and be just as shocked as she was that Joe left her. Meanwhile in almost every recap day posted we saw scenes where Joe was pretty obviously done with her.

"I'm probably going to be in our place for another few weeks. Joe has given notice to the landlords that he is moving out and I have decided that I will not be staying here on my own. It would just be too painful, I think."

I think this is one of those Elle moments where she clings to that bit of truth in her statement. Context suggests the memories of Joe would be too painful. She loves that apartment. She dragged a giant enlarged photo of the view from it to the four different places she has lived since she moved out. Most likely it would be too painful for Elle and Ginette to write that big of a rent check every month. That’s probably the reason she is moving out, but it’s still painful and her statement is true at face value. I think if her mom was willing to take on the whole rent for that place she would have been fine eventually moving some other high-earning man into it with her.

"In the past sometimes breakups have led to a lot of creativity and growth for me. Its hard for me to see this one that way because it was sort of imposed on me rather than chosen by me as something that I wanted."

I don't think we know anything about Elle's breakups prior to Joe. I think Chris kicked her out and she pleaded with him for a while to take her back, so that one doesn't seem like 'something that she wanted' either. Are we really to believe that before Chris, Elle left a long line of brokenhearted men in her wake after dumping them?

"I think I am still going to try and make the best of it and create good content for you guys and grow my businesses and work on myself."

Two out of three ain't bad, right? I will say she started making some pretty awesome content as she circled the drain in the couple years after this breakup. She pushed her side hustles hard to her Karens. Working on herself? Maybe we misunderstood and she meant 'having more work done on myself'.

"Sometimes you only know your own perception and not the other person's"

And sometimes you can be so selfish you don't even see the other people you have positioned in your life to serve you.

"I know you guys will be curious behind his reasons to leave but, ultimately, you don't really know much less than I do. I am to some extent just finding out with you."

Insane statement. Even more insane that it could be true. When random people on the internet know about as much as you do about the feelings of your live-in boyfriend of 18 months, there’s a good chance you're a big part of the problem in that relationship.

"I thought that we were good and happy and yeah we talked about getting more serious rather than less."

I bet Elle talked about 'getting more serious' and Joe didn't say enough to pop her bubble. Also this is Elle. I can't picture her talking about getting serious being about love or feelings, but rather what her ring should look like, where it should come from, and at minimum, what it should cost.

"I really enjoyed the times we vlogged our relationship...it turns out that Joe didn't really enjoy that and it was one of the things he was unhappy about that I didn't know."

I bet Joe gave her a half-dozen good reasons why he was leaving her. Notice the only one she opts to include in her vlog is a relatively minor annoyance, but happens to be one that isn't directly her being selfish, greedy or tone-deaf. I can't imagine someone leaving their live-in partner of a year and a half based on that reason alone. They would ask them to leave them out of the videos and that's that.

"Ultimately it turns out that I can't help it because he didn't really enjoy those things that I did, I just didn't know it."

Read the room.

"I don't think anything’s going to change on his side. He's been pretty (big swallow, looks away) firm . . . about it."

Girlboss is not a fan of firm. Not when it comes to not getting something she wants.

"My mom actually came back into town to help me and be there for me. I kind of have her support in editing this and putting it up."

That’s awesome that someone was there to help her. It's actually pretty considerate of Joe to purposely time the breakup so that her mom would be in town because he knew that's straight where Elle would run. What's not awesome is how unhealthy their codependent relationship must be. You can just imagine her mom helping her edit the footage from the days prior. The Ginette in my head just rubs Elle’s shoulders as she sobs. 'Oh Mon Cheri, look! Joe is so happy you could have never known! This is his fault' Elle still can't read the room.

"Thank you so much for, I guess, being a part of the journey of my life good or bad and this just is what it is right now and I'm going to work on getting it to be the best it can be."

She didn't know it then, but it turns out 'the best it can be' would be dedicating her 30th birthday party to a celebration of country music and barbeque (things I haven’t heard her mention liking since) to please a man she had been dating for a couple of months. A man who would be gone before the end of January. It would be leaving her job, city, really everything about her life behind because another man who she barely knew was willing to marry her in a swampy suburb in Florida. I guess that’s why we all watch. It's certainly not for the ponte pants.

Shopping total for the day: $0
Running total for the Vlog: $1253
 
And now the final chapter of Annotated Elle - Girlboss Breakup re-watching.

Sunday
When last we saw our hero she was marveling about how the dress she was trying on was 'sparkly' and suddenly, the video makes a direct cut to Elle sitting on an ottoman in front of her blue couch. She's got pounds of makeup on, but its making things worse. She looks like she's been through hell; pale and gaunt yet covered in paint. Like Pierrot in a sleeveless white sweater. Not a whole lot of resemblance to the beaming, happy girl who was trying on dresses just a few frames ago. She looks like she's been crying for days. We already know why by the title of this video.

I'm going to take a slightly different format in recapping this section. I am going to roughly transcribe some Elle lines from the speech and offer commentary after each one.

"I think the last time I vlogged was at the CIBC Party on Thursday and I never ended the vlog because my life took a big turn"

Understatement of the century.

"I was expecting to have dinner with Joe and end the vlog and say 'goodbye, thank you for watching' like I usually do for all my vlogs but, um, I had a big shock that Joe decided to leave"

Whoever made the comment that Elle can't read the room is so right. You can see in Elle's face that she never saw any of this coming.

"So I go home and his suitcases were packed and he wanted to end the relationship (pauses a beat, averts eyes) and has ended it. (brief look of relief at having said it)."

A scene worthy of the first ten minutes of a Hallmark Christmas movie.

"What I am deciding to do by filming this is just to sort of rip off the band aid and just be honest with you right away"

She learned her lesson about doing that I suppose. Maybe that's why we got a long, drawn out spell of Unw'Elle at the end of Rick instead of any band aid ripping.

"Today is Sunday, and Joe left on Thursday and has confirmed that he does not want to work on things and does not want to try again or anything like that"

I can only imagine the pleading, bargaining, promises and eventually tantrums which must have sprang forth from Elle in a desperate attempt to stop him from ending the relationship. And I am just talking about while he was standing there with his suitcases. It must have been some show if she pleaded with him over the phone and email even more between Thursday and Sunday. 'Try again' is a really loaded statement. Has Elle has ever acknowledged that she wasn't a good at something and would not repeat her past mistakes if given a 'do over'? Joe knew better. Most people can't change just like that.

"So there's not point in trying to draw this out and such and I feel like being cagey about things would just cause me more stress and anxiety"

Elle was caught in a trap of her own making. She had shared so much of her home life that when everything about it suddenly changed, there was no chance of her going on and pretending nothing was wrong. Her princess façade was completely gone, and yeah, I bet that was a major source of stress and anxiety.

"And, you guys are my friends, and so I'm going to be honest with you however weird or awful that may be."

Unlike when her engagement imploded and Rick was the one to tell all her 'friends'.

"I am still very much in shock. I was not expecting this at all. I did not know that he was unhappy I did not know that he had any thoughts of ending the relationship at all and I think you guys will see that and know that from the footage before this."

This is why she made the entire vlog. She is so unable to read the room that she must figure everyone would watch it and be just as shocked as she was that Joe left her. Meanwhile in almost every recap day posted we saw scenes where Joe was pretty obviously done with her.

"I'm probably going to be in our place for another few weeks. Joe has given notice to the landlords that he is moving out and I have decided that I will not be staying here on my own. It would just be too painful, I think."

I think this is one of those Elle moments where she clings to that bit of truth in her statement. Context suggests the memories of Joe would be too painful. She loves that apartment. She dragged a giant enlarged photo of the view from it to the four different places she has lived since she moved out. Most likely it would be too painful for Elle and Ginette to write that big of a rent check every month. That’s probably the reason she is moving out, but it’s still painful and her statement is true at face value. I think if her mom was willing to take on the whole rent for that place she would have been fine eventually moving some other high-earning man into it with her.

"In the past sometimes breakups have led to a lot of creativity and growth for me. Its hard for me to see this one that way because it was sort of imposed on me rather than chosen by me as something that I wanted."

I don't think we know anything about Elle's breakups prior to Joe. I think Chris kicked her out and she pleaded with him for a while to take her back, so that one doesn't seem like 'something that she wanted' either. Are we really to believe that before Chris, Elle left a long line of brokenhearted men in her wake after dumping them?

"I think I am still going to try and make the best of it and create good content for you guys and grow my businesses and work on myself."

Two out of three ain't bad, right? I will say she started making some pretty awesome content as she circled the drain in the couple years after this breakup. She pushed her side hustles hard to her Karens. Working on herself? Maybe we misunderstood and she meant 'having more work done on myself'.

"Sometimes you only know your own perception and not the other person's"

And sometimes you can be so selfish you don't even see the other people you have positioned in your life to serve you.

"I know you guys will be curious behind his reasons to leave but, ultimately, you don't really know much less than I do. I am to some extent just finding out with you."

Insane statement. Even more insane that it could be true. When random people on the internet know about as much as you do about the feelings of your live-in boyfriend of 18 months, there’s a good chance you're a big part of the problem in that relationship.

"I thought that we were good and happy and yeah we talked about getting more serious rather than less."

I bet Elle talked about 'getting more serious' and Joe didn't say enough to pop her bubble. Also this is Elle. I can't picture her talking about getting serious being about love or feelings, but rather what her ring should look like, where it should come from, and at minimum, what it should cost.

"I really enjoyed the times we vlogged our relationship...it turns out that Joe didn't really enjoy that and it was one of the things he was unhappy about that I didn't know."

I bet Joe gave her a half-dozen good reasons why he was leaving her. Notice the only one she opts to include in her vlog is a relatively minor annoyance, but happens to be one that isn't directly her being selfish, greedy or tone-deaf. I can't imagine someone leaving their live-in partner of a year and a half based on that reason alone. They would ask them to leave them out of the videos and that's that.

"Ultimately it turns out that I can't help it because he didn't really enjoy those things that I did, I just didn't know it."

Read the room.

"I don't think anything’s going to change on his side. He's been pretty (big swallow, looks away) firm . . . about it."

Girlboss is not a fan of firm. Not when it comes to not getting something she wants.

"My mom actually came back into town to help me and be there for me. I kind of have her support in editing this and putting it up."

That’s awesome that someone was there to help her. It's actually pretty considerate of Joe to purposely time the breakup so that her mom would be in town because he knew that's straight where Elle would run. What's not awesome is how unhealthy their codependent relationship must be. You can just imagine her mom helping her edit the footage from the days prior. The Ginette in my head just rubs Elle’s shoulders as she sobs. 'Oh Mon Cheri, look! Joe is so happy you could have never known! This is his fault' Elle still can't read the room.

"Thank you so much for, I guess, being a part of the journey of my life good or bad and this just is what it is right now and I'm going to work on getting it to be the best it can be."

She didn't know it then, but it turns out 'the best it can be' would be dedicating her 30th birthday party to a celebration of country music and barbeque (things I haven’t heard her mention liking since) to please a man she had been dating for a couple of months. A man who would be gone before the end of January. It would be leaving her job, city, really everything about her life behind because another man who she barely knew was willing to marry her in a swampy suburb in Florida. I guess that’s why we all watch. It's certainly not for the ponte pants.

Shopping total for the day: $0
Running total for the Vlog: $1253
To to clarify the Chris point, she admitted in her empty apartment tour video that she was staying in a furnished place for a few months after he kicked her out of his loft to see if things might change with Chris (aka him taking her back) so she was definitely dumped there.

Thank you for this amazing summary - this is pure GOLD (Edit: as @thecatlass has already mentioned. Great minds think alike 😉). 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
 
BTW, I just wanted to add that at #dumpedboss T-1, Smelle didn't really honour her Italian heritage with that joke of a carbonara that she made. Green peas, white wine, and parmesan are NOT what you make carbonara with. You make it with eggs, pancetta/ guanciale, and pecorino. If you insist on drenching the dish in white wine and peas, stop calling it carbonara.
 
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Nah, it’s ok. This drama is typical, believe it or not. 😂😂 There is a huge reason why my dad chose to raise us far, far away from them. I really wasn’t surprised when this erupted. I appreciate your thoughts, though. 😊

I am almost certain Elle wouldn’t entertain dating a man with the same income as Rick again (we all knew she hated that lifestyle), but it would be great if this new guy matched in personality. 🤣😂

I feel you on that! My grandma died nearly three years ago now and she had some retirement savings left over, but it wasn't anything crazy, but my insane aunt is convinced my dad and the other three siblings all got 2 million dollars each and that she got shafted:ROFLMAO: (shes still throwing a fit over it). She was also under the delusion that all the grandkids except her kids got 100k each :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: (my brother and I got nothing so not sure where this idea came from) my grandma didn't even have anywhere near a million saved.

Seriously inheritance makes people insane. Even one of my BFFs from highschool has had family drama over her grandparents house that is old, tiny, and in a bad area and hasn't been updated in 60+ years (and her mom was one of like 8 or 9 kids?). I can't imagine the drama a house in an expensive city actually worth something would cause.
 
This vlog wasn't the first one where she called viewers 'her friends'. Do you guys also find it weird? Does Smelle think all those Karens who first praised Rickets for being smart and handsome but then called him horrible after #divorcemas, are her actual friends? How can you be friends with someone that you issue content at but never take interest in them?

Or maybe that's what friendship is to her... Being worshipped with a minimal effort on her part.
 
This vlog wasn't the first one where she called viewers 'her friends'. Do you guys also find it weird? Does Smelle think all those Karens who first praised Rickets for being smart and handsome but then called him horrible after #divorcemas, are her actual friends? How can you be friends with someone that you issue content at but never take interest in them?

Or maybe that's what friendship is to her... Being worshipped with a minimal effort on her part.
I think you just summed up Eleanor Lecocq’s expectations for all relationships (familial, platonic, and romantic) in one sentence. 😆
 
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